2020 Garage Sale Thread

[Private Lugnutz]

On the Woodworker's Vise sub-thread...

Not to insinuate my father as the font of originality, but his vises sat flush, and he did not use permanent jaw faces. Ask me how I know? One of my brothers' and my chores was cleaning up his shop. Old school kind of dad, we think he thought this was a sort of apprenticeship. It included putting things back where they belonged, including stray tools, screws, etc (and stern talkings-to if something was misplaced) as well as, of course, sawdust duty. That included the various pieces of wood he would use when making cuts. He did not call them jaw faces, or pads or padding. He called them packing. As in packing out a workpiece. And they were generally old offcuts themselves. Alas, if these chores - especially the sawdust duty, achieved anything, it was in putting us off of wordworking forever. HAHA. It was the first time I came face to face, quite literally, with a brass tag bearing the words "WAR FINISH" though, on several of his surplus machines, which at the age of 9 or 10 or so invoked all kinds of fantastical stories about where they came from and why our dad had them in the basement! We knew he was a WWII vet, but like most WWII vets, he didn't talk about the war much. So we invented the rest.

 

[LesserSon]

Good one, Lugz.
These three are from Jeanne Taylor’s illustrations in her Child’s Book of Carpentry c1948. Like all illustrations, they are subject to the criticism that they are interpretive rather than documentarian.
The last is from Scott Landis’ Workbench Book c1987. It shows these two basic methods of setting up the type of vise we are discussing, and a couple variations. He does NOT show the variation of screwing through the static into the bench, neither for securing the pad, nor for additional support of the vise from the benchtop.
Emmert pattern-makers vises excepted, I believe the idea of inletting a metal vise to a benchtop edge is mostly driven by aesthetics, rather than pragmatism or practicality. Inletting is an opportunity to showcase craftsmanship, and contributes to clean, unbroken lines, harkening back to the days (alluded to by RTM) when a vise was made of wood integral to the bench itself. If you just bolt a vise onto the bench, it looks like you took the easy way. But this ignores the immense advantages gained by having it sit proud, when dealing with irregularities in the workpiece.

 

[LesserSon]

General Industrual Education 1979. America’s Handyman Book 1961. Wood: Materials and Processes 1975. Workbenches and Shop Furniture 1993. Hand Tools and Techniques 1999.

All show the vise proud. In the 1st pic, it is actually padded out from the benchtop edge with a block behind the static to increase the useful clearance.
Generally, photos of vises show them unmounted from benches, like they just came from the factory, or show them closed or in use with a workpiece clamped in them, both of which obscure how the static pad is attached. The last two pics just barely show a countersunk flat screwhead peeking around the open jaws.

My final word: it’s your bench, your vise. Make it work for you.

 

[RTM]

I was hoping to find 1900-1930 vintage images, but the work meetings won’t let me sneak down to the library anytime soon.

 

[LesserSon]

I know, right? It’s like, I have to take a sick day to get any work done!
A few weeks into COVID closures, a buddy of mine commented that with meetings cancelled, he was amazed at all the work he was able to catch up on. Not just the actual time spent in meetings, nor even yet the time commuting to meetings, but also the time spent prepping for the meeting, in case someone ambushes you with a pertinent question. MOST of some people’s days are filled arming themselves against the possibility of embarassment during a meeting.
It really makes you wonder, what do people think meetings accomplish?

 

[bmwrd0]

Not to wade into the GJ Vise Controversy of 2019*, but having the countersunk holes in the dynamic face gives one the option to mount and use the vise as one wants. So, having the holes give you the option of mounting wood to the face! In otherwords, there might not be one official way of mounting the vise, but endless possibilties.

*Oh, who am I fooling...

 

[madison069]

Hit the sale Saturday probably 1.5 hours after opening and picked up some Wiha metric nut drivers a Hilti rotary hammer drill in excellent working condition and a Stahlwille extension, not too bad for $37.

Yep, you ****. Then you got the bits for $5 more!

 

[txlonghorn1989]

What part of Virginia? Just wondering cause I live here and near a lot of farms. I’m in the Roanoke area very close to Bent Mountain.
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[RANT=ON]
First of all, this rant is not aimed at Blake. Per se. It's about just blatant disregard for efficiency when responding to comments. He used the quote option to reply to a post by BlueBomber which included all the pics that BB posted and all the text. It was completely unnecessary and a waste of GJ resources. I read GJ everyday. I enjoy that it's free of advertising. I'd like to see it stay that way. I don't know if Ryan has unlimited wealth such that he's unconcerned about such waste. I'd just ask folks to stop and consider for a moment whether they really need to use the quote option and when you do how much of the original comment do you need. You can actually edit between the HTML quote commands for brevity. Been bothering me for too long. Had to get it off my chest today. Thanks! Back to Garage Sale fun!
[RANT=OFF]

PS This probably wasn't the right place for this post but what the heck. It's one that I read just about every day.

PPS I'm not free of guilt on wasting resources by abusing the quote option. More than a few times I've used it without thinking. Sometimes I'll catch myself and correct it, sometimes not.

dkroth Love that drill index! I hope to find an old one someday! Congrats!

 

[gearhead1960]

[RANT=ON]I'm not free of guilt on wasting resources by abusing the quote option.

So noted......

 

[mikeinri]

Dkroth: I don't know if that drill index qualifies for suckage based on price, but just locating that thing is impressive!

Lugz, my head is spinning from all the debate on how to mount it, but that bench vise is extremely cool.

Mike

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

[RANT=ON]
First of all, this rant is not aimed at Blake. Per se. It's about just blatant disregard for efficiency when responding to comments. He used the quote option to reply to a post by BlueBomber which included all the pics that BB posted and all the text. It was completely unnecessary and a waste of GJ resources. I read GJ everyday. I enjoy that it's free of advertising. I'd like to see it stay that way. I don't know if Ryan has unlimited wealth such that he's unconcerned about such waste. I'd just ask folks to stop and consider for a moment whether they really need to use the quote option and when you do how much of the original comment do you need. You can actually edit between the HTML quote commands for brevity. Been bothering me for too long. Had to get it off my chest today. Thanks! Back to Garage Sale fun!
[RANT=OFF]

PS This probably wasn't the right place for this post but what the heck. It's one that I read just about every day.

PPS I'm not free of guilt on wasting resources by abusing the quote option. More than a few times I've used it without thinking. Sometimes I'll catch myself and correct it, sometimes not.

dkroth Love that drill index! I hope to find an old one someday! Congrats!

I don’t think you can quote just part comments but I don’t know.


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[TOTO]

Anything between the quotes

You just edit/delete anything between the

's that you don't need to include.

 

[shephd]

I like to pick but have a lot of my own **** so I have not pursued it much lately. Thought I would post a few things. I don't think you can have to many clamps and like to buy them cheap. These were are FB and 40 miles away for several days. Took a chance and asked if the seller could bring them my way. Turned out he could.

3 green handle IDEAL: 2 600, 1 500
5 pony 1/2” pipe clamp heads
2 craftsman pipe clamps
3 rockler hand screw clamps
Mitre clamp
6-7 clothes pin clamps
5 pony f clamps
One Bessey f clamp
$60

 

[BlakeTheCarGuy]

You just edit/delete anything between the

's that you don't need to include.

Oh ok interesting I didn’t know that


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[Private Lugnutz]

I don't know if Ryan has unlimited wealth such that he's unconcerned about such waste. I'd just ask folks to stop and consider for a moment whether they really need to use the quote option and when you do how much of the original comment do you need.

I don't know about bandwidth or storage, but my gripe with un-whittled quote replies, especially those that repeat everything, including all the photos and all the texts, just to say "Congrats" or something like that, is that it takes up a whole page you have to scroll through just to get to a new post. They all look the same, again and again and again, and it becomes hard to navigate. Also, I generally tend to start skipping them getting to the next new original post. So, if it's not something innocuous, like "Congrats", I'm probably missing it.

But I would like to point out that Tex stuck his neck out first.

 

[LesserSon]

As long as we’re getting down and dirty with quotes...

my head is spinning from all the debate on how to mount it...

Oh, dear...is it wrong that in my head I’m considering The Kama Sutra of Vices as a potential book title? (British title, obviously)

See, that’s how to edit a quote. You can also just type and boldface the username of whomever you want the post directed toward. (God, I love ending sentences with prepositions! It’s so liberating! F-U, Latin-derived proscriptive grammar!)
I don’t use the app and I have notifications turned off...DOES quoting a post automatically alert the OP?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Lugz,...[ ]...that bench vise is extremely cool.

Thanks!

 

[LesserSon]

Nice! You ****!

And that’s why we need the option to quote.
(I see what you did there, Lugz. If I could delete this post, I would.)
Since I can’t, here is a drawing I made when I was five years old. (My mother is cleaning out her attic.) Kind of reminds me of a joke:
“A bear, a rabbit and a fox were waiting in line at an estate sale run by an elephant...”
I forget the rest; anyone know it?

 

[bmwrd0]

Oh, dear...is it wrong that in my head I’m considering The Kama Sutra of Vices as a potential book title? (British title, obviously)

Heh, back in my used book days, I once picked up The Irish Joy of ***. It was just blank pages...

Oh, and the answer to the joke is "so, how much for the trunk?"

 

[dkroth]

Dkroth: I don't know if that drill index qualifies for suckage based on price, but just locating that thing is impressive!

$2.

After brushing it off I realized it's made of zinc or some similar non-ferrous metal. The eye is steel and I assumed the rest was cast iron. Nope.







.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

(I see what you did there, Lugz.

With a lifetime of professional, technical, MLA based writing and critiques (and don't ever let anyone tell your children or grandchildren that engineers don't write!) behind me, I can say that there is no more important tool in the kit than the ellipsis, square brackets, and another ellipsis!

“A bear, a rabbit and a fox were waiting in line at an estate sale run by an elephant...”
I forget the rest; anyone know it?

Yes, I think I do.

The bear says, “Do you have any ratchets………………………………………….or sockets?

The elephant says, “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.”

“How about double open………………………………......or double box end wrenches?”

The elephant again says, “Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.”

“Well, what about clamps or………………………….......vises? Any woodworking vises?”

“Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,” says the elephant again, even more prehensilely. Then he adds: “If you don’t mind me asking, though, what’s with the big pause?”

“I don’t know,” said the bear. “I’ve always had them. As long as you bring it up, what's with the long no’s?”

The fox, apparently disguised as a raccoon, suddenly produces a mouse from his pocket, causing a distraction. In the ensuing hysteria, the fox sneaks into the house before the sale officially opens, buying a WWII jerry can, an Eagle anvil, a Craftsman Speed Ratchet with Butterfly Selector, a Wilton Baby Bullet and Powrarm, a P&C 4-Way Lug Wrench, and a real live unicorn - all for $1 - from Mrs. Elephant.

Meanwhile, the rabbit, unbeknownst to anyone, calmly hopped off with some antique jewelry – it was pure 24-carrot gold, but not before leaving behind some little round turds in the driveway.*

*You have to be a long-timer to get that!

 

[Outlawmws]

Meanwhile, the rabbit, unbeknownst to anyone, calmly hopped off with some antique jewelry – it was pure 24-carrot gold, but not before leaving behind some little round turds in the driveway.*

*You have to be a long-timer to get that!

 

[mikeinri]

$2.

After brushing it off I realized it's made of zinc or some similar non-ferrous metal. The eye is steel and I assumed the rest was cast iron. Nope.

OK, that confirms it: YOU ****!!!

MIKE

 

[mikeinri]

...here is a drawing I made when I was five years old. (My mother is cleaning out her attic.) Kind of reminds me of a joke:
“A bear, a rabbit and a fox were waiting in line at an estate sale run by an elephant...”
I forget the rest; anyone know it?

That, combined with the rest of the explanation from Lugz, confirms that you were looking decades into the future at age FIVLuiz,

Got any stock tips you'd like to share???

Mike

 

[BlueBomber]

...but not before leaving behind some little round turds in the driveway.*

*You have to be a long-timer to get that!

I haven't seen any posts from JakeMac in a while. I hope he and his nephew are doing okay...

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[bmwrd0]

Dang, I had totally forgetten that incident.

 

[Smokeshow69]

[RANT=ON]
First of all, this rant is not aimed at Blake. Per se. It's about just blatant disregard for efficiency when responding to comments. He used the quote option to reply to a post by BlueBomber which included all the pics that BB posted and all the text. It was completely unnecessary and a waste of GJ resources. I read GJ everyday. I enjoy that it's free of advertising. I'd like to see it stay that way. I don't know if Ryan has unlimited wealth such that he's unconcerned about such waste. I'd just ask folks to stop and consider for a moment whether they really need to use the quote option and when you do how much of the original comment do you need. You can actually edit between the HTML quote commands for brevity. Been bothering me for too long. Had to get it off my chest today. Thanks! Back to Garage Sale fun!
[RANT=OFF]

PS This probably wasn't the right place for this post but what the heck. It's one that I read just about every day.

PPS I'm not free of guilt on wasting resources by abusing the quote option. More than a few times I've used it without thinking. Sometimes I'll catch myself and correct it, sometimes not.

dkroth Love that drill index! I hope to find an old one someday! Congrats!

That is a good point! I am the habitual line stepper when it come to quotes with pictures. I should probably knock the picture out of my quotes from now on[emoji23]


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[Smokeshow69]

As long as we’re getting down and dirty with quotes...



Oh, dear...is it wrong that in my head I’m considering The Kama Sutra of Vices as a potential book title? (British title, obviously)

See, that’s how to edit a quote. You can also just type and boldface the username of whomever you want the post directed toward. (God, I love ending sentences with prepositions! It’s so liberating! F-U, Latin-derived proscriptive grammar!)
I don’t use the app and I have notifications turned off...DOES quoting a post automatically alert the OP?

To answer your question ( after I scanned your post for pictures [emoji23]) yes, the app alerts you when someone quotes you if you have enabled that setting


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[Smokeshow69]

Dang, I had totally forgetten that incident.

Poor old jakemac and his nephew [emoji23] I can only imagine the embarrassment. My dog once dropped in the middle of Home Depot and I was embarrassed so I could only imagine the embarrassment a human would bring [emoji23]


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[TailGunner3000]

Herr Host, b.well
I have no opinion on whether or not it was or still is common practice to install a woodworker's vise with a wood face to the static jaw, but I have never seen a period catalog or ad showing one installed that way. That might not mean much, because they don't generally seem to show a wood face on the dynamic jaw, either. But, I am able to say with 100% certainty the reason I never see a woodworker's vise for sale with a wood face on the static jaw. It's because the vise has been removed from the bench. (This is where you say, 'no sh*t, Sherlock'.)

It should be noted that in picture number 3, "maple-faced jaws, per pair" is an option offered for sale.

That would seem to indicate that wood faces on both jaws is a generally accepted way of using the vise.

I should note that the five woodworker's vises I currently have mounted on various benches all have wood jaw inserts on both sets of jaws.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It should be noted that in picture number 3, "maple-faced jaws, per pair" is an option offered for sale.

That would seem to indicate that wood faces on both jaws is a generally accepted way of using the vise.

Good catch! Agreed. For context, that was from a 1944 Couch & Heyle catalog.

 

[3baygarage]

Hah! The old golf ball nuggies story.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It should be noted that in picture number 3, "maple-faced jaws, per pair" is an option offered for sale.

That would seem to indicate that wood faces on both jaws is a generally accepted way of using the vise.

Good catch! Agreed. For context, that was from a 1944 Couch & Heyle catalog.

Tailgunner,
If only to extend the Great Woodworker's Vise Debate of 2020 a little further, I am going to have to walk back my agreement a little. I think the ad indicates that some customers were obviously using wood jaw faces, and it implies that some were buying nice custom-fit and probably re-drilled maple ones from that vise maker and probably others, and implies further that some were saving the $1.10 and probably making their own. It doesn't mean that other customers weren't mounting their vises without them (a la my old man, and LS, apparently) and using temporary blocking, thereby maximizing throat capacity per each job/task at hand. In other words, I don't think it's enough by itself to quantitatively justify a "generally accepted" conclusion.

Hah! The old golf ball nuggies story.

Hee hee.

 

[LesserSon]

bmw & Lugz
Thank you both for supplying an end for my joke. They really transformed it into two utterly different genres.
I would have expressed my gratitude earlier, but I did wonder what anyone else might contribute.
More immediately, my well-intentioned but dumb-*** 95lb chocolate labrador nearly ripped two fingers off my dominant right hand when he lunged at another dog on our walk last night. We were just feet from my porch steps, so I had relaxed my grip on the leash, when another party came suddenly in view from around the corner, which dumb-*** apparently construed as a surprise attack. My index and middle fingers got caught in a loop and took the full shock when he reached the limit of the lead. Still swollen. MrsLS has been brought down twice by him under similar circumstances. I wish I owned a junk-yard (really; I’d love it) so I could put him to use guarding it.
I hope the other people didn’t think the involuntary stream of profanity and damnation that escaped me was directed at them.

 

[bmwrd0]

OUCH!!

I hope everything comes out OK and you heal quickly. Sending my best wishes.

 

[Stuart in MN]

Not tool related, but I thought it was pretty cool...I got this today from a yard sale just down the street for $30. It's a 1961 Grundig Majestic console stereo/phono. It has AM and FM stereo, plus shortwave radio bands. It also has provisions for plugging in a separate tape recorder, so I think it could be adapted to connect to modern MP3/smart phone devices. The cabinet needs refinishing and I don't know if it works, but it came with full documentation including the owner's manual and a schematic; I'm an electrical engineer, and my brother does mid-century modern furniture restoration, so we should be able to get it fixed up. Grundig radios were pretty high end stuff back in the day.

 

[bmwrd0]

That is very nice!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Not tool related, but I thought it was pretty cool...I got this today from a yard sale just down the street for $30. It's a 1961 Grundig Majestic console stereo/phono. It has AM and FM stereo, plus shortwave radio bands. It also has provisions for plugging in a separate tape recorder, so I think it could be adapted to connect to modern MP3/smart phone devices. The cabinet needs refinishing and I don't know if it works, but it came with full documentation including the owner's manual and a schematic; I'm an electrical engineer, and my brother does mid-century modern furniture restoration, so we should be able to get it fixed up. Grundig radios were pretty high end stuff back in the day.

This radio cabinet is way cool!


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[gearhead1960]

I got this today from a yard sale just down the street for $30. It's a 1961 Grundig Majestic console stereo/phono.

Nice find and great price. People around here (Wash DC and metro area) usually ask a ridiculous amount of money for any of these Grundig units. Enjoy it!

 

[Jim_No_Garage]

Not tool related, but I thought it was pretty cool...I got this today from a yard sale just down the street for $30. It's a 1961 Grundig Majestic console stereo/phono. It has AM and FM stereo, plus shortwave radio bands. It also has provisions for plugging in a separate tape recorder, so I think it could be adapted to connect to modern MP3/smart phone devices. The cabinet needs refinishing and I don't know if it works, but it came with full documentation including the owner's manual and a schematic; I'm an electrical engineer, and my brother does mid-century modern furniture restoration, so we should be able to get it fixed up. Grundig radios were pretty high end stuff back in the day.

That's a GOOD LOOKING CABINET!

Good luck on the restoration - post a thread!

Cheers

Jim