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Definitely NOT to code. The fixture needs to mount to a box.

Or even paying his bills. :eyecrazy:

Much as I dislike a lot of the 2014 NEC, you are 100% incorrect here.

Cost of living in WI must be insanely cheap. I wouldn't break even at those prices. Are you seriously saying your electrician charges $28 per opening for receptacles??? If so tell him I said the 80's called, they want their prices back.

How do you people deal like this???? Don't you go over things ahead of time and get a price for WHAT YOU WANT?? Or do you get a price for bare code minimum and then get upcharged for everything above code minimum? If so that is a WEIRD way to price anything more than a tract home.

In situations like this this is always your best approach. :thumbup:

What would this have to do with it??

No, not at all. You gave me Lutron's total numbers when I debated the point that they own what you specifically called "the wireless market". I am well aware that Lutron owns the lighting controls/dimmer market, but I simply disagreed about the wireless "home control" market. Nice. I am actually...

So how long have you worked for Lutron?? :rolleyes: I know Lutron, I use a ton of their stuff. You just said Lutron "owns" the market in this type of thing and I disagreed. You throwing Lutrons total sales at me is meaningless. I know what they sell. My point is, I see and hear a LOT more of...

You really think this??? Insteon, Z-Wave, Zigbee and others are all doing a pretty brisk business. You can't go only by what you seen in Home Depot.

OK, but what in the world does this have to do with wiring receptacles? I think Wylie and myself have made our points.

WHY are you working on it live in the first place???

This is because Canada has MUCH better terminology than us.

Wow. Just wow. Must **** to have to live like that. :( As said, there is no code other than a minimum of one. Put them where ever it won't stroke you out.

This! This is your answer. :thumbup:

Upgrade an existing circuit, almost definitely NOT. Start from scratch, if you run #12 then use a 20A breaker.

Sure, I've seen it. Literally as many times as I have seen a failed wire nut splice. Do it right and it won't fail, either way you do it. The arguments given for pigtailing are lame IMO. "If you have to remove a device they all keep working", or "If one fails the others keep working". Again...

I know everyone is getting off on saying how a fire was prevented and the house could have burned down, but in reality this was not very likely. The receptacle was properly mounted in a proper metal electrical box. It is designed to contain failures such as this. Fire possible, of course...

That was my point, DIYChatroom has many qualified people. Many of us that frequent ElectricianTalk.com also go to DIYChatroom.com as well. You can't disregard the quality of advice you get based solely on the site.

Yes, those receptacles are AL rated. NO! It is not necessary to replace the whole wire. AL SEU cable is NOT the evil thing some fear mongers make it out to be. It WAS a poor prong connection that caused that. If the wire connection were loose then the conductor would have been badly burned and...