Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT 3rd time's a charm with a 3 car workshop

[loganb]

My Grandpa will text me back, that's about the extent of his tech lol. His let's see what's going on out on the street is probably a rifle scope knowing him haha. That's awesome that they will let you do some things like that, most are very anti tech and push back when trying to be introduced to "whipper snapper" things like that lol. I know mine are.

Well I've got polar opposites on the 2 different sets. My mom's mother has never used and never will use a computer, had a rotary phone till I was in high school and still uses the original stove in the house circa 1969. She lost most of her eyesight in the last year from a medical condition made worse by stubbornness and some of the technology could make her life simpler but too late to go down that path. She's been widowed since '78 or '79 and has a strong since of independence so isn't interested in any of that computer stuff

The set of grandparent on today's project have adapted pretty well but struggle like many do when things change or do something unexpected. They're both using dual monitors, and are generally pretty good as long as nothing changes...well minus the dozen or so duplicated shortcuts on the desktop and some other things we fix for them periodically. But they're both 90 yrs old give or take a bit, and having the computers help keep them in touch with family and friends and keeps them inside during the winter when they shouldn't be out and about.

And the rifle scope comment is spot on here too...25 yrs ago there was a brief battle for the flower beds against the bunnies and a scoped Remington fed many neighborhood cats and scavengers until the bunnies wised up. They're now past the point where they can garden like that anymore so the bunnies are safe from both them and the overfed cats that hang around the back step

@loganb

I am not camera savy, but......

When we built out house I did pre-wired for 7 exterior cameras, but have never got around to doing anything. What cameras do you recommend, do you have a preference? They all run through my "tech" box in the closet and then make their way to the kitchen desk. So I can cut those wired and terminate them in the closet if I choose. If I have a box of sorts in the closet is there a way to broadcast that signal to any TV via Ethernet. So I can view the camera signals on any screen in the house? That same closet is where my satellite internet comes into and then goes back out to each TV / computer via hard line. I'm not a huge fan of wifi if I don't have to be.

I'm knowledgeable enough to be dangerous, hopefully we get a couple others to chime in....calling @iced98lx or @jblnut possibly? Based on your description of cabling adding its network cable/CAT 5(or 6) you've prepped, wholeheartedly agree to keep the cameras off wifi as that's a ton of congestion on the network that doesn't need to happen. If the devices isn't made to walk around and always sits in the same place or worse yet is screwed to the wall...it should be hardwired!

First decision is how to record, store and access the data. 2 main choices as I'm aware are a Network Video Recorder(NVR) or PC that is always on. We had the PC so went that route and use a software package called BlueIris to control the cameras. Add on as many external hard drives as you want for more storage, but for your just household perimeter and animal cam there isn't a reason to maintain it for long term so storage doesn't have to be huge.

For the cameras I bought about 5 years ago and went with Dahua dome cameras from one of the Chinese eBay like markets. At that time there wasn't a lot of hardware differences in the sub $150 a camera market and went with Dahua as they had the least cited issues of hardware attempting to "phone home" to China. I had the cameras "walled off" on the network though and the cameras were blocked from outside access so I wasn't concerned with that. 2 of those same cameras now are ceiling mounted for baby cams in the kids room, getting the rest back outside(with probably a few new ones added in) is on the list to do before snow falls. IPcamtalk.com was where I gleaned most of my initial knowledge on the subject

Probably biggest thing I learned with those wasn't as much about the cameras as it was about placement. If you want to get good face shots...mounting them all on the soffit doesn't work...its handy and generally convenient but ***** for recognition if something happens and you need the footage. I'll still have some soffit mounted ones, but they won't be the only ones.

As for popping it on tv's, my solution isn't fancy or elegant but it works and that's just to open the BlueIris app on the phone and "cast" or "mirror" it to the desired TV. With that we can display a tiled view of all cameras or a single camera zoomed in as tight as hardware allows. We only have 2 tv's I ever need it displayed on and both are smart tv's so pushing the phone display to them is easy. We have the apps on the tablets as well so it's easy for grandparents or babysitters to monitor as well or for us to push it to the TV without the phone being "hostage" by the app.

 

[Boostingaz]

Well I've got polar opposites on the 2 different sets. My mom's mother has never used and never will use a computer, had a rotary phone till I was in high school and still uses the original stove in the house circa 1969. She lost most of her eyesight in the last year from a medical condition made worse by stubbornness and some of the technology could make her life simpler but too late to go down that path. She's been widowed since '78 or '79 and has a strong since of independence so isn't interested in any of that computer stuff

The set of grandparent on today's project have adapted pretty well but struggle like many do when things change or do something unexpected. They're both using dual monitors, and are generally pretty good as long as nothing changes...well minus the dozen or so duplicated shortcuts on the desktop and some other things we fix for them periodically. But they're both 90 yrs old give or take a bit, and having the computers help keep them in touch with family and friends and keeps them inside during the winter when they shouldn't be out and about.

And the rifle scope comment is spot on here too...25 yrs ago there was a brief battle for the flower beds against the bunnies and a scoped Remington fed many neighborhood cats and scavengers until the bunnies wised up. They're now past the point where they can garden like that anymore so the bunnies are safe from both them and the overfed cats that hang around the back step



I'm knowledgeable enough to be dangerous, hopefully we get a couple others to chime in....calling @iced98lx or @jblnut possibly? Based on your description of cabling adding its network cable/CAT 5(or 6) you've prepped, wholeheartedly agree to keep the cameras off wifi as that's a ton of congestion on the network that doesn't need to happen. If the devices isn't made to walk around and always sits in the same place or worse yet is screwed to the wall...it should be hardwired!

First decision is how to record, store and access the data. 2 main choices as I'm aware are a Network Video Recorder(NVR) or PC that is always on. We had the PC so went that route and use a software package called BlueIris to control the cameras. Add on as many external hard drives as you want for more storage, but for your just household perimeter and animal cam there isn't a reason to maintain it for long term so storage doesn't have to be huge.

For the cameras I bought about 5 years ago and went with Dahua dome cameras from one of the Chinese eBay like markets. At that time there wasn't a lot of hardware differences in the sub $150 a camera market and went with Dahua as they had the least cited issues of hardware attempting to "phone home" to China. I had the cameras "walled off" on the network though and the cameras were blocked from outside access so I wasn't concerned with that. 2 of those same cameras now are ceiling mounted for baby cams in the kids room, getting the rest back outside(with probably a few new ones added in) is on the list to do before snow falls. IPcamtalk.com was where I gleaned most of my initial knowledge on the subject

Probably biggest thing I learned with those wasn't as much about the cameras as it was about placement. If you want to get good face shots...mounting them all on the soffit doesn't work...its handy and generally convenient but ***** for recognition if something happens and you need the footage. I'll still have some soffit mounted ones, but they won't be the only ones.

As for popping it on tv's, my solution isn't fancy or elegant but it works and that's just to open the BlueIris app on the phone and "cast" or "mirror" it to the desired TV. With that we can display a tiled view of all cameras or a single camera zoomed in as tight as hardware allows. We only have 2 tv's I ever need it displayed on and both are smart tv's so pushing the phone display to them is easy. We have the apps on the tablets as well so it's easy for grandparents or babysitters to monitor as well or for us to push it to the TV without the phone being "hostage" by the app.

I have 3 living grandparents. My one grandpa passed away a few years ago and my grandma to stay busy has learned how to use a tablet for games, that's about it.

My other set still live on some property and are more the manual labor driven folks, so they are always out mowing or picking up leaves, or grandpa's doing repairs on things, fishing, all that sort of stuff. So they are a little less on the technology side of things. My grandma will email/text and my grandpa will pretty much just text.

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Awesome! Thanks for the info, that's a great start for me.

I have CAT6E CMR Riser Rated running to all the exterior camera locations. We installed round gang boxes on the exterior vertical walls during construction and wired into those. They are just capped of and painted, so for now are pretty incognito. I have a flat roof behind parapet walls, no soffits or over hangs, so everything is wall mounted.

Looking back at receipts, this is exactly what we bought and ran.

CAT6E CMR Riser Rated, 1000ft Spool

23 AWG CAT6E CMR, High-Performance Data Cable

www.wireandcableyourway.com

 

[Boostingaz]

I was looking at something like this, but I am not sure this would work with my CAT6E pre-wire.

https://www.costco.com/lorex-4k-ultra-hd-8-channel-dvr-security-system-with-8-4k-active-deterrence-cameras.product.100846201.html

 

[nicholam77]

@Boostingaz most IP cams are interchangeable, but if you get an NVR to record with I say you might as well get the same brand cameras. I’d go at least full HD (1080p), and PoE (power over Ethernet) is nice so you don’t have to run power to each camera. Most NVR’s support PoE, otherwise you can just use a PoE switch or individual PoE “injectors”. I went the NVR route (Amcrest) and it works just fine although the software and mobile apps are mediocre. If you plan on adding a lot of cameras or want more flexibility, Blue Iris is the way to go. It will take effort and money to set up but it’s extremely customizable.

As far as getting feeds on the TV, some set top boxes like Roku and Apple TV have 3rd party apps (search something like “IP Cam Viewer” in their respective app stores) that will let you view IP cam feeds either individually or in a grid array. While video over Ethernet is technically possible, that would be an expensive and difficult solution to set up.

Alternatively, cameras like google’s Nest line, Arlo, etc have nice mobile apps and are more convenient to access on various devices, but will cost a lot more per camera than a traditional IP cam.

 

[Boostingaz]

@nicholam77

Great stuff, thanks!

I would imagine since the house is pre-wired, for simplicity sake I just need to be looking for PoE compatible nvr system. Since all the exterior locations track back to one central hub. I just plop the NVR there, plug in all the cables and then just need something to view the feed on correct. Can I hook just a computer monitor directly to the NVR box or do I need a full fledged tower and operating system.

Sorry guys if these are all silly and basic questions. I'm a dirty hands, hammer and nails kind of guy not a wires and computers wizz.

Sorry to derail your thread @loganb

 

[nicholam77]

@Boostingaz typically you can connect a monitor and mouse to the NVR directly, but it will also serve up a web GUI that you could access from any browser on your local network. These days a lot of NVR and IP cam manufactures do have a mobile (iOS or Android app), they just usually aren’t as pretty as something like Arlo or Nest.

But I agree, since you’re hardwired, that your plan makes sense. If you find you’re really adding a ton of cameras or want to do more things with it, you can always do a Blue Iris server down the line and all your existing IP cams will still work with that.

 

[Boostingaz]

@Boostingaz typically you can connect a monitor and mouse to the NVR directly, but it will also serve up a web GUI that you could access from any browser on your local network. These days a lot of NVR and IP cam manufactures do have a mobile (iOS or Android app), they just usually aren’t as pretty as something like Arlo or Nest.

But I agree, since you’re hardwired, that your plan makes sense. If you find you’re really adding a ton of cameras or want to do more things with it, you can always do a Blue Iris server down the line and all your existing IP cams will still work with that.

Awesome. Thanks!

I can't really see myself going crazy above and beyond what we set up for. I've got locations wired that will see:

1) Courtyard
2) Front door approach
3) My office door approach (it is separate not acceptable from the house)
4) Driveway
5) Facing shop driveway and overheads
6) Facing shop man door
6) Pool / backyard
7) Facing out at the animal pens
8) I also have power, a telephone line and CAT6 buried in conduits (as well as an extra empty conduit just in case) running out to the end of the driveway for a future gate with a code keypad and camera type setup.

What the cameras can't see the dogs can and they are a pretty good doorbell.

 

[loganb]

Love the dialog @Boostingaz as it should help me get off my **** getting my outdoor cameras mounted!

Agree with Nick that the plan is sound. With Power over Ethernet and the wiring already run it should be pretty straight forward. Terminate and test the wiring then plug into the NVR or a Power Over Ethernet switch. Be aware that PoE switches are markedly more expensive then non-PoE so it gets expensive to buy a lot more switch ports them needed. Additional switches can be added down the road if you buy an 8 port switch and need a couple more spots later.

I'd setup a testing area to where you can plug in/power up the cameras inside and get them setup before mounting. You'll likely need to change a couple settings(IP address most notably) on each camera from the manufacturer default before you can add them to the NVR or Blue Iris...and well it's far more comfortable to troubleshoot it from a desk instead of on a ladder in the oven you call "outside"

Once settings are changed, it's plug in, mount it up and off you go with the various settings and alerts etc for your software!

 

[Boostingaz]

Love the dialog @Boostingaz as it should help me get off my **** getting my outdoor cameras mounted!

Agree with Nick that the plan is sound. With Power over Ethernet and the wiring already run it should be pretty straight forward. Terminate and test the wiring then plug into the NVR or a Power Over Ethernet switch. Be aware that PoE switches are markedly more expensive them non-PoE so it gets expensive to buy a lot more switch ports them needed. Additional switches can be added down the road if you buy an 8 port switch and need a couple more spots later.

I'd setup a testing area to where you can plug in/power up the cameras inside and get them setup before mounting. You'll likely need to change a couple settings(IP address most notably) on each camera from the manufacturer default before you can add them to the NVR or Blue Iris...and well it's far more comfortable to troubleshoot it from a desk instead of on a ladder in the oven you call "outside"

Once settings are changed, it's plug in, mount it up and off you go with the various settings and alerts etc for your software!

All solid advice and greatly appreciated as I am usually a.....get everything very permanently mounted, plugged it, sealed up, etc etc, turned on and something doesn't work kind of guy haha. So I love the testing advice .

Just had this happen in my office. I have two (2) Cat 6E + (2) RG6 Quad Composite Cables run to a dual wall port. I was only using one for a long time but added a second desktop as my Father just started actually working for (?) me. That still sounds wierd to me as for so many years I always worked for him at his contracting and real estate development firm. Anyways...long story short when we originally wired that wall port (again you gotta excuse my techy ignorance lol, my father is actually better at all this than me. He is good at the foundational hardwire portion and I am good at setting up the software after install, that's about it) he got the pins accidentally slipped in at a different order on that one. So when we went to hook up that second computer to the router on the other end, adding the male plug, we had a heck of a time getting a complete signal. He ran home and got his tester of some kind and we figured out what order the colors were in and bingo all good. So on the cameras yes I will figure out a way to test before finalizing the mounting

My father recommended to try and somewhat future proof that we just go ahead and run these quad cables to every bedroom, office, living room, kitchen etc in the house. We also spec'd in for in-wall and ceiling speakers and built dedicated wooden boxes for those. So each speaker is actually in a "sealed" box not just venting into a whole wall and or just the whole attic. He's OCD like that.




I think I might give this system a try. It comes with 8 PoE cameras as well as has the option to add 8 more via WiFi. If I get all this working right I might even be able to have a chicken can like @harley jim

https://www.costco.com/lorex-4k-uhd-fusion-nvr-wired-security-system-with-smart-security-lighting.product.100858346.html

When my father retired in the early 2000's he become very interested in more of the techy side of building and has really been really keeping up on things ever since. When we built our house just a few years ago he is the reason I now have access and can control, the multiple A/C units, water heaters, garage doors, door locks, etc all from my phone. If you would have asked me I would have said ehhhh I don't need that, but he took the lead and did it anyways haha, but now I do really enjoy it. Sometimes when he starts geeking out on new building stuff I feel like the old guy in the room

 

[Boostingaz]

Appreciate letting us derail you here for a moment....

In an attempt to divert this back to regularly scheduled programming, how's the yard coming along?

I sprayed for weeds today, that's the extent of my "lawn" maintenance being all stone. Besides the occasional scrape with the grader box in the areas that are still dirt.

 

[loganb]

Well in GJ fashion I must recommend a highly specialized probably limited usage tool...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085LPN71C/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Network cable testers are super handy...50 bucks to well over a couple grand, that's just a more reasonable priced version but sounds like your dad has one to borrow. I have that one or a generic version but has been very handy for tracing cabling in new to me houses in addition testing cables. Since network cable is 4 pairs of wires but only 4 actual wires are usually used, it's very possible to wire it wrong and still work which is where a cable tester comes in handy as it shows open wires and crossed pairs which can impact reliability of the cable when they occur.

And the testing/setup bench will be helpful, I learned the hard way on my first couple. Biggest issue I had is the cameras occasionally lock up when updating settings/flashing new firmware(if necessary) and the hard reset is on the circuit board...which requires basically complete disassembly to get to. So getting them all updated/properly addressed and working inside will reduce the amount of time you or your Dad spend on the top of the ladder. Once I had them setup no issues with the cameras....occasionally a software or firewall update would disable us being able to view the cameras when out of range of the Wifi but a bit of fiddling would usually fix that.

 

[Boostingaz]

Yup that is sort of what he has, except his is basically a master and remote stick of lights, it's all analog, nothing digital about it. But hey it still helped us find and fix our issue! So yes I agree, good tool to have in someones bag, even if it gets little use.

I like the testing bench advice! I will definitely be doing that to work out the kinks before we get them all up 14ft high. Not fun at the top of the ladder trying to figure out the little stuff.

I had some motion flood lights that were just compatibly not playing nice with the arc faults we used for the exterior circuits. That was a bit of up/down ladder time and not fun.

 

[loganb]

Nap time project working on metric hardware drawer



Most of the M3 containers are "half height" and stacked on top of the next length but still storing a lot of air. On the printer now is a test box with a center divider so I could store 2 different ones in the same half height box.

 

[Boostingaz]

Nap time project working on metric hardware drawer



Must of the M3 containers are "half height" and stacked on top of the next length but still storing a lot of air. On the printer now is a test box with a center divider so I could store 2 different ones in the same half height box.

Jealous of your storage optimization capabilities. I have one of those hardware racks but its only draw is it gets dusty being open. I blow it out everyone in a while with the compressor but then stuff flies out lol.

 

[bj383ss]

Loving the drawers Logan. Looks awfully familiar .

20220126_135235 by bjohnson388, on Flickr

Bret

 

[loganb]

Jealous of your storage optimization capabilities. I have one of those hardware racks but its only draw is it gets dusty being open. I blow it out everyone in a while with the compressor but then stuff flies out lol.

I have a large box full of Akro bins I have largely retired for that same reason of didn't like the dust on them. Now that I've discovered my favorite garage cleaning tool(18v makita blower) it wouldn't be as bad....but with the CNC hopefully working soon I'm working towards all storage in drawers and protected from errant dust...but more importantly little hands!

P.s. love the spax assortment

Loving the drawers Logan. Looks awfully familiar .

20220126_135235 by bjohnson388, on Flickr

Bret

I've gazed at yours multiple times(sounds kinda creepy doesn't it....). ..thanks for sharing! Once I get metric hardware done I'm probably going to shift to replacing the Schaller bins in the other cabinet with these printed ones in the grid base so they don't slide and stay put better. Am also going to try and determine a color scheme for the bins and stick with it....probably shouldn't have used black for hardware that's often black oxide finish...

Also got the CAD update done for the divided bin

 

[Boostingaz]

@loganb

Divided bins! Now I feel like your just showing off. Haha. Those will be sweet for those don't need to have 100 on hand kind of parts as those always waste bin space and make me angry haha!

PS: I love the Spax's and am super bummed that Home Depot stopped carrying them.

 

[loganb]

Couple quick updates:

I've become a fan of Wera Advent tool calendars as Christmas gifts for some in the family who appreciate said things...normally find prior years on sale

Realized I had an extra from last year while I was cleaning up one of the basement storage areas:



Will much more useful on the wall by the 3d printer!



Then joined the wife on the couch and worked on labels for the divided bins while we watched Episode 2 of House of the Dragon on HBO. I can get 10 bins on the printer at a time and it's about a 7 hr print so probably 2 days or so will get me what I need for the smaller fasteners

 

[jblnut]

A little late to the party here (as usual) .....

Like it or hate it I'm a big fan of Ubiquiti equipment from their PtP links to their cameras and everything in-between. I've installed hundreds of cameras and even more PtP link sets on farms and properties across MN, WI, IA, SD and ND and they are all still running quite well. They have a couple different storage options from a small 1TB NVR to an add your own drives 7 Bay array (which I just acquired and is SWEET). Their WiFi/Networking stuff is pretty stout as well. I have one farm running with 26 AP's and almost 20 switches. It's a rather large place and has a fab shop and apartment on site. It was a blast to setup and wire and has been running with very very few equipment failures since 2017.

On the camera side they make cameras that can be connected to WiFi that are pretty decent but should be avoided in large quantities. That being said I have 4 WiFi cams in and around my shop and my AP doesn't seem to care and they always stream instantly like they should. I have a mix of everything from 720p to 4k here at home and they all look nice to be honest. The 720p cams are going on 8yrs old and are still rocking it. There is a bit of a learning curve with their stuff but it isn't that big a deal to learn. "Crosstalk solutions" on YouTube has some amazing videos on how to setup anything Ubiquiti on his channel if you need help.

If you can make use of existing cabling that is always best but WiFi cams have come a LONG ways since they were first a thing running on good ol' 802.11b back in the day. I would avoid designing a camera system around WiFi cams though. The 4 I have in the shop are mostly to see what I can do with WiFi cams and I was too lazy to run wires in the walls before they got closed up. I have wires run to a pair of spots to put dome cams on the ceilings but haven't done so yet. The WiFi cams are actually nice as you can move them around anywhere there is an outlet. I put one upstairs in the kiddos play room when they're going to be up there so I can toss the video stream on a monitor in my office to see what they're up to. I have a older flatscreen (plasma baby) in the shop with a ViewPort behind it so I can have the driveway cams showing when I'm in the welding bay and cannot see outside though a window. It works well and I can see people pull in in real time.

Overall ...... I like the Ubiquiti stuff because it is familiar .... there is A LOT of other hardware out there that will preform as well or likely better than Ubiquiti stuff but I'm invested in their ecosystem so I trudge on. Sort of like picking DeWalt, Milwaukee, Ryobi or whatever tool platform. For the most part when you dive in you stay in or spend a lot of $$$$$ to switch to something else.

From the looks of those sweet bins I may need to invest in a 3D printer ..... I just ordered an embroidery machine so I can buy apparel for pennies and put my logos on them instead of paying the local guy $22 per T-Shirt for an ugly screen printed cheap thin shirt. My sister is going to run it for us and use it for something for her wedding photography business. I bought it and she's going to do stuff for us so that's a win for me !!!

 

[Bakafish]

I ran 3 pairs in white ABS for better temperature resistance and they got installed earlier this week and so far are working great.

Just a note that ABS doesn't like UV very much and isn't recommended for sun exposed outdoor use. Using ASA filament instead or painting them (even in a clear UV blocker) would be my suggestion.

 

[slodat]

I too love the Ubiquiti stuff. I use their stuff to link my two properties a block apart.

Logan - the modified bins look great!

 

[loganb]

In an attempt to divert this back to regularly scheduled programming, how's the yard coming along?

I sprayed for weeds today, that's the extent of my "lawn" maintenance being all stone. Besides the occasional scrape with the grader box in the areas that are still dirt.

The more yard work I do the more I sometimes day dream about being a rock farmer...lol. I put rock in some spots behind the house, pretty sure I'm going to do more of it.

Rented a core aerator from the orange box, for those who have never used one it's like a combination of a slow speed paint mixer, a jumping jack tamper and a walk behind mower with a nasty front end lift at launch. Get a workout for sure using the walk behind models like this:



And it makes little plugs like this:


2 years ago a bunch of us on the block went together and got a large ride on one for a 24 hour rental and it was a much nicer machine, but I didn't have the time this year to try and organize

After aerate I got some fertilizer down, now trying to top dress and do some leveling with a 100% compost mix:


It's "interesting" that this compost yards "1 yard" is 2 buckets of a very similar size skidder and is only a bit less in the bed then 2 yards(which takes 2 scoops of the skidder) of mulch from the landscape place I get mulch. Didn't actually measure and try and figure volume, maybe if it rains

Spreading it isn't rocket science, using a Gorilla yard cart to move from truck to hard, then throwing it with the shovel. After a couple cart loads I get out the leveling rack and try and flatten it out and fill in the low spots. Let the grass get a bit to long to use the leveling rake easily so before I spread anymore I need to trim grass back down



And load 1 fairly "raked in"...wasn't that bad of a job, wish there was a powered top dress machine available for rent in this town but there isn't so I'll do it the hard way. Probably try and get a couple more loads brought home and spread in the next several days, will probably just do the front yard this fall as my experiment and see how it does vs the back.

A little late to the party here (as usual) .....

On the camera side they make cameras that can be connected to WiFi that are pretty decent but should be avoided in large quantities. That being said I have 4 WiFi cams in and around my shop and my AP doesn't seem to care and they always stream instantly like they should. I have a mix of everything from 720p to 4k here at home and they all look nice to be honest. The 720p cams are going on 8yrs old and are still rocking it. There is a bit of a learning curve with their stuff but it isn't that big a deal to learn. "Crosstalk solutions" on YouTube has some amazing videos on how to setup anything Ubiquiti on his channel if you need help.

Hum....hadn't paid much attention to their camera options in probably 5 years, definitely more choices and better price ranges then last time I looked. Something else to research and browse on...thanks sir!

From the looks of those sweet bins I may need to invest in a 3D printer ..... I just ordered an embroidery machine so I can buy apparel for pennies and put my logos on them instead of paying the local guy $22 per T-Shirt for an ugly screen printed cheap thin shirt. My sister is going to run it for us and use it for something for her wedding photography business. I bought it and she's going to do stuff for us so that's a win for me !!!

Printer=super cool! Be a fun winter project and there are lots of fun toys, expandable swords that print in a single print etc that the kids could play with. Check out the 3d printer thread here and tons of ways they can be helpful around the shop with various storage stuff and even more useful on jigs and fixtures/adapters etc!

The Everything 3D Printer Thread

So lilscorpion's Tooling (Re)Organization thread drifted off topic a few times with discussions on 3D printers so we'll start a thread here as a clearinghouse for all things 3D printing. Feel free to post your questions, comments, suggestions, tips, printers, projects, etc.

www.garagejournal.com

Just a note that ABS doesn't like UV very much and isn't recommended for sun exposed outdoor use. Using ASA filament instead or painting them (even in a clear UV blocker) would be my suggestion.

Thanks for dropping in! Drat....I had ASA too but thought my material chart showed better UV properties on ABS...just checked it again and no, I just can't follow the grid lines...****. Thanks for pointing that out and I'll mention to them to hit them with a coat of clear or white from a rattle can!

I too love the Ubiquiti stuff. I use their stuff to link my two properties a block apart.

Logan - the modified bins look great!

Thanks...making a bit more progress. Think I'm going to do black for all metric fasteners, then some other color...maybe blue for standard. Still have a few more to print and some labels to update but getting closer to all the current metric fasteners organized in a single place



Looks like I have lots of space for more fasteners!

 

[Boostingaz]

Hahahaha. I'm a rock farmer and have tons (literally) of crop down, we've been getting some decent rain so if it grows I'll sell you some....

 

[loganb]

Late night marketplace find had me loading up the almost 4 going on 14 yr old for a 45 minute truck ride:





It was raining and wet so no pictures before the drawers came out and was unloaded, but 12 drawer, 60" tall cabinet. I've had Equipto, Vidmar and Lista before and very similar but is badged Hallowell which is a new name to me but appears to still be in business but no longer make this type. Anyone know if Hallowell actually made these or if it was private labeled by one of the others?

Drawer slide assy is similar to the others I've seen, this one is a bit nicer/newer as the drawer slide can't accidentally come out of the cabinet. The plastic L clip acts as a hold down on the metal keeper which is the slide stop, pry the plastic L clip free and the metal keeper can come free and pull the assy out.




Overall in pretty good shape, some rust on the very bottom I hit with a wire wheel prior to getting out of the truck and a couple drawer bottoms had water or chemicals sitting for awhile as their are a couple large rust spots to clean and paint. Drawer slides show very little debris, definitely came out of the cleaner part of a facility.

Will work to pull the slides completely out and get them nice and clean then lubed up. It's planned to go into the basement mechanical room and be used for ammo and related accy storage plus any other tools or 3d printing stuff that lives close by. Fortunately basement is a walk out so once the slides are out shouldn't be too bad to dolly it around and into the basement.

$300 so did well but didn't need another project distraction...oh well! It will not be getting a full paint job so hopefully most time consuming part is removal, cleaning and lubing of the slides. Does have a lock but no keys so either chasing down keys or putting a new lock in will be part of the plan as well.

 

[Boostingaz]

@loganb

Dang!! Nice snag! That thing looks well built.

I can never find anything good on those types of classifieds. Everyone out near me is also a "junk" collector so no one gives away anything good hahahah.

 

[slodat]

That's a great deal. I love the old beat up Vidmars I have! LOTS of bins to print now!

 

[harley jim]

Thats a great find, like boostingaz said, there are to many scavengers around here to get a deal like that.
There up east somewhere, Maine maybe, I worked at Lyon metal and Equipto back in the day, it looks a lot like my Lyon drawer unit

 

[loganb]

@loganb

Dang!! Nice snag! That thing looks well built.

I can never find anything good on those types of classifieds. Everyone out near me is also a "junk" collector so no one gives away anything good hahahah.

I definitely got lucky, was the 2nd person who messaged to setup a time but 1st to actually show up. Asked if he had any more...unfortunately not! I have standing Craigslist searches and auction searches within reasonable driving range but most of the time it's just dumb luck like this

That's a great deal. I love the old beat up Vidmars I have! LOTS of bins to print now!

Yeah....there is a Prusa on marketplace that price has dropped a couple times and considering offering 500 and see if they bite....

Thats a great find, like boostingaz said, there are to many scavengers around here to get a deal like that.
There up east somewhere, Maine maybe, I worked at Lyon metal and Equipto back in the day, it looks a lot like my Lyon drawer unit

Thanks Jim! the slide assys are very similar to one I sold that was unbranded but believe was a Lyon. Gonna message Hallowell today and see if they can provide any support on the lock assy.

Got a call yesterday from a cousin curious if we had any plans and would be interested in helping put up a pallet wall in their house.



He already had the lumber all prepped and our kids are the same age so good chance to catch up and feel productive. First time doing one of these, but he had the first couple courses done and in about 3.5 hours we got to the 6' mark on the wall. I'm busier today but will be dropping off a aluminum scaffold plank to make the last couple feet a bit easier.

After kids went down got most of the slide assy out of the cabinet before I ran out of energy.





Hoping to get some primer and paint on the bottom of the cabinet and get it moved to its long term home by end of today then start cleaning slide assy's. No caked or frozen grease so cleaning will mostly be some light debris removal then lube and reassy.

 

[harley jim]

That pallet wall looks strangely familiar, lol

 

[loganb]

That pallet wall looks strangely familiar, lol

Very familiar! Rustic isn't the wife's style so will never be asked to do one in our house but it wasn't too bad of a project. Swung by this AM to dropoff the scaffold plank and another multi position ladder to support the plank and he was getting started and hoping to finish today. We got a bit of a hump in it on one end thanks to the nature of the material and he was working to try trim that out so the top course lines up well with the ceiling

 

[Boostingaz]

@loganb

Nice looking jointer back there hiding in the corner. I've been looking for one for a while and am always a day late and dollar short with the classifieds.....or they are 3 hours away and with the price of diesel it's just not worth it.

 

[legenddc]

Automated Craigslist searches were how I was able to snag most of my tools. The one I used stopped working unfortunately. So much gets listed at sold without people knowing.

 

[wreckdiver1321]

Yeah, that's familiar.

 

[loganb]

@loganb

Nice looking jointer back there hiding in the corner. I've been looking for one for a while and am always a day late and dollar short with the classifieds.....or they are 3 hours away and with the price of diesel it's just not worth it.

That would be a Craigslist score, delta DJ-20 8" unit. Prior owner was getting out of larger scale woodworking and was getting rid of his bigger stuff. I had saved searches on bandsaw and planer and was there within an hour of the liating goi g up. had no intentions of buying the jointer but when I asked what he was going to so with it he said he wasn't sure but for $20 it was mine...yes $20. It had some surface rust on the bed but was in good shape otherwise but removal was a pain and I was there and already gotten the bandsaw and planer out of there so I was an easy way to gain him space

It has seen depressingly little action since I acquired it but hoping that changes soon.

Yeah, that's familiar.

Yup...sure is...he finished about an hour ago

 

[Boostingaz]

Damn, $20 bucks, you stink hahah. I see that bandsaw too that's super nice. I have a little craftsman 10" and have been looking for a bigger one.

I have seen several jointers for sale but they always just way to far away to justify.

I don't know anything about it but I acquired this cabinet from a good friend when his Dad passed away.

I stripped, sanded, repainted it and added a new top and turned it into a little tool stand.

 

[loganb]

Think it had its "feet wet" for awhile based on how much rust and scale I knocked off the C channel base...



Got it at least wire wheel clean, primered, painted and moved down to its new home which gives more room to spread out drawers a bit

Couple drawers had some pretty strong stuff sit in them for awhile as well

Bottom drawer:



Couple others have spots like the bottom one, will clean them up with wire wheel and shoot some primer then gray to clean it up a bit. Drawers weren't used much as the slides are almost spotless with so far no signs of significant opening/closing so suspecting it sat forgotten and unused for awhile with some leaky cans of some sort

Also have so far found 0 ID stamps or manufacturer part numbers anywhere on it other than lock cylinder which makes me suspect it was private label built for Hallowell

 

[loganb]

Automated Craigslist searches were how I was able to snag most of my tools. The one I used stopped working unfortunately. So much gets listed at sold without people knowing.

I'm just using the official Craigslist app now but can also use webpage only I believe. Login to your Craigslist account then hit the searches tab and you can create/adjust saved searches

 

[zc15]

@loganb what are the dimensions of your jointer base? I have a craftsman 113 that I am looking to put on a mobile base but it's stand is like 26"x44" or 46", I forget. I was recommended Shop Fox mobile bases, so I plan to get them for my drill press, belt/disc sander, and bandsaw.

 

[legenddc]

I'm just using the official Craigslist app now but can also use webpage only I believe. Login to your Craigslist account then hit the searches tab and you can create/adjust saved searches

Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep the email alerts off until a get a few more projects done around the house.

 

[loganb]

@loganb what are the dimensions of your jointer base? I have a craftsman 113 that I am looking to put on a mobile base but it's stand is like 26"x44" or 46", I forget. I was recommended Shop Fox mobile bases, so I plan to get them for my drill press, belt/disc sander, and bandsaw.

This is the factory Delta base for it, works for what it is but a down the road project is to rework the wheels with swivel casters on all corners to it can be parked into tighter corners