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What does that chart look like after a few years of compressor blow by allowing direct contact with oil which may or may not contain certain hydrocarbons, ketones, or cyclic ethers?
Don’t waste your time BBYeti. He copy and paste the same post/chart and listing sources or even manufactures lit means nothing to him. It’s like he owns significant amount of stock in a PVC manufacture.
There's members on this board that have ran PVC air lines for decades in a shop environment with zero issues. PVC lines are being used all over the country without issue. Maybe those facts mean nothing to you and you're the one that can't be told otherwise. The road runs both ways.
It's funny to see the bias against PVC. Especially with its very low cost and ease of installation. Use sched40 or higher, don't put it where direct sunlight can hit it. A simple painting would also prevent that UV risk
Look at that burst pressure rating for commonly available 3/4" sched40. It's 10X the rating of your air tools, your compressor emergency relief valve.
And who needs to leave their home garage / shop air system pressurized 24/7/365? Or rather, who can't wait or do something else for the couple minutes it takes your compressor to come up to pressure?
There's members on this board that have ran PVC air lines for decades in a shop environment with zero issues. PVC lines are being used all over the country without issue. Maybe those facts mean nothing to you and you're the one that can't be told otherwise. The road runs both ways.
In the process of installing 3/4” Rapidair Maxline. Spent way too much time toiling over this vs. Fastpipe. 4 drops shooting up into the ceiling. So far I don’t see a reason for a straightener and this stuff is very satisfying to work with.
I just harped on this in the last post. I agree with improving here and since economy is a concern here put 1.2 inch where you need it and no point in building out a fancy system, its not gonna make any more air. I done setups like that using common ready made 25 ft air hose too. Main thing is to be able to add to it, tailor as you go, function over form to start with and convenience is everything. You aint gotta do it all perfect the first time. If you dont have the "best" it likely wont matter and the tire you are blowing up does not care.I used PVC about 20 years ago at my old house. Never had a problem. Now I know that something else will be a better choice as I do not want shrapnel flying if it lets go.
I lot of people use gasoline to start a fire. I say diesel or kero is a better choice. People will say, I used gasoline and never had a problem.
I have an acquaintance who refused to wear his seatbelt. I always wear mine. Why, because you typically get less bodily injury in an accident if you wear it.
Racing is dangerous, but the risk is mitigated with the roll cage, seat, and 5 point harness.
It comes down to your limit of acceptable risk and risk mitigation. I don’t argue about it, no going back and forth over it. I don’t want the risk, especially with my family around. If someone wants the risk, that’s up to them. I’m not going to take that chance.
My shop structure is done, electrical is almost done. I don’t want to spend the money on RapidAir, copper, or steel pipe right now. I will use leftover pex from my water line, then replace later. I understand pex is subject to uv degradation and not the best solution. I also understand when pex let’s go, it bulges out then splits and doesn’t send shrapnel. So it’s not the best solution but the risk to bodily injury is mitigated because of its failure mode.
It all boils down to what is your acceptable level of risk and risk mitigation.
I will use leftover pex from my water line, then replace later. I understand pex is subject to uv degradation and not the best solution. I also understand when pex let’s go, it bulges out then splits and doesn’t send shrapnel. So it’s not the best solution but the risk to bodily injury is mitigated because of its failure mode.
It all boils down to what is your acceptable level of risk and risk mitigation.
Question for some of y’all that have installed a bunch of these.
What about using DOT truck air line instead of Pex? It should be UV stable, and is designed to be under air pressure.
Anyone ever install it in a shop?
My shop just has 100’ air hose on a reel, I have enough to drag it wherever I need. Shop is 40x40. I’d love to have air outlets. My next home will be outfitted with them at strategic locations, and near each door for airing up tires.
I plumbed my buddy’s shop in copper. It worked great for a decade or so, then he retired. I’d guess the new owner is probably still using them. I might do that again.
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Henry David Thoreau
This is a bit what I was babbling about,,, you dont need more "outlets", they are no good without a hose, you need another hose or a reel.My shop just has 100’ air hose on a reel, I have enough to drag it wherever I need. Shop is 40x40. I’d love to have air outlets. My next home will be outfitted with them at strategic locations, and near each door for airing up tires.
That stuff might be ok for home runs but when I got there would valve and change to metal, only need 2 connections on the pex line, one at each end.
This is a bit what I was babbling about,,, you dont need more "outlets", they are no good without a hose, you need another hose or a reel.
I use the black plastic semi truck air line in a larger industrial size with brass compression fittings. after 6 years i'm super happy with it. very easy to put together, way cheaper than the aluminum pipe systems. i'll be using it again.
Do you remember a brand or model of the line?
I'm still running air hose, three drops, two hose reels and a coil hose with a tool retract cable reel over the bench. I got the hose for free at the time, but I will eventually go to 1/2" M or maybe Maxline.
Tommy
So where is this 'danger' that folks keeps declaring? Somebody that uses sched20, puts it in full sun, and mounts it where it can be banged into?
what's 'dangerous' about it? 3/4" Sched40 PVC - available at any hardware store - has a burst pressure rating of over 1500psi. 10x the rating of the pressure relief valve on my compressor. btw, Type M copper is about 4200psi and costs $1/'. About 4x the price of PVC, and even higher when you add in fittings.
The only other potential problem is UV exposure, put it in the wall or paint it. Big whoop.
I'm building out my garage shop in Jan-Feb, will be using a french cleat to hang 20LF of upper cabinets. And guess what's going in the gap between wallboard and cabinet bodies? electrical conduit and my PVC air plumbing.
And I don't leave my system pressurized when I'm not actively using it.
So where is this 'danger' that folks keeps declaring? Somebody that uses sched20, puts it in full sun, and mounts it where it can be banged into?
THE MAKERS OF PVC TELL YOU NOT TO USE IT FOR COMPRESSED GASES.
Good enough for me. If you choose to use it and have a failure, you are on your own.
