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Daniel Dudley

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A lot of people here might not even know why this is incorrect. Please explain the proper usage of "a" and "an" when preceding a noun with a vowel or consonant.

Example. I know there's a hole in the ground. Don't be an a-hole.

Yet another excuse to get bent out of shape instead of practicing patience and manners.

And they wonder why we lurk out in garages. Well, it's 11 degrees. Time to get out there...

HA ! I crack me up. But I'm still going out. Have to get a ''measurer'' for my wife. :lol_hitti
 

Chris Stapley

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We actually spell mitre this way in Canada where it is proper English to do so,same with colour with a U and litre for gasoline etc...

If you want to find a miter saw, search the following:

Mitre saw
Chop saw
Chap saw

The thing about craigslist is that there is no 3rd party to edit the listings. It's whatever the poster places the post as. Sometimes, you gotta dig deep. Example, I got my Athol vise for 36 bucks because the guy had it posted as a "table clamp vice" in the home goods section.
 

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As for reading? My opinion is that many, many simply do NOT read books. Ask ten random friends and if they're truthful I'd be surprised if even half have read an entire book ANY time since high school and many didn't even read one then!

Unfortunately you are correct. The old style of teaching was to drill the mechanics of grammar into a student and have them practice it and combine it with reading in order to provide a good foundation for the language. The reading really cements the proper grammar into a student. I cannot diagram a sentence to save my life anymore but I know right from wrong when forming a sentence in most cases. I read a lot of books as a child and still enjoy reading to this day, which helped me immensely. Many of the people I graduated with, however, can barely read. They write in text speak and use horrible grammar and spelling.

I'm no grammar nazi but people who do not make an honest attempt at writing or speaking correctly drive me up the damn wall. I tutored in college to earn some extra money and dealing with the insanity of college students who could not read and write in a barely acceptable manner drove me to drink. We have all seen the posts that are a giant block of text with incomprehensible spelling and sentences that make absolutely no sense...that is what I had to deal with.
 

Dan in Pasadena

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Unfortunately you are correct. The old style of teaching was to drill the mechanics of grammar into a student and have them practice it and combine it with reading in order to provide a good foundation for the language. The reading really cements the proper grammar into a student. I cannot diagram a sentence to save my life anymore but I know right from wrong when forming a sentence in most cases. I read a lot of books as a child and still enjoy reading to this day, which helped me immensely. Many of the people I graduated with, however, can barely read. They write in text speak and use horrible grammar and spelling.

I'm no grammar nazi but people who do not make an honest attempt at writing or speaking correctly drive me up the damn wall. I tutored in college to earn some extra money and dealing with the insanity of college students who could not read and write in a barely acceptable manner drove me to drink. We have all seen the posts that are a giant block of text with incomprehensible spelling and sentences that make absolutely no sense...that is what I had to deal with.

I wondered if anyone would agree with my comment, thanks. I think many are embarrassed that they never read. They have all sorts of excuses but if you really never SEE the written word, how are you supposed to know proper for improper. Not that all printed material is correct, but my thought is more is still correct than not. Personally, I know pretty much squat from grade school grammar. I can't tell you what's a gerund or a dangling participle is but I CAN tell if so etching sounds right or not. And that's only because I read.
 

kelpaso1

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Out here in Atlantic Canada everybody calls lunch hour "dinner" WTF:lol_hitti
It's called "LUNCH" They also call supper "dinner". So when someone calls me and says they are bringing a snowblower or mower for me to fix after "Dinner" I have no clue if it will come in the afternoon or evening:dunno:
 

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Verbs!!! English has a wealth of verb tenses that convey when an event occurred, whether it is ongoing, hasn't yet occurred, and so on. Speech has mostly gotten so lazy today that everything is related in the present tense, or even present perfect. This can lead to true confusion about what the speaker is trying to say. The old fallback, "Oh, you know what I mean!" doesn't always apply, even when delivered with an eyeroll.
It's worse when this laziness spills over into writing, where the reader doesn't have the opportunity to interrupt with, "Wait, you mean...?"

Tense, baby, you're relaxed!
 
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ken w.

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Out here in Atlantic Canada everybody calls lunch hour "dinner" WTF:lol_hitti
It's called "LUNCH" They also call supper "dinner". So when someone calls me and says they are bringing a snowblower or mower for me to fix after "Dinner" I have no clue if it will come in the afternoon or evening:dunno:

In Vermont where my mothers side came from Dinner is at noon and supper is at 6:00 And sub sandwiches are grinders.
 

kelpaso1

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Told a lady one time she needed new tires. Her response: 'yeah, I been needin' to buy some new michigan radios'...After repeating it 3 times, it clicked in my head. Michelin radials :willy_nil

Not that I am perfect or a spelling/grammar natzi, but some I see here and other places on a daily basis:
defiantly--definitely
sale--sell
to--too
their-there-they're
your--you're
a--an

Nothing's funnier than to see someone say 'your a idiot' :beer:

You did it your self. It's Nazi :lol_hitti
 

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Cynicism aside, the English language has evolved extensively from its origins to the point where most present-day English speakers are unable to comprehend what was written as little as 1000 years ago. Try reading "Beowulf" in its original form, and you'll likely be completely bewildered:



Even Shakespeare's plays, written barely 400 years ago, are challenging for present-day readers:



And in fact, Shakespeare was considered decidedly low-brow in his time. Now we hold him up as perhaps the most important author in the entirety of English.

English is and has always been a language of continual change -- what you call butchery and bastardization, others call evolution. That's just English for you. There's no need to lament what is in fact the single defining element of English: that it is a dynamic, flexible, and malleable language.

Tangentially related: why don't they speak Latin in Italy?

You do know that Shakespeare was the only person to write like that? It was not a common thing 400 years ago as you imply and never was.

Have you ever read "Last exit to Brooklyn" by Hubert Selby?

Also considered a very good writer. No one wrote like him either.

Just because someone does something one way and people can understand it does not make it correct.
 

Jim B

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Nope. It's mustard. It's been "mustard" for over 100 years -- dating back to O.Henry's use of the phrase in "Cabbages and Kings" in 1904 (and possibly earlier). His use of the phrase may (or may not -- depends on who you ask) have been related to the phrase "pass muster" (there are many theories of how it came to be) but the phrase itself -- "cut the mustard" -- is definitely, positively correct.

http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/11/popular-idioms-explained/

"Like so many of our most intriguing phrases, the precise origin of ‘cutting’ the mustard has been lost over time..."

Seems open to some interpretation. Perhaps people have been getting it wrong for a 100 years. :eyecrazy:
 
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People misuse bring and take all the time as in, "I'm going to bring this to the repair shop." There is a situation where that would be the correct way to say it, but not in like, "Bring it over there."

But, we can't blame regional dialect for what seems wrong to others. For instance, New Englanders are always going to say "idear" and Mid Westerners are going to say "warsh." Southerners say "y'all" but the one that gets me is, "Would one y'all help me?"
 

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Some people in the mid-west use this word instead of sophomore. Apparently, it's been going on for over 100 years and I've even heard some radio announcers use it when broadcasting ball games.

It's not a proper word and has never been a proper word, regardless of the aforementioned theory of language evolution.
 

John Mc

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I expect little and get less from the public on Craigslist and eBay; some folks search for and get bargains from yokels who can't even spell 'anvil' and 'sawsall', and miss the search engines. More power to them.

Twice in the past month someone in the media has said politicians were "going to the mattresses" instead of "going to the mats" on an issue. That there is funny, I don't care who you are.
 

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Twice in the past month someone in the media has said politicians were "going to the mattresses" instead of "going to the mats" on an issue. That there is funny, I don't care who you are.

Maybe they know something that is going on that we don't (yet). Either the mattress, a bar or their favorite drug dealer.
 

68 Coupe

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"The vice is in good candishon, it just needs cleaned"
This was a CL post that I remember from about a year ago. I know a guy who sells a lot of things that "needs cleaned", however, the "vice" was not his.

Another that I have heard often "so I gets myself..." ie: "that screwdriver wasn't big enough, so I gets myself a big prybar"
 
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EVOLVO

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I've heard people in the PNW say something along the lines of "I'm going to call my lawyer" but it always sounds to me like their saying "liar", which is somewhat appropriate, I guess!
 

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My recollection from seeing it discussed somewhere is that "going to the mattresses" is an old New York Mafia term relating to gang warfare. A gang being attacked by rivals would stock up on food and pile up matresses in the house to absorb bullets.

KEH
 

Dan in Pasadena

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Anyone mention the use of the word you-uns? As in "Are you-uns gunna eat the rest of them there tator tots?"

This raises a question for those of you in the South (I guess).

I totally get that people in different regions speak differently. I like it, I think it's mostly charming - who'd want everyone to speak exactly the same? As long as I can understand who I'm speaking with and they can understand me, great.
What I DONT GET is the need to write the accent in a forum post like these.

Why writes "Y'all"? If I were speaking to you and you said this I'd clearly "get" that you have a regional accent. I know people of many colors, ethnicities and nationalities and I can't think of any of them that WRITE their accents Into their posts. Why do this?
 

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I expect little and get less from the public on Craigslist and eBay; some folks search for and get bargains from yokels who can't even spell 'anvil' and 'sawsall', and miss the search engines. More power to them.

Twice in the past month someone in the media has said politicians were "going to the mattresses" instead of "going to the mats" on an issue. That there is funny, I don't care who you are.

It's SawZall. As trademarked by Milwaukee.
 

Hencini

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Give me a brake.

Its time too close this tread.

Your making to big of a deal out of it.
 

Big Bad Dad

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This raises a question for those of you in the South (I guess).

I totally get that people in different regions speak differently. I like it, I think it's mostly charming - who'd want everyone to speak exactly the same? As long as I can understand who I'm speaking with and they can understand me, great.
What I DONT GET is the need to write the accent in a forum post like these.

Why writes "Y'all"? If I were speaking to you and you said this I'd clearly "get" that you have a regional accent. I know people of many colors, ethnicities and nationalities and I can't think of any of them that WRITE their accents Into their posts. Why do this?

I write "ya'll" because thats how I talk. It is really just about a word in itself for us. What do you write? "Youse guys"?? LOL
 
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