anti seize fetish?

[ssentt]

I have always used anti seize. My son says I have a anti seize fetish. I'm not offended...I love this stuff. I've always put it on lugnuts and on anything else I thought I might possibly have to take back apart later....except seating ball joints steering components etc.... Pretty much everything under the car exposed to rain, rust, road salt.

The old boy at the dealership tells my son not to put it on lugnuts cause it will cause lugnuts to be over tightened/torqued and stretched. Thus possible failure and injury to someone if their wheel was to fall off from broken/streched studs.

I've never heard of this. Anti seize is my friend why would it do this to me. Its like RED SOLO CUP....its my friend. I'm confused. LOL

I say "Anti Seize Fetish Lovers Unite"

Opinions?

 

[Andersonfarms]

Anti seize on all semi lug nuts and shafts etc. about every 5th project I have on the farm uses anti seize

 

[dirtmister16]

to my knowledge it is possible for all that to happen but in all likely hood is not as big a concern as it seems.


though i do know there can be a differnce with torque spec due to lubrication. i just act like its dry and torque to normal spec. then retorque after a short drive. never had a issue with it on anything ive owned.

dad uses it on the big rigs without question, all the trucks ect. you just gotta know where it applies.

 

[ken w.]

I worked at a BMW / Lincoln / Mercury dealer and we were fobidden to use anti seize or speedy dry. Anti seize is hard to remove from seats and carpets. I use it on most lug nuts.

 

[TruckMechanic]

I use it on just about everything. I have put it Heavy Truck lugs/studs for years and never had a problem, but we do retorque lugs every 2500 miles.

 

[SlowPoke-Canada]

wet torque vs dry torque can cause issues in certain applications.
I can't vouch for the data on this chart... just did a quick search but you can see the variances. Nothing wrong with anti seize in most cases, just compensate for it.

http://mobilebridges.tpub.com/TM-55-1945-205-24-4/css/TM-55-1945-205-24-4_743.htm

 

[woody 73]

The Commercial goes...Franks Red Hot "I put that **** on everything"! Well I put it on most things and the guys scream the lug nuts will never torque right; that may be but getting them off sure makes things easy for me.

 

[ssentt]

My feeling is the benefit of using anti seize on lugnuts outweighs any concerns of problems it may cause. I do think it is a good idea to apply the anti seize very sparingly to the lugnut and not the stud, and to try to not get any anti seize on the contact point between the end of the lug & where it seats in the rim lug recesses. I only dab a little inside the nut.

I see this is coming up in the tread "how do I torque a bolt that keeps "snapping"?

 

[Provincial]

The outfit that insists that there be no use of anti-seize on lug nuts is the same one that overtightens them with an impact wrench, then charges you for replacing the studs and nuts when they shear off/gall because of lack of lubrication and rust.

The lug nuts/studs of hub-piloted wheels on heavy trucks will not survive without anti-seize. Budd wheel lugs hold up better, but still do much better when lubricated. I never found any evidence of lug nuts loosening because of lubrication. If you keep track of torque when tightening wheel nuts, you'll never shear off a stud from overtightening.

 

[picshooter]

Disposable latex gloves are your friend when using anti seize.

 

[sberry]

I almost never use it,, only hot work. However we do use common spray on EVERYTHING with threads going back together, almost every bolt or nut here gets a lite lube. Use a lot of it a couple drops at a time.

 

[#1SomeGuy]

I've always been of the camp that anti-seize does not go on lug nuts. I use it on a lot of other things like suspension/steering components though.

 

[pipsters]

Technically lug nuts are supposed to be dry. In reality the change in clamping force is easily handled by the large threads IMO.

 

[sberry]

No, they really shouldnt be dry. You can never tell how tight a dry bolt is, you can tell when its stopped turning. I believe a big reason they went to all this dry torque spec is so little of the workforce actually understands how a bolt works.

 

[LEVE]

I had never used it till I moved to the Midwest and attempted to take off a Caravan rotor after my first winter. It was rusted to the hub. I actually broke the rotor getting it off.

Once learned... it wasn't going to be twice burned. After that, anti-seize was used liberally. Now that I'm back west I still use it and preach it to those I know. Yep, it's great stuff...

 

[Buckgnarly]

I use it on EVERYTHING I can here in the salt band, except lug nuts. I rotate my tires enough for them to not get rusted on.

 

[redwrench60]

The problem comes when Ricky Bobby slobbers down lug studs in anti seize then rips them down with the latest Snap-Rand top fuel impact wrench and breaks/stretches/damages them. It's easy to do with the lubracating properties of anti seize. BTW I use lots of seize' myself, even on tools like puller pressure screws.

 

[AbitNutz]

I use it. I over use it. I wear Nitrile 9 mil gloves from HF (the greatest disposable gloves I have ever used). It still gets allover everything. I can use it in December in my garage and find it stuck to a bedroom ceiling in October when we repaint. It's like anti-seizing poison ivy.

 

[Haukur]

I've been accused of over using anti-seize. I say hosh posh, anti-seize is awesome, I might even try it in the bedroom.

I use it on all bolts that thread into metal and do not take loctite. I put it on the back of brake discs so they don't freeze on the hub, works great.

We use huge amounts of anti-seize in the marine and machine world. There are always tubes of aluminum, copper and stainless anti-seize in my cantilever toolbox. I grab tubes of stainless steel assembly pastes when I go to work on stainless installations, food-grade and regular.

 

[sberry]

I will agree there are places for it but I hate the mess in general work and all that is needed is some lube so it doesn't dry seize upon installation, reduce the friction a little. Even WD40. Breakaway, Kroil is perfect for lug nuts. Its ideal for most common threaded fastener applications, common engine type bolts. You can feel the difference in test running some nuts.

We are in an environment where we re do our work, rust belt, the use of common spray has reduced our bolt seizure problems to about zip. Signed,,, farmer that can make a can of never seize last 10 yrs,,, however use 2 cases of spray a year.

 

[marineengineer]

on the ships i work on we use anti seize with cuppernickel shavings in it then the gray stuff that is common and molly paste all work well but have their specific use. Wee just started to use spray molly lubricant and it is even better less mess and seems to work well

 

[mech-tech]

Just don't get the stuff in your eyes or you'll never sees again

Sorry, I couldn't resist

 

[ssentt]

I never use loads of it, but a little dab is all a person needs. Oxygen sensors seem to a great place for a dab for sure. I have an old tube of fel pro that is copper based...c5a or something like that. I know there are different formulas but the cooper base is all I've ever used....with good results might I add. I even will smear a thin coat on the back of aluminum rims where it seats against the steel rotor to prevent galding of the two different metals.

 

[cryan]

Ah! I'm finally amongst friends!, lol I have been called, "Copaslip Chris," in the past I have two pet hates: Dry gaskets and dry threads. There are times when you should not use too much lubrication on threads but in these cases the instruction manual will state that you shouldn't. Quite often in these cases the manual will give you an alternative for example I have seen large marine diesel cylinder head nuts that use hydraulic stretching state that you should not use anti seize/copaslip/molyslip but that you should use a very thin solution of sump oil and molyslip. I work on the theory that if the manual says nothing- lubricate it! Especially in my environment(marine) where corrosion is always a loosing battle.

BTW, the issue with torque and grease/anti seize/copaslip etc. is not over tightening but under tightening. When tightening a thread the thread can act like a hydraulic pump. if the lubricant is too thick you can hydraulically lock the thread and so what you think is 100lb/ft might only be like 90lb/ft. This is why anti seize compounds are usually thinner in viscosity than standard greases.
The copper in the compound is also a great shield against corrosion. I have been known to thin down a tiny amount of copaslip in WD40 and paint it on things I don't want lubricated as such but when the WD40 evaporates/dries it leaves behind the copper granuals and oily residue which gives great protection even in salt water environments.

 

[The Ratchet Man]

Just don't get the stuff in your eyes or you'll never sees again

Sorry, I couldn't resist

 

[oldtools]

http://www.permatex.com/resources/faqs/answers/5-lubricants

"Does Permatex® suggest applying anti-seize to lubricate lug nuts when installing or tightening the nuts?
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Permatex® does not recommend the use of any anti-seize product on wheel studs. Many people have used anti-seize for this applications, however, there is the potential for over-torqueing and therefore, higher clamp loads and potentially dangerous bolt stretch. Because of the lubricity of anti-seize, there is a tendency to over-tighten because of the ease with which the nut will bear down on the lug. For this reason, even if you try to torque the nuts to factory specs, the clamp load may become too high depending on the type of bolt, size and manufacturer."

 

[Steinmetz]

I have always used anti seize. My son says I have a anti seize fetish. I'm not offended...I love this stuff. I've always put it on lugnuts and on anything else I thought I might possibly have to take back apart later....except seating ball joints steering components etc.... Pretty much everything under the car exposed to rain, rust, road salt.

The old boy at the dealership tells my son not to put it on lugnuts cause it will cause lugnuts to be over tightened/torqued and stretched. Thus possible failure and injury to someone if their wheel was to fall off from broken/streched studs.

I've never heard of this. Anti seize is my friend why would it do this to me. Its like RED SOLO CUP....its my friend. I'm confused. LOL

I say "Anti Seize Fetish Lovers Unite"

Opinions?

I use it quite frequently, and calculate a new torque value if the published value specifies dry threads.

 

[Elvenhome21]

I use it on just about everything on the front end of a car/truck thats a PITA to get off once its rusted. Lug nuts, wheel center ring, inside of brake rotor that touchs the center ring, brake slider bolts (only because Ive yet to find a grease that does as good of a job as antiseize). Any bolt that goes into aluminum gets a good glob on the threads. Heck anti seize works wonders on squeaky rubber bushings to. Grease just softens the rubber vs antisieze doesnt seem to affect the rubber at all. Same goes for radiator hoses, I can stand fighting with stuck hoses, you always seem to rip/tear the hose when fighting with it.

 

[Wakefield]

I usually use anti seize on my car's lugs and I torque to the Minimum value. Might check for loose ones a month later or before a long trip.
I had encountered lugs after inspections or something put on with airguns that were much much tighter even to the point that the lug snapped off when I had to put some force on it trying to loosen.
Perhaps it is legal boilerplate to say that you should never use antiseize on lugs?

 

[RECox286]

I am also an advocate for anti-seize compound, but when it comes to

lug nuts, IF the threads are clean, sharp and in good shape, then I don't

use any, however, if the threads are in well used shape, (rusty, dirty, etc)

then I clean the threads with a tap and die set, apply compound to the

male threads only, and being careful to not get any on the cone of the nut,

zing 'em on with my air gun. Never had any trouble doing it this way,

no snapped studs, broken wheels, wheels that leave the car...nothing.

Uncle Bob

 

[Pumpman1968]

I have used it on the lugs on heavy equipment but have heard both sides of it. On cars, I ALWAYS lather a bit on the backside of aluminum rims so they don't seize to the drum/rotor. I hate beating something off with a hammer when a little lube at the last service would have prevented it. At 45, I wanna work smarter.........not harder.

 

[JSBriggs]

I love how if you get the slightest bit on your finger, it gets EVERYWHERE, and doesn't come off easily.

-Jeff

 

[BK13]

I have always used anti seize. My son says I have a anti seize fetish. I'm not offended...I love this stuff. I've always put it on lugnuts and on anything else I thought I might possibly have to take back apart later....except seating ball joints steering components etc.... Pretty much everything under the car exposed to rain, rust, road salt.

The old boy at the dealership tells my son not to put it on lugnuts cause it will cause lugnuts to be over tightened/torqued and stretched. Thus possible failure and injury to someone if their wheel was to fall off from broken/streched studs.

I've never heard of this. Anti seize is my friend why would it do this to me. Its like RED SOLO CUP....its my friend. I'm confused. LOL

I say "Anti Seize Fetish Lovers Unite"

Opinions?

No wonder he's always breaking tools!

 

[JMcFly]

I put it on the face of a disc brake so wheels won't corrode onto them.

 

[devilsnight]

I've attended a few wheel and tire seminars over the last couple year, One of the strongest points made was Do Not! use anti sieze on wheel studs. You loose a tremendous amount of clamping force b/c of it. I'd have to pull the binder out of my locker to get the specifics but, our shop forbids it. The problem I see with it also is everything sticks to antiseize, dust and pebles.... Its hard to get the studs clean after someone put that junk on. I work on class 8 trucks.

 

[SM Racing]

I love me some anti-seize. It has all kinds of uses. I always use it on Lugnuts. Of course I use a torque wrench to tighten wheels. There will be no impacts used in my shop to tighten lugs beyond snug. I don't allow torque sticks either. If you can't take the time to do it right, go back to the tire store.

I have even cut the top off the jar to get every last bit of the stuff in the jar, especially when the brush breaks off the cap.

 

[cryan]

The problem I see with it also is everything sticks to antiseize, dust and pebles.... Its hard to get the studs clean after someone put that junk on.

WD40 and a rag will clean most stuff, a wire brush will get them spotless.
I personally use a thin oil and anti seize mix on my wheel nuts. but not every time they're off just if they are a bit dry.

 

[E.Marquez]

Anti seize,anaerobic thread locker (of the correct grade) or a specified lube goes on every threaded fastener. Preventing galling, lubing where spec,ed, locking or just sealing the threads IS THE RIGHT WAY, far as I'm concerned. 40 plus years of anecdotal evidence supports my opinion. Though I'm sure some expert will say otherwise.

 

[mebuildit]

I work in the missile defense area now, but have worked in aerospace for 27 years. We use anti seize on everything. You get a more accurate torque reading everytime. Plus if you read about ARP fasteners, their product is very repeatable and anti seize makes life easier down the road. Just remember to use the copper stuff on spark plugs, since the silver doesn't have enough condutivity in it for use as a ground. Don't ask me how I know that one...lol
We use just about every type of anti seize here at work. From moly, to super exotic stuff. You don't need a lot on the fastener, there is a spec for that as well. 1/16th wide on the first 4-6 threads if memory serves me right.

 

[Spudland_Dave]

I use it on EVERYTHING I can here in the salt band, except lug nuts. I rotate my tires enough for them to not get rusted on.

Everything and anything I can, LOVE The stuff, have various brands, formulation, and even aerosol Anti-Sieze...I love it that much....
Yes Lugs included...its not hard to tell things I've taken apart before...they come apart easily with no swear words involved.