Aiming the flame of a torch into the bore of those lock cylinders for a few seconds would make them pretty easy to remove.Getting these collum locks out is not easy also- ill let them soak a few days.
Better now?
Hmm.Im stuck here- I've heated them, pounding the **** out of them, even tried using a socket and in a vise. They dont move!!
Any suggestions- how hot can I get them without risking the cast iron?
Hmm.
Are all four stuck?
Yes all four- will not budge. Ill keep at it will put some time in this weekend and report back. Appreciate the reply.


Definitely swelling- they will not go back in that's for sure. Of course, my digital calipers battery dead- but ill take some measurements for the heck of it.Generally that would be corrosion buildup, or in this case, possibly swelling from the cracking, but inquiring minds...
4/12/2021
Today, I made a new version of the pin spanner. This one is less clunky than the first. I had all the parts with may be recognizable.
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I have a lot of respect for Mr Pete, but I think he really missed the boat on his removal tool. It's way too complicated to make for most of us.After watching a mrpete222 video on Removing Drill Press Chucks (skip to 3:33) I dug around a bit more and found this 1974 Jacobs catalog on the http://vintagemachinery.org/ website. Looking at the highlighted image on the front, I'm thinking that this could certainly be a Jacobs 633C chuck. (now replaced by the Jacobs 34-33C)
Below are a couple of pin spanners I made a few years ago using only a drill press with materials I had on hand. You may recognize repurposed Craftsman parts in the second photo. I did have to buy set screws with FULL dog points. The larger spanner has an 8mm set screw, the smaller has a 5/16-18 set screw. I've used them both many times on frequently stubborn chucks.
Back in early 2021, the forum was migrated to a new software platform. My photos from a hosting site were a casualty. New forum edit limit rules prevented me from back-filling the affected posts.The first several pages of photos don't show up for me, latter pages do though.
Griff
Feel free to post photos here and ask questions as you go.Gotcha, thanks, is there another place to access those photos? I ask because I have two older Craftsman drill presses that I'm looking to restore. Seems like they'd be a great resource.
Griff




Welcome Matthew![Edit: Just found a whole playlist from Jeff on a badly rusted Emerson 150, what a legend! That likely makes some of my questions below out of date already.]
[Edit 2: Jeff's one also has one broken off screw preventing the normal motor plate removal - this playlist is like a personalized training guide to fixing my 150! Its spooky how close it is...]
Happy New Year!
I have custom hardware kits here:Forgive this rambling story, and I would love your advice (please skip to the questions at the end if its too long!).
Last December I thought I had found a bargain - a mildly rusted modern Harbor Freight 1/2 HP 16 speed floor drill press for $100. The seller even tried to cheat me by telling me I had to also buy a grinder for $50 after I showed up*. However, when I packed it up I included the vise on it, which I may have forgotten to mention was worth a lot more than the drill.
I got it home and was getting it ready for service by cleaning, de-rusting with Backyard Ballistics' brew, buying new belts, lubricated, etc. However, I was complaining to my neighbor at a New Year's party about its overall poor build quality, like its loose quill, unbalanced-from-the-factory motor pulley (and motor!), and they offered me their old drill press they rarely used for free on the spot. It turned out to be a dirty and rusty Craftsman 150 late model 113.24511 missing its quill lock. I was sad to see no multi-speed attachment as I work with metal, but I figured it would be good to maybe 1/2" in stainless anyway. I got it home and by looking under the motor discovered a speed control that my neighbor never knew was there! The motor is a Craftsman 113.23440 50-5000 RPM variable speed 1/2 HP!
Apart from the missing quill lock, the quill has very little play, the bearings spin okay, and castings are crack and pit free in pretty decent condition. I have applied Seafoam Deep Creep to most rusted fasteners and the base column head joints while starting to learn as much as I can about restoring and caring for it.
I am planning a full strip down and refurb, likely with repaint, as I have to clean decades of filth and moderate rusting off it anyway. Despite reading this thread, and watching Jeff's shop's detailed YouTube playlists, I have some beginner questions I'm sure you have had to answer a bunch of times already. I hope you don't mind me asking as well:
1. Does someone sell a fastener kit? I have snapped one of the X-205 Cap Screw 5/16-18-3/4 Hex Head bolts, and
New zinc plated hardware can be made to look old by soaking them in vinegar for a week. The plating will dissolve. I used this technique when I wanted to Perma-Blue some parts.the idea of one very visible shiny bolt with the rest original makes me sad.
Your head lock cylinders may be rusted in place which may prevent the head from moving. IMO, use a jack as a last resort.2. I can't separate or even move the head or base yet from the column. How firm should I get with the deadblow hammer, or should I move to heat (and ice) after stripping all other parts? Stand it in rust remover for a day or two? All the videos show the head coming loose pretty easily.<- Jeff's careful video looks perfect for my situation!
Your machine was manufactured sometime between 1962 and 1966. It's at least 60 years old. IMO, it's time to replace the bearings... especially due to the overall condition of the machine.3. Should I replace the bearings while I have everything apart?
The spindle pulley bearings are 6205; 25mm bore x 52mm OD x 15mm wide. I only use shielded bearings for the spindle pulley.I have pullers/presses etc. and I see bearing kits on eBay. However they seem to be no-name bearings and I am not 100% sure if there are a bunch of subtlety different Craftsman models to beware of. Any gotchas, or known good options from a real bearing company like SKF/NSK/etc.?
I've never found a close match for the dark gray. I always recommend to use a color you like.4. Paint matching. I have most of a can of Rustoleum Hammered Gray which is mentioned a few times as a match for the Emerson 150's, but if there is a better color I'll jump at the chance to make it more authentic.
There's not a lot of info on that motor. I had that same motor long ago. It was not running and I could not get it going. I ended up scrapping it.5. Cleaning and rebuilding the motor - I have found almost no documentation at all for the 113.23440 motor except for a guide to belt settings on various machines including drill presses and a blurry exploded parts list on PartSelect! Any good videos or text guides that might apply to this one or a similar one?
Start with mineral spirits to clean off dirt and grease. Then use Meguiar's Cleaner wax to clean up what left. Test on a small section first.I'm particularly worried about carefully cleaning the motor control panel plate, and losing none of that beautiful type.
Ramble on!Sorry for the ramble and list of questions, but rescuing one of these for my shop seems well worth a week or two, and something to pass on eventually to another.
Matthew
Awesome! Instead of sending photos back to the seller, post them here where they'll be appreciated.[* Jokes on them, the grinder they forced to buy if I wanted the HF drill press was a 1 HP Craftsman Block 8" grinder on original pedestal in great condition, just very dirty! I looked unhappy but reluctantly agreed that the pair for $150 was still worth it to me. I should send them photos of it cleaned up and screenshots of some sold in a couple of auctions for far more than $50, but they would probably demand more money and argue etc....]
New zinc plated hardware can be made to look old by soaking them in vinegar for a week. The plating will dissolve. I used this technique when I wanted to Perma-Blue some parts.
Great tip, thanks!You can also strip the zinc off in muratic acid in a minute or two. The zinc changes the muratic to zinc chloride (once the muratic stops reacting...) which can be used for soldering brass. we used to do this all the time for radiators, back when they were actual brass...
- Great! I have started a private conversation about the bits I think I'll needI have custom hardware kits here:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/craftsman-drill-press.227480/page-143#post-11436471
And several quill locks in this thread:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/fs-craftsman-80-100-150-drill-press-parts-more.474833/
- A sound plan, and thanks for the sizing info. It looks like there are four bearings, two pulley and two quill?Your machine was manufactured sometime between 1962 and 1966. It's at least 60 years old. IMO, it's time to replace the bearings... especially due to the overall condition of the machine.
- Gloss on tools, apart from matching original motor paint, is definitely not my favorite either! Pity about the color match, I'll try to find some color photos of one as I think hammered grey seems not right.I've never found a close match for the dark gray. I always recommend to use a color you like.
My personal preference for sheen is matte or satin. I'm not a fan of gloss.
- Well, I'll let you know about it as I go, might put it in its own thread sometime to make it easier to find for other folks. Maybe I can find some OEM documentation as I am sure they used it for more than Craftsman.There's not a lot of info on that motor. I had that same motor long ago. It was not running and I could not get it going. I ended up scrapping it.
- Will do!Awesome! Instead of sending photos back to the seller, post them here where they'll be appreciated.
- I have done so, I'm in West Lafayette, INWhere are you located? Please update your GJ profile with your general location.
Yeah, probably.Did I ruin my bearings by soaking them in simple green?
I was soaking some parts and forgot to remove them? They felt great so was not planning to replace at this time. Ugh.
The spindle pulley bearings are 6205; 25mm bore x 52mm OD x 15mm wide. I only use shielded bearings for the spindle pulley.I have pullers/presses etc. and I see bearing kits on eBay. However they seem to be no-name bearings and I am not 100% sure if there are a bunch of subtlety different Craftsman models to beware of. Any gotchas, or known good options from a real bearing company like SKF/NSK/etc.?
The quill/spindle bearings are 6202-5/8; 5/8" bore x 35mm OD x 11mm wide. I only use sealed bearings for the quill/spindle.
There are many sources for bearings. I buy bearings from www.JSBGreatBearings.com. Most of their stock is from PRC, but I've never had any issues with their house brand. They do have Nachi, SKF and others in some sizes.
Did I ruin my bearings by soaking them in simple green?
The lubricating oil in at old grease is probably long gone and carrier that's left has turned to wax. So likely you have Simple Green impregnated wax. I think it would be very difficult to clear that out now with the shields on. I would not reuse them.
You should be able to remove all organic materials with a hot lye soak, maybe in a USC. Then its a matter of getting an appropriate grease/lube into the bearings. Maybe a simple soak if its an oil or if grease, get the grease hot and liquidy, and soak in it. they are shielded, not sealed so should work.
Seals are often easily removed, shields not so much...
Good idea- Ill probably order news one but while im waiting i might as well see if I can save these.
Right now im looking for both the spindle and pulley bearings- so many choices, I think I remember a recommended link someone posted but I cant find it.
Found them from Frank. ThanksFranklee mentioned at least some of them up thread in this same page:
Craftsman Drill Press
The sleeves in the lift look like Zamac also- is that why they are hard to get out? Well, my swag is that they were greased at the factory. Over the last 50 to 80 years, dirt and that grease solidified and cemented them in place. It is very common even with the steel cylinders.www.garagejournal.com
Below is why I use shielded bearings for the spindle pulley. (I don't buy from Accurate Bearing any longer.)Another quick bearing question, @FrankLee , you mentioned preferring metal shields on the top two and rubber in the quill. From the look of the SKF bearings specs the rubber shields are massively over-spec for speeds already. Do the metal shields last longer and being under the pulley "hat" they don't get much dirt or dust on them?
[Trying to resist spending faaaaar too much money on ABEC5 bearings for the top of a drill press where they will be completely and utterly wasted.....]


In typical Garage Journal fashion, overkill is standard, standard is substandard and substandard is ridiculed.


Always keep the table snugged up or blocked up under the head at all times while the head-lock is released! Or install a pipe clamp collar around the column. I did neither and nearly paid for it.
Wow, glad you're ok and hopefully your machine.PSA: The motor-mount stud can lock the head on to the column if installed wrong
If the motor mount stud, the rod at the bottom of the motor mount, part 40, has been incorrectly screwed all the way back down its hole it can lock the head to the column. When removed, it will release the head which could (and did!) fall unexpectedly.
Always keep the table snugged up or blocked up under the head at all times while the head-lock is released! Or install a pipe clamp collar around the column. I did neither and nearly paid for it.
Through great good fortune I was not hurt, and neither was the drill. I had previously moved the table to the side, and the head fell on the table as shown, flat base to flat table, meaning the chuck/quill/spindle did not hit either the table or the floor! The casting even missed the chuck key, as its walls went either side of it in its hole! You can even still see my wrench on the stud hex head after it dropped.
I have double checked the manual and looked around the internet, and under normal use the stud is adjusted for length by screwing it in and out to tension the belt. It is then locked in position against the head casting by tightening nut 39 against the head casting. It should never be backed into its hole and locked against the column.
However, the hole for the stud goes through the head casting into the column area. My guess is that as blind holes are expensive and tricky it was far cheaper and easier to make a through hole and they simply drove it straight through.
This all came about while I was stripping my rusty Craftsman 150. The head refused to move at all even after pounding when the lock handle had been removed. I misdiagnosed this as the head casting being rusted to the column. However, In my case the stud had been incorrectly bolted into its hole until the end wedged against the column, locking it in place. I had just successfully extracted a broken-off bolt locking a motor mount support rod in place. To do that I loosened the head lock to get the handle out the way. I was so happy to successfully extract the screw, I forgot to tighten it, so when I loosened the motor stud the head suddenly dropped.
I need to check it over again carefully for cracks when it is off the column, but fingers crossed it was nothing but a loud noise.
Hopefully my mistake helps someone else avoid making their own.
Matthew



