Enderes Tool back in business!

[Steve_O]

we use it to open up hatch opening, and open cowlings. And many many misc uses. I will upload pictures from tomm. Right now its nite time in NYC so the pictures I will take will not come clear. Thanks for joining this form again. I can wait to give you my money

I will definitely hang around and try to answer any questions that I can and try to learn what I can about what you guys want.

If nothing else, I really appreciate all of the positive comments. It makes all of the work and effort worthwhile.

It sounds like next week I had better order 2000 handles for the full size 2-1 reversible screwdriver. I will keep everyone posted. You guys will have first crack at the first ones off of the line

 

[Chamkila]

We all love this blade setup, notice how flat it is?

Steve if you can make something like this, you will sell it like hot cakes. It sells for a few pennies on ebay.

Here is a quick one I found on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-SDD...527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2f46152f

 

[bonneyman]

Hats off to you, sir, for bringing an American tool icon back from the dead.
I've used Enderes for many years (mostly the 6-in-1) in HVAC work. One driver handles both size hex screws and then 4 blades of screwdriver. When my original one wore out, I couldn't find another, so, I opted for what was available (probably foreign-outsourced0. It was too soft. The tips would bend and/or wear out easily. Finally found an Enderes used at a yard sale. Still have that one. And I have a pocket 2-in-1 for thermostat screws.

I just found out Malco will cease production of their bulletproof drivers (with the funny orange handle) due to Chinese production costs. Guess I will be buying more Enderes!

 

[bonneyman]

We all love this blade setup, notice how flat it is?

Steve if you can make something like this, you will sell it like hot cakes. It sells for a few pennies on ebay.

Here is a quick one I found on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-SDD...527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2f46152f

That is a darn nice S-O driver, by the way. I like my old VACO, but, that handle looks really comfy.

 

[Chamkila]

That is a darn nice S-O driver, by the way. I like my old VACO, but, that handle looks really comfy.

It is the most comfortable handle i have ever used. Back in the day when Snap On was still selling them they were at MOST $20 dollars a pop. Look at them now.

I wish Enderes will somehow make something similar to this if they can without getting in trouble.

 

[Steve_O]

We all love this blade setup, notice how flat it is?

Steve if you can make something like this, you will sell it like hot cakes. It sells for a few pennies on ebay.

Here is a quick one I found on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-SDD...527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2f46152f

I really don't see any problem with making something like this. The biggest problem that I would see is I don't think I could possibly justify charging that much money for it. Tapering the slotted blade back farther would not be a particular problem if you like it that way.

So let's just say that it's a "given" that we will be making full size reversible blade screwdrivers again. It also sounds like many of you would like a "higher end", "more precision" blade. Other than a longer taper on the slotted blade, what do you want that our screwdrivers don't offer now ?

What is a good length blade or would you like to see different lengths ?

Do you want multiple blades like the snap on ? If so, what types and sizes do you want to see ?

What about the handle ? We could continue to offer the handle that we had been using (far left) or we could use one of our other handles

Left to Right
#1- Current full size 2-1 screwdriver handle. Out of stock, 3 wk delivery time
#2- Same size handle as above, same color and material as our fixed blades
#3- Handle used on our 4-1/6-1 s/d's. Six flute rather than four, A little larger size, barrel shaped. Many feel that it is easier to grip
#4- Cushion grip handle yellow
#5- Cushion grip handle red
Some other design ?

My feeling is that we would bring back the 0927 (smaller) and 0929 (larger) as they were.

If there is enough interest, I would consider making a multi bit version like the snap on. Let me know what you think

 

[Chamkila]

I really don't see any problem with making something like this. The biggest problem that I would see is I don't think I could possibly justify charging that much money for it. Tapering the slotted blade back farther would not be a particular problem if you like it that way.
Yes, I am sure you will sell more of those then the option you have now.
So let's just say that it's a "given" that we will be making full size reversible blade screwdrivers again. It also sounds like many of you would like a "higher end", "more precision" blade. Other than a longer taper on the slotted blade, what do you want that our screwdrivers don't offer now ?
Yes we would like to have a higher end blade, but steve be careful, the higher you try to make it you will have to charge more fore it. If you really ask me anywhere between 8-10 dollars is a justifiable price, but then again I`m talking about aviation mechanics point of view.

What is a good length blade or would you like to see different lengths ?
I can send you the specs for both the Snap On ones that we have and the xcelite ones that I have so you know where to start, let me know if you would like the info on those.

Do you want multiple blades like the snap on ? If so, what types and sizes do you want to see ?
I have no input on this because we mostly use flat and Phillips

What about the handle ? We could continue to offer the handle that we had been using (far left) or we could use one of our other handles

The closer to the snap on hard handle ones the better. But again cost and patent right are things you might have to worry about. The current handle you have are nice.

Left to Right
#1- Current full size 2-1 screwdriver handle. Out of stock, 3 wk delivery time
#2- Same size handle as above, same color and material as our fixed blades
#3- Handle used on our 4-1/6-1 s/d's. Six flute rather than four, A little larger size, barrel shaped. Many feel that it is easier to grip
#4- Cushion grip handle yellow
#5- Cushion grip handle red
Some other design ?

My feeling is that we would bring back the 0927 (smaller) and 0929 (larger) as they were.

If there is enough interest, I would consider making a multi bit version like the snap on. Let me know what you think

Handle used on our 4-1/6-1 s/d's. Six flute rather than four, A little larger size, barrel shaped. Many feel that it is easier to grip, just some input on this. Try to make the shank or insert you guys call it more stronger and thicker if you can. We dont like flex on the shanks and we are all afraid it will shatter and break and poke out our eyes, (that is only when we are using the screwdriver for prying or other non approved ways to use a screwdriver

 

[jeffmoss26]

I like the handles as they were (red) or the black and clear.

 

[metaldad]

How about some big handles, without a shank, to be repurposed by the end user?

 

[Steve_O]

How about some big handles, without a shank, to be repurposed by the end user?

What kind of handle are you looking for ?
What size ?
What do you want to use them for ?
Other than the handes shown, I have several sizes of the clear and black fixed blade screwdrivers handles. They seem to work fairly well as file handles.
The only larger handle than our fixed blade 3/8" handle would be our bent tip pry bar handles. They are going to have a 3/8" hex hole in them.
Some of the handles are made of a harder plastic and don't "stretch" very well when pressing something into them. Others have more give. It depends on what you are looking for.

 

[Steve_O]

I like the handles as they were (red) or the black and clear.

Jeff, we will get you your standard full size 2-1's
I will keep you posted
Steve

 

[reptilezs]

What kind of handle are you looking for ?
What size ?
What do you want to use them for ?
Other than the handes shown, I have several sizes of the clear and black fixed blade screwdrivers handles. They seem to work fairly well as file handles.
The only larger handle than our fixed blade 3/8" handle would be our bent tip pry bar handles. They are going to have a 3/8" hex hole in them.
Some of the handles are made of a harder plastic and don't "stretch" very well when pressing something into them. Others have more give. It depends on what you are looking for.

many of us do custom handle mods on our ratchets. some inspiration http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96359 http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99005

 

[metaldad]

What kind of handle are you looking for ?
What size ?
What do you want to use them for ?
Other than the handes shown, I have several sizes of the clear and black fixed blade screwdrivers handles. They seem to work fairly well as file handles.
The only larger handle than our fixed blade 3/8" handle would be our bent tip pry bar handles. They are going to have a 3/8" hex hole in them.
Some of the handles are made of a harder plastic and don't "stretch" very well when pressing something into them. Others have more give. It depends on what you are looking for.

many of us do custom handle mods on our ratchets. some inspiration http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96359 http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99005

yep. like these:

 

[Steve_O]

Handle used on our 4-1/6-1 s/d's. Six flute rather than four, A little larger size, barrel shaped. Many feel that it is easier to grip, just some input on this. Try to make the shank or insert you guys call it more stronger and thicker if you can. We dont like flex on the shanks and we are all afraid it will shatter and break and poke out our eyes, (that is only when we are using the screwdriver for prying or other non approved ways to use a screwdriver

One advantage that I have over the "old" Enderes or most any other manufacturer, for that matter, is that I also have a complete machine shop at my disposal. I have owned and operated a machine shop for the last 30 years. We have manual lathes and mills as well as CNC (computerized) equipment. While Enderes is used to mass producing things, I have been custom manufacturing in much smaller quantities and to much higher tolerances than Enderes could have ever done. I see it as the "best of both worlds". If there is something that we want to put into full production, we can tool up and run it at the plant. If I want to make a smaller quantity of something to "test the waters" , especially if it's a machined or fabricated part, I can run it in my other shop until we are ready to build permanent tooling.

 

[Chamkila]

Steve Sign me up if the shanks are going to be similar to that of the Snap on ones. I can buy 10 minimum.

 

[Steve_O]

Steve Sign me up if the shanks are going to be similar to that of the Snap on ones. I can buy 10 minimum.

What size are they ? They look like 1/4 or 5/16 square. Our shank is 1/4" hex. I like the hex for a number of reasons, but one is that it is actually smaller corner to corner than the same sized square shank

 

[Chamkila]

I'm off Monday and Tuesday I will get back to you with specs wed. First thing

 

[Biomed]

We all love this blade setup, notice how flat it is?

Steve if you can make something like this, you will sell it like hot cakes. It sells for a few pennies on ebay.

Here is a quick one I found on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-SDD...527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2f46152f

Nobody is a bigger Snap-on snob for the old retired stuff like the SDDD44 screwdrivers than me. Having said that, if there was such a market in the avionics community (who Snap-on does cater to) then why did SO discontinue the SDDD44? Snap-on even discontinued the screwdriver blades for the SGDMRC4 soft-grip ratcheting screwdrivers. Must be a reason. When I inquired shortly after the soft-grip ratcheting screwdriver blades were discontinued I was told by product managers that sales were poor and cost to manufacture was too high.

What's the fascination or utility of a square shank screwdriver blade? I'd love to see Enderes make something similar to the old SO SDDD44 but I cannot see the advantage of a square shank. Many screws I drive at work are accessed through holes or bezels where a square shank would not pass.

What size are they ? They look like 1/4 or 5/16 square. Our shank is 1/4" hex. I like the hex for a number of reasons, but one is that it is actually smaller corner to corner than the same sized square shank

For reference, the Snap-on SDDD42/44 blade sizes were:
SDDD42-1A 1/4" x #2 phillips
SDDD44-1A 3/16" x #1 phillips
SDDD44-2A 5/16" x #3 phillips
SDDD44-A4 T-15 x T-20 Torx

 

[neophyte]

Nobody is a bigger Snap-on snob for the old retired stuff like the SDDD44 screwdrivers than me. Having said that, if there was such a market in the avionics community (who Snap-on does cater to) then why did SO discontinue the SDDD44? Snap-on even discontinued the screwdriver blades for the SGDMRC4 soft-grip ratcheting screwdrivers. Must be a reason. When I inquired shortly after the soft-grip ratcheting screwdriver blades were discontinued I was told by product managers that sales were poor and cost to manufacture was too high.

What's the fascination or utility of a square shank screwdriver blade? I'd love to see Enderes make something similar to the old SO SDDD44 but I cannot see the advantage of a square shank. Many screws I drive at work are accessed through holes or bezels where a square shank would not pass.


For reference, the Snap-on SDDD42/44 blade sizes were:
SDDD42-1A 1/4" x #2 phillips
SDDD44-1A 3/16" x #1 phillips
SDDD44-2A 5/16" x #3 phillips
SDDD44-A4 T-15 x T-20 Torx

If for some reason you need to turn the screwdriver by the blade instead of the handle, the square blades have corners to grip making the blades much easier to turn. With slotted screwdrivers, if the slotted tip is milled parallel to one of the sides instead of diagonally, the tips are handy for gentle prying, and certain other non-abusive wedging tasks. The larger flats on the side also allow you to use an adjustable wrench for more leverage.

 

[Biomed]

If for some reason you need to turn the screwdriver by the blade instead of the handle, the square blades have corners to grip making the blades much easier to turn.

I guess you could always use a bolster. Pretty much all of my Snap-on, Williams, SK and Craftsman Pro screwdrivers have bolsters. If that doesn't loosen it there are probably other better solutions (which have already been discussed elsewhere.)

I'm betting that the appeal of the SDDD44 is snob appeal not utility. It is for me. SO and Williams have hard handles with the same handle shape/size as the SDDD44 for a lot less money.

Sorry, I didn't mean for this thread to drift. I really do hope that Enderes will make some more 0927, 0929 and even multi-bit screwdrivers. And I'd like it even more if I could just order from HJE.

 

[Chamkila]

Any updates............thanks

 

[tjpavlov]

Any word on an enderes day? Love to get some Christmas shopping done!

 

[monomach]

Weekly obligatory question about Enderes day here...

 

[Steve_O]

I just sent Bull a message to see if we can get something going. I sent him a catalog and price sheet a while ago. I will let you know what we come up with

 

[Bull]

Okay sorry for dragging my **** about this. I've just been distracted.

When do you guys wanna do this?

Last year we combined Westling Machine Day with New Year's, I believe.

 

[jakemac]

How about Valentines Day. Let's fight back with some testosterone fueled spending.

Chocolate and pink Bunnies just don't look as good in my shop.

 

[Bull]

How about Valentines Day. Let's fight back with some testosterone fueled spending.

Are people wanting to wait until February?

 

[Biomed]

When do you guys wanna do this?

It's too close to the holiday's so I would be in favor of early 2014.

Many GJ members have expressed interest in the 0927 and 0929 screwdrivers so it would be best if they were available from Enderes.

 

[Steve_O]

We do have stock of the 0927 We have about 50 in stock and handles for about 400 more
I am working on the 0929 plus planning to make some other blades for the 0929

 

[Loscaldazar]

I'm for early 2014... I need some cold punches....

 

[Chamkila]

steve can you ship out some regular size handles reversible`s for me please?

 

[tvfd911]

While I don't want to wait mentally, I'll survive waiting until V-day. Actually, it'll let my credit card rest up from the Christmas season as I intend on ordering pretty much a full set of cold chisels and punches for my setup at the farm plus whatever else strikes my fancy that day. I can manage suffering with the random **** I've used for years and shuttling good stuff up as needed like I've done for years for two more months.

Cold hard steel on Valentines Day, I like that kind of thinking.

 

[spike99250]

Steve, I pm'd you about a tool could you check your messages and let me know what you think. Thanks.

 

[jeffmoss26]

I am very excited for this!!

 

[stratman977]

Any chance that the 2140 Mini 4 in 1 will be offered in the high visibility colors? The 2140 is one of my favorites.

 

[jeffmoss26]

That would be sweet!!

 

[Steve_O]

Any chance that the 2140 Mini 4 in 1 will be offered in the high visibility colors? The 2140 is one of my favorites.

Not currently unless we decide to invest in a mold and have them molded locally like we do the 4-1's and 6-1's.

The mini's like the 0927, 0929, and all of the fixed blade screwdrivers are an extruded handle rather than a molded handle. That means they come out like in a play-doh fun factory and then are machined to shape. It is a more expensive process, but with less investment up front.

The advantage of a mold is that we could shape it just like our 4-1/6-1's just on a smaller scale, so it is something that I am considering, but at this point, at approx $10,000 for the mold, it just doesn't pencil out with the volume of mini's sold. When the volume gets there, I am sure that we will spring for the mold. Then we would be able to offer all of the colors like the 2-1 pockets, 4-1's and 6-1's

 

[jeffmoss26]

Steve-
I have some older 2-in-1 screwdrivers with the red handle and metal clip, but all of the ones I see now are "bright" colors with a plastic clip.
Do you still make the older style?

 

[dink]

I just placed an order to start selling couple of there screwdrivers just a couple minutes ago.....I look forward to dealing with Enderes again and with the new owners.

 

[Steve_O]

Steve-
I have some older 2-in-1 screwdrivers with the red handle and metal clip, but all of the ones I see now are "bright" colors with a plastic clip.
Do you still make the older style?

Those handles were also extruded handles and the clips were added on. Mainly because of cost, years ago, Enderes invested in a mold to make the handle and molded the clip as well. When going through some of the old inventory, I ran across a barrel and a couple of boxes of those old extruded handles in different colors. My thought was that we would make them up as screwdrivers and sell them. I don't think there are any more of the red handles, but I know that there is orange. There is also black, but that one is drilled to press a blade into as a fixed blade screwdriver rather than as a 2-1. We do still sell those in a skin card. In order to save cost and also to compete with the imports, Enderes went to a plastic molded insert that presses into the handle that holds the blade rather than the steel one they had made. I have switched back to the metal insert for everything other than the fishbowls of screwdrivers that you might find on a hardware counter as an "impulse" buy. Everything that you would find on a shelf or carded has a steel insert in them again now.