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Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT Eric's Tucson Garage Project

Workspaces between 705 and 1200 squarefeet.

PugetDude

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Interesting- up here in Phoenix they put down the underlayment and bundle stack the roof tiles around the roof, then do wiring, plumbing, HVAC. Etc- basically wait a month or two for settling to stop before doing the drywall or exterior stucco. Roof tiles get finished later.
Supposed to eliminate/minimize settlement cracking.
 
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Interesting- up here in Phoenix they put down the underlayment and bundle stack the roof tiles around the roof, then do wiring, plumbing, HVAC. Etc- basically wait a month or two for settling to stop before doing the drywall or exterior stucco. Roof tiles get finished later.
Supposed to eliminate/minimize settlement cracking.

I was about to say the same thing......

The drywall is in tape stage and the tiles are not even on the roof yet. All that weight goes up there you are likely to have cracks......

They usually stack the tiles to get all the weight up on the roof before staring drywall and finish work.

Better set that expectation now and make sure your drywall crew is prepared to come back for repairs.
 

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Usually when they can't source the tiles right away they will fill the roof with sandbags so they are not holding up other trades. That also takes care of the settling issues until you can swap out the bags for the tiles. Is there anything at all up on the roof at this point ?
 
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Eric W11

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As far as where the trim color goes, here's some photos from end of today. It's like the house - no detail at the garage doors - just the main color straight across everything. The darker trim color shows how much fading there is on the house "bump outs" (near the bottom). I'll probably repaint those as there are only a few across the front of the house.
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Looks very nice!

Sorry if that was unclear. How are you going to trim out the interior as far as base/case? Just thinking ahead that you may every once in a while want to give it a good hose out clean.
 
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Eric W11

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Probably going to have enough storage shelving and tool / work tables in here that it would be more of an area mop than whole-space hose out. Roof tile nearly done today. I wasn't here for it, but my wife said they'd leave the pallet somewhat suspended and unload it quickly so the whole pallet weight wasn't ever really all on the one area. Don't know how they unload this and not drop any, but there's not much left over. Will need to paint the metal trim that closes off the bottom end of the tiles. Drywall finisher was also working inside. He's doing a long day today as the inside is supposed to be painted tomorrow.
Crane action:
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Eric W11

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Looks great, Eric.
When is the big reveal party? :D
The big reveal party where I provide some pizza and you move things from one garage to the other?:thumbup:

Fast changes this week. Texture on the drywall (that's the style around here - rather than worrying about sand it perfectly smooth, intentionally rough it up some so perfection isn't needed...) Guy stayed late Monday night, so late Monday / Tuesday morning:
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Eric W11

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Thursday - painted the roof trim:
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What's left: The wall on the left side built up against the building; 2' of wall built on the other side to close off the backyard (and texture / paint these new wall sections); trench for the electrical conduit filled in; ceiling light fixtures installed; final inspection closed out. I think that's all the contractor is on the hook for. I made a deal with the painters to coat the floor. Supposed to be doing that tomorrow. Also have the AC unit in storage with our AC guy, but I'll hold off that until the final inspection for this permit is approved.
 
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Eric W11

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Lights installed. Just went out there now that it's about dark and this seems like excellent brightness for getting things done at night. The 2 fixtures above the large door are on a separate switch, so they can be off when the door is open. Painters wanted to do the floor today, but they rescheduled for tomorrow (Saturday). The darkness in the floor grooves is a little moisture from them washing the floor yesterday with TSP.
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Eric W11

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Dunn-Edwards water-based epoxy. The gray one with blue chips.

If the contractor's not on the hook for base boards (I just don't recall), I'm looking at the 4" vinyl cove base from Home Depot.

Here's an attempt at capturing the lights at night - that's with the front 2 off:
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Floor coated:
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Eric W11

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I'm in final planning stage for my new garage. Mind telling me how much the epoxy floor will cost?
Depends a lot on what you use and whether you do it yourself. For this job, I paid their time & material, so I don't know what the material cost. This was $1300 for the 875 ft^2, but I had 2 other quotes just under and just over $4000. But those were going to sand/grind the surface, clean, epoxy coat, chips, and clear coat over the top. The job I got, they washed with TSP, let dry 2 days, applied the epoxy, and put chips on/in it without a clear coat. So a simpler job.

I did have the concrete guys "prep for epoxy" rather than brush or broom finish when the slab was poured. Meaning they left the slab as smooth as they could. So it wasn't really needing the sanding/grinding job, and as new, never-stained concrete, there wasn't any old oil or anything to grind out of the surface.
 
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Block wall built/rebuilt today. On the North side, this was only about 1/2 block wide (cut at an angle). On the South side, it's about 2' width of wall. North side - built over top of pre-existing wall foundation, so no digging required. South side was all new, so they dug a trench and filled with concrete for the wall to sit on. So the yard should contain the dog again (unless I leave the doors open). The dog got through the construction fence many times no matter what I did to seal up the sides or bottom - he'd still make another hole. It got to where we were only letting him out with one of us there watching. Still need to clear final inspection with the town and paint the new wall sections to match (same as building color).

Also a photo with the truck inside - it's over half the length, but the 2 cars for the other half will fit with space to get around them, and I have a work table to go in front of the truck.
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Wall is not anywhere close to the property line, so distance there was more a function of how close the builder wanted to work to the wall. Property line is 15-20' or more from the wall.
 
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Moved the other cars over. Have the truck back close to the door, but the Model A isn't optimized yet. I'll move it back closer to the door, but overall, with the 2 cars, there's plenty of space between them. Helps to collect smaller cars! Miata will stay where it is, but it will be un-buried. Can't access the RH door at all, and the LH door - you can see there's a pad on the bandsaw for the door.20221014_01.jpg20221014_02.jpg20221014_03.jpg20221014_04.jpg20221014_05.jpg20221014_06.jpg20221014_07.jpg
 
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Eric W11

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Roofers back on Monday to rip the roof apart to prove to the inspector that it was done right. Aside from breaking several perfectly installed tiles to get in there, pulling nails also introduces new leak paths that weren't there before. Doesn't seem right to me that there's an inspection in the middle of what was a 1-day process. At this point, I don't need any more inspections, but it appears the town is still requiring 3 more that this thing hasn't got thru yet.

The town's somewhat automated process also doesn't tell you that an inspection will be cancelled because you didn't pay a reinspect fee. It lets the contractor schedule the inspection, then when the inspector gets to that inspection, they cancel it for a prior unpaid fee. Then you get to pay the fee and schedule again. Wouldn't it be more efficient for it to have a "STOP" or something that directs you to pay the reinspect fee _before_ allowing further scheduling? As it is, it appears to waste EVERYONE's time - mine, the contractor's, and the inspector's.

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Interesting - I built my shop at the height of COVID and Pima County wouldn't send inspectors out, so instead it was all done remotely. Literally via zoom over my cell phone. I was instructed to have the drawings, a level, flashlight, and tape measure at the ready. Convenient for me, but makes you wonder if any poorly built structures may have flown under the radar.
 
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Eric W11

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Bugman - probably all kinds of stuff was passed over. They did provide some useful mark-ups in earlier findings on this build. Not sure if I spoke to that here, but some strapping / fasteners missing, a wall penetration not caulked, stuff like that.

Ok, this past Thursday - another inspection, another no-pass. Photos in post above show what it looked like. Apparently that level of disassembly wasn't sufficient, so the roofers were back on Friday for further disassembly:
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I think what they were trying to do for Thursday was to show the method of what was done throughout by only peeling back the front, but the inspector wanted to ACTUALLY SEE throughout. All this was originally assembled in a 1-day process, so the "correct" order would have been 1/2 - 3/4 day to get it to "inspectable", stop work there, schedule and pass the inspection, then come back out to finish putting the tiles on. I think there's responsibility on both sides - contractor and inspector. Contractor to understand what the inspection points are, and to direct the subs to stop at the inspection points, and the inspector to be clear about what has / has not passed and what does / does not still need to be seen. I'm not sure what the comms are between them. They don't seem to ever actually be here at the same time. The inspector makes very brief statements in an online record, but I'm not sure if the contractor reads those so much as tries to catch the inspector via phone. Inspector seems to be VERY busy, with MOST of the inspections in town going to him, so he may not even remember everything about my job when my guy calls.
Anyway, the roofers seemed pretty casual about it. They said this inspector's "being picky". They did add a different wrapping product over the ridge boards on Friday. It had what looked like tar paper nailed on before, and this new wrap is the same tacky/sticky stuff that went over all of the OSB under the tile.
Don't know if I've mentioned it, but every day that there's any activity, I've gone around the site and picked up nails and other trash. All of the crews have been generally pretty good with picking up the big stuff, but they're not examining the dirt all the way around for every last nail. I do this so me and my dogs are not stepping on nails 20 years from now, and any nails floating around anywhere near a garage or driveway are just asking to find a tire at some point. So even with this relatively small un-build / rebuild on the roof, I've found yet more nails all around the building. If you're doing one of these projects, I'd recommend getting out there for this kind of clean up every day. It also helps prevent damage to materials as crews move things around, and you prevent unknown junk buried in the walls, under base plates, between drywall and studs, etc.
 

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Your roofer pissed off the inspector.
Paybacks are a *****.
Hopefully you are past that now.
I had a pissed off Pima County inspector who was completely useless to me, for remodeling work I did by myself 12-13 years ago. He failed me on a couple of sub-permits but would not tell me why. "Not my job to teach you building codes." I complained to the county and they asked me to file a formal complaint. Told them I would but only after I pass all inspections.

I believe he was in the construction trade but when the housing crash happened, his business dried up. I guess he didn't like DIYers.
 

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Went through that with a Building Inspector on a whole house remodel in Spokane County 30 years ago. Guy was a real PITA, turned out he was a 'Nam Vet with PTSD that really shouldn't have been around people. Every on of his builds had multiple failures. County finally pulled him out of the field.
 
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