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The next part really sucked. I should have spent the $200 bucks on the stapler to make this job easier, but instead I pushed in 450+ staples with my thumb. I ended up having to drink a lot of beer to get through this part. The loops towards the end get a little messier than when I started out, but I am ok with that! I got the manifold all mounted up, ran all the pex, then made up the manifold and pressure tested it before laying down the rebar cages under where the lift is going and all the mesh.Mounting the manifold.jpglaying first row of pex.jpglaying out pex.jpgpex 2.jpgpex down.jpgmore pex.jpgand more pex.jpgloops laid out.jpgback to the manifold.jpgmanifold made up.jpg
 
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Looking really good. Just think, your $200 could have been spent on 2 sheets of plywood instead :rolleyes:
 
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I spoke with my concrete guy and he recommended doing it this way and then stapling the pex direct to the foam under the mesh. He likes doing it this way in garages as it keeps the pex far away from the surface of the pour and allows you to still be able to saw cut and anchor things into the slab with very little risk of hitting the pex. It was also how he did his own garage with radiant. If I had done the VB on top of the foam I would have either had to tie the pex off to the mesh, or staple it through the barrier.

There are a bunch of studies on which method to use, but nothing conclusive from what I could find as to what as really better for either one. One concern that did come up was making sure the finisher knows how to control water in the pour so that you don't end up with a ton of bleed water pooled up between the foam and the vapor barrier. Since this is how he does all his slabs that have radiant, and he is regarded as one of the best in the area, I took his advice!
 

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Looks great! I feel your pain with the Lowe's inventory system, I made the Southern New Hampshire tour a few weeks ago chasing items that they said were in stock, so frustrating!
 
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So the last pictures I posted up were of the pex system getting installed. We've made a bunch of progress since then, until the heart of summer hit which was spent with the family on a few vacations and trips with the kids and a road race thrown in here or there. Any how time for some more pics!

After getting all the pex laid out I started working on a threshold for the garage door. I needed a thermal break for the floor and I wanted something to reinforce the edge of the slab where it meets the crushed stone drive. Off to my buddys junk removal company's yard for some scrap angle iron! The entire slab got mesh and I build rebar cages for the pads where the lift will be, the concrete is also 7+ inches thick and a 3'x6' square.
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Concrete day!! These guys were great, arrived at 645am ready to go. Not sure my neighbors like the trucks going that early, but I didn't get any complaints so I guess it was ok?!?
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I had them do a burnt finish on the slab. They worked well into the evening and got it saw cut once it set up. The slab is a minimum of 5" thick, closer to 6-7 on the edges. 4kpsi concrete. It took 22 yards of concrete, for those wondering concrete costs it was 128/yd delivered and 1600 for the labor to place, finish and saw cut it. I did all the prep work so saved some money there. I had budgeted 10k for the slab and came in well ahead of that for once!

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Once the floor was in and set up for about two weeks Circle B came back and got started on the stairs to the loft. They did way more than what I was expecting here and I think they came out awesome!

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I've got some more pictures to find and get uploaded. The door install and loading it up with ****, which I said I wouldn't do until it was actually done, but I needed to get the new race car ready for some track time with the boys!!
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The summer has been busy with family and fun and lots of work in the new job. Having a place to work on the boat and cars inside out of the weather has been a game changer as far as getting stuff done! Going to this from never having a garage or workshop is awesome!

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All the summer fun really killed any type of progress on the barn, although I've started to get motivated again now. The garage door showed up about 16 weeks after ordering it and is all installed. I went with a Lift Master 8500 Jack shaft opener which has been working great. The door was supposed to come with white trim, but they messed up, and I think I like the solid look better anyhow so I just left it that way.
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We also changed our minds about painting the barn, my wife wanted it painted, but the natural wood has grown on her and she agreed we should just stain it. I am going with the same stuff they use to stain log homes, Outlast CTA Q8. It is a wood preservative and actually repels wood eating insects so I'm hoping it holds up well on this.

One little set back has been the insulation for the inside. A while back I scored a bunch of R10 rolls of insulation designed for a metal building for free. My thought was to just cut the rolls, peal the backing off of it and double stack it in the wall cavities. Well I discovered that cutting a 6'x92' roll of insulation makes a giant mess and trying to peel the backing off of it creates an even bigger mess and leaves nothing but big clumps of insulation. I scrapped the entire idea and am going with blown in cellulose instead. I am going to frame in all the nailers for the ship lap on the inside, staple netting to all the walls, and then fill all the cavities with blown in cellulose with a machine from Home Depot. The cost isn't crazy and it should give me about an R19 value in the wall.

That catches things up to about where it stands now. I am waiting on the electric company to do a site eval and let me know they can put the drop in so we can feed the barn, all my electrical components are in for the meter/main and panel. Hoping to frame in all the nailers starting next weekend and get the netting up, then blow it all in the following weekend. If I could get a lumber yard to call me back about the rest of the ship lap I need to finish the inside I'll get going on that after the insulation. Still can't believe how far its come, and also how far there is still to go!! Thanks for following along everyone!
 
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Hoping to make some more progress this weekend. I picked up the Outlast Q8 stain and cleaner and also got a quote from the lumber yard for the 192 12' WP11 Ship lap pine that only one mill in New England seems to cut and it aint cheap!! $4600 in ship lap may stall the finish on the inside for a bit, but I at least have the material to get going on the nailers, insulation, and maybe prepping for stain if the weather holds out...
 

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It's coming along really well; I'm still amazed at home much you get done. I take it you won't be joining us at NHMS this weekend if you're going to be staining? Or are you going to do that in between sessions? :D
 
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I completely missed out on registering in time. I went to register a few weeks ago and realized I never entered through and when I went back this past Sunday it was closed. Probably for the better at this point I am overwhelmed with work and stuff to get done at home and the kids have soccer every Saturday so progress has really slowed on anything at all. My pool looks like it should be in pet cemetery with the amount of dead mice and chipmunks in it.....
 

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Very nice "proper" looking building .... like the transom windows. Wish more people used them -- they really make a building "pop". Nice choice on the door as well.

Is the siding shiplap ... I have an old building with vertical shiplap ... it's a nice look. How are you planning the interior ?
 
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Thanks Yeldo! The exterior is vertical ship lap with the rough side out, square edges abutting. The interior is going to have the same ship lap, but with the finished side in and the beveled edge showing. If you zoom in on the stair pictures you can get an idea of what it will look like as I am going to continue that look all the way around.

I made zero progress working on the barn thisweekend, but did manage to get the pool closed, the boat winterized, and the wife's car oil changed, along with some time with the kiddos! Wish I had thought to take the holiday off tomorrow so I didn;t have to cram it all into two days, but its done! Hoping to get back on the barn this week/next weekend!
 

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Thanks Yeldo! The exterior is vertical ship lap with the rough side out, square edges abutting. The interior is going to have the same ship lap, but with the finished side in and the beveled edge showing. If you zoom in on the stair pictures you can get an idea of what it will look like as I am going to continue that look all the way around.

I made zero progress working on the barn thisweekend, but did manage to get the pool closed, the boat winterized, and the wife's car oil changed, along with some time with the kiddos! Wish I had thought to take the holiday off tomorrow so I didn;t have to cram it all into two days, but its done! Hoping to get back on the barn this week/next weekend!
Don't know how I missed zooming in .... now the 12' in your post makes sense. So one board takes care of it -- it's going to look great.
 
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Small update today, things have been crazy between work and covid still wreaking havoc with regular day to day life. 6 cases at work in the last 5 weeks and one at the kids daycare has been fun to try and plan around! At any rate I was able to get some things cleaned up and start framing out the windows and adding interior perlins, electrical permit pulled and trench dug to the pole.

My plan for insulation changed again too, I got a quote from a company in town to spray foam the entire building, $9k for the roof and all walls, R38 and R21 respectively. So I need to get a move on and finish up some stuff so they can come in. They said two weeks lead time to get started. Hoping to make some more progress now that the kids sports are wrapping up and the weekends are a little more open.....right up until the holidays....

Yeldo, I had been following a ton of your posts on radiant in the HVAC forum. I might need to pick your brain if you are still following along, still trying to decide what heat source to use for the radiant and final set up for an efficient system. I have no access to NG in my area so its going to either be an electric boiler or LPG boiler.

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No I never got it stained before the weather turned :( It will end up being pretty close to that color though, I went with Outlast Q8 Log Home Stain, it is a honey gold hue. I tested it out on a few scrap pieces I had and it didn't change the color much, just deepened it a bit.
 
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Took the week off and getting to work on some electrical. The service isn't in yet, by I had to run some temp power to see how this looked! There will be a smaller one right over the man door as well once I get around to mounting up the box. These fixtures from Steel Lighting Co. are no joke and probably some of the most robust I have ever installed! Super happy with the purchase and the price was not really crazy considering the cr*p you get at Home Depot for not much less than these!

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Thanks man, I got the one above the door mounted today too, just no pics yet. Also had to get the interior wiring cleaned up, trying to get everything in and inspected before spray foam on the 10th. Don't mind my hacked on cord cap on the romex to fire up the light, its temporary. I'll get some after shots of everything when I get out there tonight! The wife gave me all day and then some out there yesterday while she manned the troops(7/5/3 year old boys), still crazy with Christmas energy, so my progress out there today was very little as I had to step in for relief today! If I had half the energy my kids do I would have finished the barn 6 months ago!!

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Facebook Marketplace for the win today! Took a quick 6.5hr round trip ride up to north western Maine today along the NH border and scored over 2k sq feet of 10" kiln dried ship lap pine for the inside of the barn! I had received a quote from the same supplier that provided the ship lap for the barn company and it was just shy of 5K for the lumber to do the inside of the barn. I got more wood and saved $3k by making the trip this morning!

Now just need to finish up the electrical, spray foam on the 11th, and then I can start nailing this stuff up! Even got to see some snow while I was up north, we have been lacking it in central mass this year, glad to leave it up there so I can get more work done down here!
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That trailer load of lumber was quite a bit more than I was expecting! Had to enlist the crew to help me unload when I got home!
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It got a little wet on the ride down, so it is all stood up to dry out, then I'll sort it by length and quality of the piece. There were about 5 pieces out of the bunch that were split of broken in some way, although parts of which should still be usable.
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I also had the chance earlier this week to start cleaning up the electrical. I have a few more runs to do to the upstairs that I am going to loop and leave in the ceiling, compressor, welder, lift, and hanging cord reel feeds, and a feed for the future mini spit. All the feeds will go into a trough under the panel so that hole won't be visible. After that I just need my buddy to drop off the feeder wire so we can drop the pipe in the ground to the pole and feed the meter main and make up all the boxes and I should be good for the rough electrical inspection.

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Thanks for all following along guys! The thread keeps me taking pictures and somewhat documenting what I have been doing and helps keep me motivated to see it through to the end. I just got in from tying in the last of the electrical, vacuuming the entire place and covering up the ship lap that is stacked in the middle of the barn so they can come in and do the spray foam.

The rough electrical was inspected on Friday and all passed with one caveat, the inspector believes that the PoCo won't set a second residential meter on the property and I will have to list the building as commercial, which would necessitate a bypass meter socket. I went over the entire plan, which was to feed the barn on a separate meter for now and then eventually refeed the house from the barn underground, with the PoCo prior to beginning this and that was never mentioned, so I have to contact them tomorrow to verify. If I can get them to set the residential meter then we are good to go, if not I'll need to swap meter sockets, which isn't a huge deal, just some added work, luckily my buddy has one in his stock and it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to swap it around.

I also decided on plaster over drywall for the ceilings in both the main garage and the loft, so I'm meeting a plasterer there tomorrow to show him what I am thinking and get the quote for that. Once I lock him down and get that done, I can start throwing up the ship lap, then cut in all the receptacle boxes. We'll be doing them all in old work boxes once I figure out the height of all the benches, I'm thinking they'll come in around 48" high.
 

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Thanks for all following along guys! The thread keeps me taking pictures and somewhat documenting what I have been doing and helps keep me motivated to see it through to the end. I just got in from tying in the last of the electrical, vacuuming the entire place and covering up the ship lap that is stacked in the middle of the barn so they can come in and do the spray foam.

The rough electrical was inspected on Friday and all passed with one caveat, the inspector believes that the PoCo won't set a second residential meter on the property and I will have to list the building as commercial, which would necessitate a bypass meter socket. I went over the entire plan, which was to feed the barn on a separate meter for now and then eventually refeed the house from the barn underground, with the PoCo prior to beginning this and that was never mentioned, so I have to contact them tomorrow to verify. If I can get them to set the residential meter then we are good to go, if not I'll need to swap meter sockets, which isn't a huge deal, just some added work, luckily my buddy has one in his stock and it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to swap it around.

I also decided on plaster over drywall for the ceilings in both the main garage and the loft, so I'm meeting a plasterer there tomorrow to show him what I am thinking and get the quote for that. Once I lock him down and get that done, I can start throwing up the ship lap, then cut in all the receptacle boxes. We'll be doing them all in old work boxes once I figure out the height of all the benches, I'm thinking they'll come in around 48" high.

I'd check into that thoroughly before you do. That could have big implications with your zoning and property insurance, at least where I am it would.
 
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Working on that part now. I can't change my residence or the zoning to commercial, the electrical service gets classified as commercial. It also has implications towards the solar system I was planning to add to the barn as I believe a commercial system can't be net metered and pays back at wholesale rates from the electrical provider at 1/16 of a cent......so its a joke to do that. I'll get power there one way or another even if it means putting a 320A service on the barn and running from there back down to the house. That was the original plan, but no one could give us a date as to when we could get a 320A meter main so we decided on doing it this way for now. Oh well just a small hiccup, we'll get through it and until then I live on the extension cord from the house.

Another update, spray foam got pushed back this morning due to the extreme cold coming in here, highs tomorrow are supposed to maybe be mid single digits fahrenheit, so we are waiting til it warms up a little now.
 

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Working on that part now. I can't change my residence or the zoning to commercial, the electrical service gets classified as commercial. It also has implications towards the solar system I was planning to add to the barn as I believe a commercial system can't be net metered and pays back at wholesale rates from the electrical provider at 1/16 of a cent......so its a joke to do that. I'll get power there one way or another even if it means putting a 320A service on the barn and running from there back down to the house. That was the original plan, but no one could give us a date as to when we could get a 320A meter main so we decided on doing it this way for now. Oh well just a small hiccup, we'll get through it and until then I live on the extension cord from the house.

Another update, spray foam got pushed back this morning due to the extreme cold coming in here, highs tomorrow are supposed to maybe be mid single digits fahrenheit, so we are waiting til it warms up a little now.

It's always nice to hear that I'm not the only one living that extension cord life lol.
 
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