Light Fixture Layout Collections

[phor53]

Nice

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[Platonic Solid]

Thanks PS for reaching out to Gary. I'll wait to hear back from on the package ProLighting is letting you test out. Interested to see how it performs as compared to the GLL's. And I'm always partial to anything 12% off.

The 12% off ProLight combo is a non-Maxlite housing bundled with the same GLL lamps. I should have more info by Monday evening.

fartymarty - Hey cool, I can see the pic. What did you do?

 

[devildog1205]

Got cha. Thanks!

 

[panchohughes]

Happy Thanksgiving!
I am curious about this LED strip/shop light I found at HD.
Model # SHLP 36IN 40K 80CRI DNA
Its a 3' 3000 Lumen (4K) at about 34Watts.
They are on sale for only $12 bucks! I am considering putting about 35 of them in my new garage (28'x30'x12'). Thinking of 5 rows of 7. Then maybe some extras over workbench area down lower.
I would be using the garage to tinker around on projects.

Anyone have any thoughts? Would I regret it?
I plan to drywall & paint the interior (white) next summer (including ceiling which is 12' standard trusses)

I played around with the Visual Interior Tool, but I can't find the photometric data file for this light. I *think* it would work ok given the quantity I am putting in for the space, but am concerned about the 12' height.

 

[Platonic Solid]

panchohughes - That's an inefficient cord mounted hanging shop light intended for task lighting over a workbench. It is not surface mountable and as your diagram shows you'd need a rediculous amount of outlets. Not to overlook the rats nest of cords will look rediculous. At the cost of installing all those outlets you may as well get real fixtures.

Qty.9 of these will give you 82fc @ 30" workplane:
2ft. LED Linear High Bay - 80 Watt - 150W Equiv - Dimmable - 10,400 Lumens - LumeGen - $70 (link)

 

[panchohughes]

Thanks PS.
I will order the lights you suggest today.

 

[guzziboy66]

Platonic,

Thanks for everything you've done here. I've read most of the thread, but am very unsure of what to do.

My garage is 40 ft by 40 ft. The ceiling is 12 foot high. It has a truss roof with an attic space that is 18 feet wide by 40 feet long. We chose not to finish the ceiling so that when looking up you can see the underside of the attic floor and the sides of the attic walls.

All surfaces except the floor are plywood or wood. The floor is dirty concrete. The walls are painted upto a height of 8 feet. I mostly work on motorcycles and park cars in it. But occasionally we move the cars out, clean up the shop and host a party there.

I have two 8 ft Fluorescent lights mounted 8 feet apart using 4ft T-8 bulbs. Based on the light that is available I came up with this.

And my rudimentry electrical skills came up with this for the circuits

I recognize that LEDs make sense but I get overwelmed when I try to use that tool that you've linked to and I second guesss which fixture to use etc. I want a well lit space. I don't want overkill.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Eric R.

 

[clawman]

LED color

My shop is 30x40 14' ceiling. The fixtures I've looked at are 4000 on the kelvin scale.
Where I am coming from is we recently did some remodeling in the house and added under cabinet LED strip lighting, changed bulbs in some fixtures that have G11 bases to 5000k bulbs. Will my experiences with those application carry over to garage fixtures?
At this point I told the electrician I would like at least 5k or 6k is possible. Is that a mistake?

 

[Platonic Solid]

guzziboy66 - I see no images.

clawman - If you like it then it's not a mistake. Might want to get a 6000K CCT bulb and check it out before making that commitment. You may en up paying more for 6000K CCT as it is less popular, thus you are limiting your fixture selection.

 

[guzziboy66]

Platonic,

Thanks for responding. I can see the images in the forum, but here are links to them.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JT92eMBeVst3GMXa2

https://photos.app.goo.gl/4QaS2KVmZCEPra2j1

Hopefully this works. Thanks.

 

[knucklehead]

Platonic,
I am waiting for the permit to build an another addition to my shop & am hoping you can recommend a lighting layout.
the new addition will be 22' x 96', 9' ceiling, divided into one 22'x60' room & one 22'x36' room, semi gloss white painted sheetrock walls & ceiling, no windows. one 18' door, one 9' door (doors on each of the 22' walls) used for motorcycle parking & repairs.
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

 

[Platonic Solid]

knucklehead - That's quite a bit of space. Not much time at the moment, but best to start your own thread. Include any concept drawing/sketches you have. FWIW, best paint sheen for lighting = flat white ceiling paint and egg shell walls. Do you want full wrenching light output in the entire space? 93 fc @ 30" workplane is recommended for mechanical work. 4ft 2-lamp LED retrofit strip lights are ideal for your ceiling height. Meanwhile see post #469 (link)

 

[Foozle]

Gietz - Please see this post to do your own layout:

Suggested fixture: Greentek (linked to PDF catalog) 16406 lm, 110W, 149 L/W, $93.99 (free shipping over $99)

Platonic - I have a similar size barn that is 60' x 50' and 14' high. Would this fixture work here? It recommends for ceilings 15-25' high, so didn't know if 14' was cutting it too close. Right now I'm planning unpainted plywood walls/ceilings. Also, I have garage doors that only allow 4 or 5" clearance from the door to ceiling, so was curious if these could be flush mounted to fit under where door would open up to. The garage doors are 12'x12', so I suppose I could just mount on either side of where they would open if I can't mount anything in the area they occupy when open.

Thanks!

 

[Platonic Solid]

Foozle - Yes you can use that fixture.
Qty. 20 in a 4 (12.5ft center to center spacing) x5 (12ft center to center spacing) arrangement yields 91fc @ 30" workplane. I found a low cost surface mounting bracket set at beeslighting in one of these posts. Not sure if it fits or if there's enough space above your garage door.

Found the bracket here: https://beeslighting.com/maxlite-high-bay-accessories/p/BLHE90-SMK

 

[Foozle]

Foozle - Yes you can use that fixture.
Qty. 20 in a 4 (12.5ft center to center spacing) x5 (12ft center to center spacing) arrangement yields 91fc @ 30" workplane. I found a low cost surface mounting bracket set at beeslighting in one of these posts. Not sure if it fits or if there's enough space above your garage door.

Found the bracket here: https://beeslighting.com/maxlite-high-bay-accessories/p/BLHE90-SMK

@Platonic - thanks for the advice. I'm going to order a few of the fixtures to make sure they will work for my space. On the brackets, did you mean that you weren't sure if that bracket would work with that fixture? I called Greenlight Depot and they weren't sure either. If anyone has successfully used these brackets with the GT fixtures, it would be great to hear that before I order them. I'd hate to have to order one as a trial, but that may be necessary if I can't confirm they will work.

Thanks

 

[Platonic Solid]

Foozle - Correct. Buying fixtures and brackets from different manufacturers may not fit together. When I posted the brackets link they were in the $6 arena. Now they're $13.50. I only suggested them as the price was right. Might still be the way to go. I doubt you'll have any luck finding someone who's used that exact fixture & bracket combo. I'd opt for a cheaper solution.

 

[Foozle]

Foozle - Correct. Buying fixtures and brackets from different manufacturers may not fit together. When I posted the brackets link they were in the $6 arena. Now they're $13.50. I only suggested them as the price was right. Might still be the way to go. I doubt you'll have any luck finding someone who's used that exact fixture & bracket combo. I'd opt for a cheaper solution.

Yeah, I noticed the price of the brackets doubled in a day! Is there any reason I can't just mount by using screws driven into the ceiling from inside the driver box? I'm planning on 1/2 plywood, so likely would be strong enough to hold.

Thanks

 

[Platonic Solid]

Foozle - I'd assume the driver box cover isn't strong enough to support the whole fixture otherwise there's be no purpose to the brackets. No reason you couldn't do a very short chain mount from the intended mounting/hanging holes though.

 

[Foozle]

Foozle - I'd assume the driver box cover isn't strong enough to support the whole fixture otherwise there's be no purpose to the brackets. No reason you couldn't do a very short chain mount from the intended mounting/hanging holes though.

It's a shame they don't make the fixture flush mount compatible, but oh well. Rather than a chain, perhaps I could just use threaded rods to secure to the fixture, as then they could be tightened to essentially be flush mounted. Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JDU88XO/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Platonic Solid]

Re: LED color

What is a good fixture for new build 14' high ceiling 30x40 shop?

(Moved quote from light fixture thread)

Qty.12 - LumeGen 2ft. LED Linear High Bay,110 Watt, Dimmable, 14,300 Lumens, $85 (link)

Here's the Dialux Report (link)

 

[Rush10]

I was wondering if someone could help me with my layout. I move into my house soon with a 22x24 garage and can't wait to get to work!

I had them put three regular lights in that I would like to end up with T8 LED fixtures. They have all 3 on the same circuit, ideally I would like four led t8's off each electrical box.

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Is this possible or able I stuck with just one 2 light fixture per box? Could I go even more?

 

[Foozle]

Re: LED color

(Moved quote from light fixture thread)

Qty.12 - LumeGen 2ft. LED Linear High Bay,110 Watt, Dimmable, 14,300 Lumens, $85 (link)

Here's the Dialux Report (link)

Platonic, is there much difference between the LumeGen and the Greentek you recommended above? I was planning on the Greentek, but could still switch to the LumeGen if you feel better. Thanks

 

[Platonic Solid]

Re: LED color

Platonic, is there much difference between the LumeGen and the Greentek you recommended above? I was planning on the Greentek, but could still switch to the LumeGen if you feel better. Thanks

Just going by price and availability. Nothing else.

 

[mbushnell]

I am just about to pull the trigger on a new build single level home in Windsor, CO that has a 3 Car garage. The garage will be 28' 8" wide x 23' 8" deep, with either 9' or 10' ceilings (I'm waiting for clarification on ceiling height).
I'm looking for some ideas on what to prewire for. Two of the bays will be used to park my 2 vehicles, but the third bay I was looking to set up a small home workshop with a workbench at the end, rollaway storage, yard implement storage, etc. Is prewire for 220V advisable?
Also looking for lighting options. From looking at the model home, the only lighting is a single bulb in each of the three bays.
Thanks.
Mark

 

[MST Engineer]

First of all I wanted to say how awesome this thread is. As a mechanical engineer I really appreciate all of the detail. I'm currently building a house with a attached workshop that is a 2 wide 2 deep design with vaulted ceilings up to 13ft in the front area. I want to use 4ft LED bulbs and the electrical installer for the house is not very familiar with them and doesn't have much advice to give. I did some rough back of the napkin calculations to come up with the current light plan but would love some more knowledgeable input. Here is the floor and ceiling plan below.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I'm currently building a house with a attached workshop that is a 2 wide 2 deep design with vaulted ceilings up to 13ft in the front area. I want to use 4ft LED bulbs and the electrical installer for the house is not very familiar with them and doesn't have much advice to give. I did some rough back of the napkin calculations to come up with the current light plan but would love some more knowledgeable input.

Well, your light distribution depends a lot on how powerful each light strip is. I used the 40W, 4200L Lights of America LED shop lights in my workshop, so that's what I'll base my recommendations on.

It looks like you've got four 8' lights in the front car bays, with two of those lights directly above where the cars will park. That won't be very helpful, unless you're doing interior work on convertibles. I think the light quality will be far better if you spread the fixtures out as much as possible. The more fixtures you have, the less significant your shadows will be. Also, position them so that they'll shine on the front, back, & sides of the cars instead of onto the roof.

My shop has 13.5' ceilings, and I found that putting one 4' strip in every 5x5' square of the ceiling produced about 117 ft-cd of light 36" off the ground. A year after install, I still think that's a perfect setup. It's bright enough and uniform enough that the only time I need auxiliary, task-based lighting is when I'm lying underneath a vehicle.

I don't know exactly how high all your ceilings are, or what kind of work you'll be doing in that shop. However, if all your ceilings were 13' high (like mine) and you planned to do woodworking or automechanic work (like I do), then I think you'd be quite happy with something resembling the attached layout of 4', 40W LED fixtures. Alternatively, you could replicate the back layout up front instead of working around parked vehicles. With lower ceilings, you'll want fewer lights.

I used split the lights up on three wall switches in my 30x40' shop. The front half is on one switch, the back half is on another switch, and four lights (one centered in each quadrant of the garage) are on a third switch. That allows me to turn on just a little bit of light for those times when I'm not doing detailed work & don't want the expense of powering all those lights. I put the 4 lights on a lighted switch so it's easy to find in the dark.

I attached a photo of the lighting in my shop.

 

[MST Engineer]

Obi-wan thanks for your input. I did the front section in 8ft fixtures because I originally planned on during T8's and I thought and 8ft fixture with 4 48" bulbs would be the cheapest for that area. Most of the work will be done in the front area with the lift. The light floor plan shows the cieling hieght but it's hard to see. The base hieght is 10ft throughout with the dotted line section being 13ft with ramps up in front of and behind. In the picture below you can see what the roof looks like. Thanks for your help.

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[Obi-Wan]

I did the front section in 8ft fixtures because I originally planned on during T8's and I thought and 8ft fixture with 4 48" bulbs would be the cheapest for that area. Most of the work will be done in the front area with the lift. The base hieght is 10ft throughout with the dotted line section being 13ft with ramps up in front of and behind.

With a 10' ceiling, you can use half as many lumens as a 13' ceiling and still get approximately the same amount of light hitting a work surface 36" off the floor.

I still highly recommend distributing your fixtures as much as possible to create even lighting and reduce shadows. That said, think carefully about how you'll be working in various areas of the garage and what direction you'll want your light coming from when you're doing that work. You don't want your car or your body to be creating shadows where you're trying to work. You'll be cursing the shadows long after you've forgotten how much money you saved by buying 8' fixtures.

 

[devildog1205]

Hi All! Haven't posted here in a while, as I started a new thread for my Workshop Build when it finally kicked off. See my sig for complete build link if interested.

But wanted to stop back in a post a few pics of my lighting progress. I received a ton of guidance and information from this thread and from Platonic. So I thought I'd come back and share a few pics of the exterior lighting that just went up a few days ago and the ceiling pancake boxes I chose for the LED Lamp layout (that I got here). .5 inch boxes surface mounted to bottom of the truss with .5 inch drywall for ceiling should give a flush surface for the 4' LED fixtures to mount to.....in theory anyway.

Very pleased with the result and the look of the exterior Barn Style Goose Neck LED lamps. Interior lighting is still in progress. Drywall is hung. Finishing starts tomorrow. Ceiling fixtures will go up as soon as that's completed. I'll post back when all of the LED ceiling lamps are installed and energized. Everyone that sees the ceiling boxes says with 20 dual lamp fixtures, its going to look like an airport in the building. Ha! I tell everyone....who am I to argue with Platonic and Pro-Lighting...

 

[trippeee]

I really appreciate all the time and effort that has gone into this thread. I am planning to use a modified layout from post #15 on page 1 of this post for my 20'X24'X8' (white drywall ceiling and walls) garage. Garage will be used for light carpentry and auto/motorcycle wrenching when the cars aren't parked in there.

I am hoping to use the "best bang-for-the-buck" LED 4ft 2-lamp strip lights. I am not clear if the Wraps (lensed fixtures) from post #14 are recommended for safety sake because of the glass bulbs used in that layout, or because of glare issues.

I'm a cheap *******, but I don't want to regret a lot of glare just to save a couple $. I can take a little glare, but as PS has stated a few times, I want the space to "feel" nice and inviting. Not concerned with safety.

I really like the ability to be able to change bulbs, but if glare is an issue, would this be a good alternative?

1ft. x 4ft. Flat Panel LED - 40 Watt - Dimmable - DLC 4.2 Premium Approved - 5000 Lumens - LumeGen

$36.99

https://www.lightup.com/1ft-x-4ft-flat-panel-led-40-watt-dimmable-5000-lumens-lumegen.html

Thanks in advance for any help and this great thread!

 

[bullnerd]

Devildog did you post info on the goosenecks? I didn't see it?

At least where you bought them?

 

[Platonic Solid]

trippeee - Wraps were recommended for lower ceilings with fluorescent fixtures due to glass breakage safety issue. Frosted lensed LED retrofit bulbs with plastic lenses do not need wraps. At 8ft ceiling height I would lean towards 4ft retrofit bulbs over flat panels, but with the proper layout either can work.

 

[trippeee]

Wow - did not expect such a quick response and I'm hearing what I wanted! Thanks again for all your effort on the forum here PS. You rock!

 

[devildog1205]

Bullnerd- Here is the info on the fixtures and bulbs I chose. Model numbers below are links to the manufacturers website.



Interior Bulbs: LEDmyplace (40) WEN-T8-4FT-18WF (5000K) , T8 4ft LED Tubes, 18W, 5000K Frosted, 2400 Lumens, Single Ended Power. $5.49 each , $219.60 Shipped



Interior Fixtures: 1000bulbs , (20) PLT TXFC232X1, LED Ready - 48 x 4.24 in. Suspended Strip Fixtures. $9.89 each , $270.53 Shipped



Exterior Fixtures: HTM Lighting , (3) HTM-BS14-GN15-42W-30BZ, 14in. Integrated LED Gooseneck Barn Light Fixture With Adjustable Swivel Head - Photocell - 100-277VAC - Oil Rubbed Bronze. $98.91 each and (1) HTM-AS10-GN15-25W-30BZ, 10in. Integrated LED Gooseneck Barn Light Fixture With Adjustable Swivel Head - Photocell - 100-277VAC - Oil Rubbed Bronze. $94.41 All 4 shipped for $424.62

 

[trippeee]

--bullnerd--

I saw this in the "best lighting thread" from devildog, post #1187 (not sure how to link it) ...

Took awhile, a ton of research, and waiting for Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales....but finally ordered all components for interior and exterior lighting in my new Garage. Component details with web links below:

Interior Bulbs: LEDmyplace , (40) WEN-T8-4FT-18WF (5000K) , T8 4ft LED Tubes, 18W, 5000K Frosted, 2400 Lumens, Single Ended Power. $5.49 each , $219.60 Shipped (Out of stock currently, will ship on Dec 13-15...I can wait for that unit price)

Interior Fixtures: 1000bulbs , (20) PLT TXFC232X1, LED Ready - 48 x 4.24 in. Suspended Strip Fixtures. $9.89 each , $270.53 Shipped

Exterior Fixtures: HTM Lighting , (2) HTM-BS14-GN15-42W-30BZ, 14in. Integrated LED Gooseneck Barn Light Fixture With Adjustable Swivel Head - Photocell - 100-277VAC - Oil Rubbed Bronze. $98.91 each and (1) HTM-AS10-GN15-25W-30BZ, 10in. Integrated LED Gooseneck Barn Light Fixture With Adjustable Swivel Head - Photocell - 100-277VAC - Oil Rubbed Bronze. $94.41 All 3 shipped for $424.62

Big thanks to Platonic Solid for all his time and willingness to share his knowledge. Its invaluable and I am grateful for having landed here and had the opportunity to learn from him and all others who have commented on this thread sharing their experiences.

 

[trippeee]

lol - everyone is responding quick today! Sorry for the redundant post.

 

[devildog1205]

lol - everyone is responding quick today! Sorry for the redundant post.

 

[bullnerd]

Awesome, Thanks Dog. (and trippee, LOL)

Looks like the price went up a few dollars on the goosenecks.

 

[devildog1205]

Awesome, Thanks Dog. (and trippee, LOL)



Looks like the price went up a few dollars on the goosenecks.

Yeah, even though I wasn’t ready for lighting at the time. I purchased everything over the Black Friday weekend last year to take advantage of the discounts. I’m frugal. And this project is way over budget. [emoji30]


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[bullnerd]

That's what I thought.

OB is real easy to do!