Miller 211 Welder

rice rocket · Jun 17, 2015

JonnyC said:
Here's my correspondence with the seller:

Q: Can you clear this up for all of us who purchased one - how did you go about getting this? Former dealer that got a crazy good deal on excess inventory?

A: I am actually not making profit, I am just trying to recoup the cash flow we injected in this whole welder inventory... Miller is offering goodies and rebates to promote their dealer network, I don't want to get into a fight with them by selling all those welder close to retail.

Not sure I understand the justification.

So essentially he's selling them under the table because he doesn't want to honor the rebate (which isn't even paid out of his pocket)?

dogdog · Jun 17, 2015

How does warranty work when you buy from a non-dealer for these stuff?

bcradio · Jun 17, 2015

Seller says he/she has had them since feb 2015 and they are still under warranty.

ishiboo · Jun 17, 2015

I couldn't turn down the Hypertherm Powermax 45 for $1100. I've been pleased with my $375 pilot arc Chinese unit, but I know I'll LOVE the Hypertherm. Eventually I want to build a CNC plasma table, and then the crazy fabrications will begin. :beer:

xurusaibobx · Jun 17, 2015

So bottom line these welders probably cost only 500 bucks. If he's not making profit.

What he ment was the promo items free stuff from miller is so that they can promote their dealers.

Hasn't taken any of my offers yet

ishiboo · Jun 17, 2015

rice rocket said:
Not sure I understand the justification.

So essentially he's selling them under the table because he doesn't want to honor the rebate (which isn't even paid out of his pocket)?

Welders are not like cars, a dealer owns their stock for sale... they're not lent on "credit" by the manufacturer. (This is not always true, for example Corvettes are always owned by the dealership) It sounds his reasoning like they have a significant inventory of welders/plasma cutters, which is capital held up in a non-liquid form... and they want to turn that into cash ASAP. Not sure what dealer cost is, but if it's $800 a unit and you have 30 units, that's $27,000 you've *******. Sell them for $750 profit and you are still getting $22,500 back if you need it for other things. Or dealer cost is much lower than we assume

Not sure what the margins are, how they were purchased, etc... it's possible he got a deal before all these rebate deals came up, maybe the rebate deal isn't valid in Canada, etc.

Now, this is purely a theory... they could be hot, but that's up to eBay and PayPal to deal with at this point

elronin · Jun 17, 2015

Boy you guys got me going sent in an offer for 610, gonna sell my two Harbor Freight welders and cart to try to pay for half of this, that is if I get it.

csmitty · Jun 17, 2015

My thought is they bought these welders at a qty discount from somewhere, possible dealer getting out, with intentions on making some money selling under retail. Then when the rebates and spool gun deal came out realized they couldn't get buyers since they weren't a dealer. Then decided rather than wait a year to slowly sell to just dump them for quick cash, break even, and move on to the next idea.

zeekh · Jun 17, 2015

csmitty said:
My thought is they bought these welders at a qty discount from somewhere, possible dealer getting out, with intentions on making some money selling under retail. Then when the rebates and spool gun deal came out realized they couldn't get buyers since they weren't a dealer. Then decided rather than wait a year to slowly sell to just dump them for quick cash, break even, and move on to the next idea.

Thats a lot of inventory for 1 dealer

kawittwer · Jun 17, 2015

Got it at $675. Offered since this all started everything from $500 up... finally bit at 675. Broke again due to this board! :rocker:

carczar_84 · Jun 17, 2015

Just accepted at $620. Guess I bought a welder!?

organ · Jun 17, 2015

All sold.

boomerangg22 · Jun 17, 2015

my wife said no :argue:

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

Since the first listing (that we saw) and subsequent relistings he has sold 92 in 48 hours. Something seems fishy, most welding supply stores might stock some, but even zoro ran out on that last sale and I bet they did not sell 92.

zeekh · Jun 17, 2015

Strouty said:
Since the first listing (that we saw) and subsequent relistings he has sold 92 in 48 hours. Something seems fishy, most welding supply stores might stock some, but even zoro ran out on that last sale and I bet they did not sell 92.

I agree. I would love to bite on the plasma cutter but I just got a feelin' its scam. I guess no harm paying with a cc or paypal

ishiboo · Jun 17, 2015

It's a scam. Sorry folks.

Nick_Wa · Jun 17, 2015

ishiboo said:
It's a scam. Sorry folks.

You know this? I don't see how anyone could possibly think selling 90+ fraudulently on ebay would get away with it?

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

I looked back, they sold WELL OVER 100 of these. Some as far back as March, this is either the long con, or this is the biggest retailer miller has ever known.

rice rocket · Jun 17, 2015

Miller also keeps a database of stolen welders, so if someone does get one, call up Miller and see what they say.

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

Nick_Wa said:
You know this? I don't see how anyone could possibly think selling 90+ fraudulently on ebay would get away with it?

If they got their account hacked, it would make perfect sense. The seller looks legit to us, then they unload 100 in a couple of days and run with the money, or spend it in some other way. Criminals are a lot smarter than most people think and most people are a lot more gullible than they believe they are.

organ · Jun 17, 2015

ishiboo said:
It's a scam. Sorry folks.

Easy to say, anything to back it up?

ishiboo · Jun 17, 2015

Account could be hacked, or they were simply fake purchases used for the scam. These guys have been doing it a long time.

organ · Jun 17, 2015

ishiboo said:
Account could be hacked, or they were simply fake purchases used for the scam. These guys have been doing it a long time.

Your last post was pretty definitive for someone just speculating like everyone else...

zeekh · Jun 17, 2015

ishiboo said:
It's a scam. Sorry folks.

Gut feeling or are you sure?

dieseltron · Jun 17, 2015

IF this is real you guys are cleaning up on this deal. I would bite if I didn't already have a Hobart 210

encantofred · Jun 17, 2015

i got declined at 600. i for sure dont understand where they could get that many welders to sell that cheap, but if it was a scam, wouldnt they accept all offers?

tom

dmw16 · Jun 17, 2015

Strouty said:
Since the first listing (that we saw) and subsequent relistings he has sold 92 in 48 hours. Something seems fishy, most welding supply stores might stock some, but even zoro ran out on that last sale and I bet they did not sell 92.

ishiboo said:
It's a scam. Sorry folks.

When you consider the numbers it almost has to be.

Nick_Wa said:
You know this? I don't see how anyone could possibly think selling 90+ fraudulently on ebay would get away with it?

I would imagine he has already. Paypal funds clear instantly and transfer to a bank account takes 3 days tops. Odds are Paypal will refund to the sellers and eat the loss. Just like credit card companies do when numbers are stolen. Maybe the volume is enough that they'll go after the seller, but sadly, probably not.

dmw16 · Jun 17, 2015

encantofred said:
i got declined at 600. i for sure dont understand where they could get that many welders to sell that cheap, but if it was a scam, wouldnt they accept all offers?

tom

Speculation would be accepting any offer would be a tip off. By taking very low but near-reasonable offers the scammer got a lot more buyers...assuming it's a scam, which I'm really thinking it is.

ishiboo · Jun 17, 2015

organ said:
Your last post was pretty definitive for someone just speculating like everyone else...

I am not sure if the eBay account was hacked, or if he/she started from scratch and created fraudulent history. I'm not eBay, so I don't have the access to determine that.

But based on the seller's PayPal address and the fact it's all these "too good to be true" deals, I'd give it a 98% probability that it's a scam.

encantofred · Jun 17, 2015

it will be interesting to see and i hope those of you who bought actually end up with your welder.

i was like many of you and assummed i really had nothing to lose since the losses would be covered.

tom

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

They were selling on three ebay sites all at once as well.

coma13 · Jun 17, 2015

I would have rolled the dice but my $675 offer was rejected so no welder for me.

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Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

They listed more.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Millerm...cde2b47&pid=100011&rk=2&rkt=8&sd=161666020729

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

I guess they are the same, when I searched, there were different quantities.

Ebay Canada

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Millerma...9b50a03&pid=100033&rk=1&rkt=3&sd=151717763525

organ · Jun 17, 2015

Strouty said:
They listed more.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Millerm...cde2b47&pid=100011&rk=2&rkt=8&sd=161666020729

The last batch was supposedly his "FINAL INVENTORY" also... looking more and more like a scam...

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

All the last 100 sales had the same final inventory listed.

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

I hope it works out for everyone, but part of me is hoping for the drama.

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

I bet the scammer is going to have fun spending $60K in the next couple days, no one can possibly leave feedback in that short time because the item would not be delivered yet.

Anyone that gets a tracking number working, see if it shows a weight, these will be fairly heavy, like 80 pounds. If it is a scam, they would be smart to ship something just to get the tracking info out there. That would give them about 5 or so days head start.

Nikon_RH50 · Jun 17, 2015

You can easily make shipping labels through PayPal account and it will email tracking numbers. But it does not mean it will ship. They can "ship" 7 days later all the while the funds cleared and withdrawn.

Good Luck to those that bought. If this is legit.....You ****.

Strouty · Jun 17, 2015

I just sent the seller a message, I wonder if I will hear back?

"Just trying to decide if you are scamming everyone or if I should place an
order. I have never seen a dealer have this many machines. Are you the
biggest seller in Canada, did you rob a truck? Why should I trust you? I
think these are more than fair questions after you have sold 100 units in
48 hours. So convince me."

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