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Private Lugnutz

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Found a decent No. 7 at the flea market this morning, thought I'd revive a good thread.

For those who don't read it - the Reader's Digest version is...

The inventor, Mr. Botnick, originally made these for in-shop use at his own car dealership - hence the name "B.M.C." (Botnick Motor Corporation) on them - because he couldn't find a good set of locking pliers that had parallel jaws that could also be pre-set to a specific width. Patented in November 1945.

They are not rare, but they are not exactly common, either. They do pop up from time to time on GJ, including our founder, Ryan, who started this thread. I know 2oolhound has a few, and I remember that one was in Beemer's Duplex cantilevered toolbox. Don't want to leave anyone out, but if you're interested, a scroll through this thread will show more, and a search on "Botnick" will reveal them all.
 

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Flea market find this morning. I guess they only show up once a year and in October! (See date of last post...) It couldn't have been a different size at least? Sheesh. :lol:
 

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I had a very interesting find this morning at the flea market. A tiny ratcheting screwdriver with a simple yet effective gearless design. The shaft of the bit has a hex shank and a round recessed neck above that connected to a knurled thumb knob. The handle has a hex opening the same size as the bit. To turn the screwdriver, you ease the handle down onto that pinched stop on the shank. The release for a backswing, you just pull the handle up to the neck and reposition the hex opening. Repeat quickly for pseudo-ratcheting action.

But the real interesting part is the name. "B.M.C.", in Binghamton, N.Y.

That has to be a reference to Botnick Motor Corporation, famous for the subject of this thread - the locking plier-wrenches that Saul Botnick invented in his Chevy dealership shop. Everyone from wrench clubs to Hemmings Motors to upstate NY history books knows that story and the plier-wrenches.

I have never seen a B.M.C. ratcheting screwdriver before, though, or any reference to it. I'm not sure anyone knew it existed. DATAMP has no record of the patent.
 

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Lugz, I had forgotten that I had these until your post. They were in the "Deal With Later" pile. Mine might be older as they are marked "Patent Applied For". It appears they made multiple sizes as mine are different.
 

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Brotha' from anotha' motha'!
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Different sizes make sense since the bits are captive and not interchangeable. Very cool. Thanks for posting. I am going to try to do some research this week. That's what I love about this hobby. There's always something new, even in the places and situations you least expect it. Old school Chevy dealer owner had not one but two (and who knows how may more?!) patents for tools he just wasn't satsified with buying! :)
 

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Here's my pair of BMC pliers. I've had these for about 40 years, and they were far from new when I got 'em. No 9 version. The red plastic filler in the grip is cracked.

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I bought mine from an old fellow who believes they came with a 1954 Chevrolet truck that his dad bought new.
 

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I had a very interesting find this morning at the flea market. A tiny ratcheting screwdriver with a simple yet effective gearless design. The shaft of the bit has a hex shank and a round recessed neck above that connected to a knurled thumb knob. The handle has a hex opening the same size as the bit. To turn the screwdriver, you ease the handle down onto that pinched stop on the shank. The release for a backswing, you just pull the handle up to the neck and reposition the hex opening. Repeat quickly for pseudo-ratcheting action.

But the real interesting part is the name. "B.M.C.", in Binghamton, N.Y.

That has to be a reference to Botnick Motor Corporation, famous for the subject of this thread - the locking plier-wrenches that Saul Botnick invented in his Chevy dealership shop. Everyone from wrench clubs to Hemmings Motors to upstate NY history books knows that story and the plier-wrenches.

I have never seen a B.M.C. ratcheting screwdriver before, though, or any reference to it. I'm not sure anyone knew it existed. DATAMP has no record of the patent.

Thanks for info! I have been wondering what these were.
 

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Thanks for info! I have been wondering what these were.
You're welcome. I'm guessing you don't have any B.M.C. Pressure Lock Wrenches then, or possibly just didn't make the connection between the two names. See Pic 3. Trust me I was floored when I found that first loose one last November, because nobody has ever talked about their ratcheting offset screwdrivers before. Which is no wonder, given the popularity of their superior "vise-grips".

Botnick Motor Corporation (BMC) Mfg. Corp. also made a Ready-Ray trouble light and Change-A-Blade scissors. They dropped tools in the 50's and started making toy pedal cars and were eventually bought by AMF (yes, the Harley-Davidson AMF).

Anyway, very sweet set in the original box - and good to know they came in three sizes. Chances are slim I will see them in the box in the wild, but you never know. I have a few of one size and two of a second smaller size, two of those care of GJ member TOTO. See Pic 1 & 2.

By the way, they made Phillips tips, too. I've never see any though. See Pic 4.
 

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As long as I am here, I have three (3) BMC Mfg Co Pressure-Lock Wrenches, all the same size, all No. 7. If anyone has an extra No. 5, No. 9, or No. 11 and needs a No. 7, I would be eager to trade.
 

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I just learned of this thread from Lugz’s post on the Garage Sale thread (probably of the tool as well, earlier).
I had seen a No9 model in a flea market shed weeks before learning anything about it; the red plastic handle spacer caused me to dismiss the tool as a gimmicky wannabe. After reading a bit more, and realizing they were sophistcated, elegant tools, and not junk, I returned a few weeks later, but it was gone. Somewhere in the last month, I handled a BMC offset screwdriver, but probably since I didn’t own the pliers, just smiled at recognizing the name and left them.
Yesterday, I bought a No7 at a different flea for $1. They were frozen, but not rusty enough to explain it.
Everyone seems to say these work great but it makes me wonder why no one makes a similar design today.
My guess is, they may in fact “work great” when they work at all, but as evidenced by the one I picked up yesterday, they can be difficult to maintain. Once jammed, the screw and nut are impracticable to access, as the design is more enclosed and held together with numerous rivets.
By contrast, ViseGrips and their knockoffs are inherently more robust - fewer parts, fewer rivets (easier and cheaper to manufacture - have you noticed the BMC screw has a weld or braze at the front?); the adjustment is accomplished by turning a bolt, easily removed or replaced (with a hex head, even!). The spring is heavier and more accessible, likewise replaceable with any handy substitute.
We can appreciate the higher level of sophistication of the BMCs, but ViseGrips are the smarter investment, both from the manufacturer and the consumer points of view.
As a market parallel, I’d suggest the popularity of the internal combustion engine: 2-stroke (ViseGrips) versus 3-stroke (BMC). Or, within the bounds of automobiles, the 4-cylinder versus the 12-cylinder. Which is more robust? Which is more reliable in the field?133E98CA-ECB2-4835-9B53-CBB54C79E823.jpeg
 
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BMC Pressure Lock Wrench on International Tool Catalog Library
Thanks, Mark! I had missed this until LS bumped the thread. Fingers crossed that someone runs into a company pamphlet or flyer or something that includes all their products one day. Besides the Pressure Lock Wrenches, they made small ratcheting screwdrivers, trouble lights, and scissors with interchangeable blades.
 

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I was killing time in an antiques shop this evening, and spotted this. Carried it around for a while, set it down, picked it up. The “patent pending” finally put me at the checkout. The top and bottom drivers are stamped on the reverse side.
 
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I'm envious, LS!!!! I've been collecting them onesie twosie for a year or so. Hadn't heard of them for seen them here before then. See post #45. And TOTO sent me a couple he posted in post #46. Otg also has the boxed set. See post #52. And I posted more info in post #53.
 
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Picked up this 7” pair of BMC’s recently complete with box and insert. Appear to have never been used. “Patent Applied For” stamping is likely to predate the “Patent Pending” markings or those with the acutal patent number on them. Scans of both sides of the insert are attached.
 

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Two BMC tubular wrenches, recently acquired. The others, longer-necked and shorter-socketed, are too pitted to tell if there ever was a brand. I’ve posted those previously, somewhere.
 

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Aa far as I know, Botnick Motor Corp never made tubular pressed steel socket wrenches, LS. Are they Braunsdorf-Mueller Company? I'm thinking it's probably the ((B)M)(Co)) logo you're looking at, that's probably the "previously", and you're just having a juxtaposition brain fart.
 

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I found a well used example of the BMC locking pliers at a Nevada garage sale this morning. The plastic insert is totally gone but they work just fine.
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Is there any thoughts on which comes first, "Patent Pending" or "Patent Applied For"?? Both are obviously before the patent was granted. Just curious why use two different types of markings before the patent?
 

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Is there any thoughts on which comes first, "Patent Pending" or "Patent Applied For"?...
I've always assumed they were a semantic choice conveying the same information.

Has anyone seen a product where one phrase migrated to the other as the patent was being prosecuted? That would be interesting.
 

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SilverDeck's BMC no 7's in post #67 say Patent Applied For. I have a pair of BMC no 9's that say Patent Pending. Just curious the line of succession of these markings?
 

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It seem kinda fussy to be redoing tooling, but there is a technically valid way the phrases could be separated in time. "Patent applied for" could be used for the period when the inventor has submitted his application to the patent office and the inventor hasn't heard anything. "Patent pending" could -- and this is a bit of a stretch -- be used for the period after the inventor has received an initial office action and the back-and-forth between patent office examiner and inventor is ongoing about what claims would be allowed.

Seems like a stretch.
 
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