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You mean the drive thru?
You know?

With the amount of "vegans" what moved in?

McDonald's had to put another lane in the drive thru!

Seems? When the "vegans" is done "veganizing"? They swing by fer a blessed Big Mac!

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Not to worry...the ice cream machine is still busted....
 
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You gonna have a picture of one on Thursday right?
Sorry for the delay, I've been away from my computer all weekend. Saw my Snap-On guy last Thursday. He said that Snap-On didn't send him a demonstrator and now they're saying it will be after the first of the year, and 3/8" drive only at first.

Sorry to disappoint, fellas. Looks like we'll be waiting a good long while before we can see them, let alone buy them...

EDIT: Looks like @demarpaint said the same thing a page ago.
 

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Sorry for the delay, I've been away from my computer all weekend. Saw my Snap-On guy last Thursday. He said that Snap-On didn't send him a demonstrator and now they're saying it will be after the first of the year, and 3/8" drive only at first.

Sorry to disappoint, fellas. Looks like we'll be waiting a good long while before we can see them, let alone buy them...

EDIT: Looks like @demarpaint said the same thing a page ago.
Yea my guy said that he expected them after January 1, he did order them. And yes 3/8" drive will be first.
 

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Not the target market and not gonna buy one but what I’m curious to hear about these is how people like the 1/4” drive ratchet. It seemed like the main downside of the dual 80 lineup is people didn’t like the 1/4” drive version as much. I’ve seen a bunch of people say something like “my whole ratchet collection is dual 80s, except 1/4” drive.” To me this seems like snap on’s chance to fix that problem.
 

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Not the target market and not gonna buy one but what I’m curious to hear about these is how people like the 1/4” drive ratchet. It seemed like the main downside of the dual 80 lineup is people didn’t like the 1/4” drive version as much. I’ve seen a bunch of people say something like “my whole ratchet collection is dual 80s, except 1/4” drive.” To me this seems like snap on’s chance to fix that problem.
The 100t anvil is not new. It is carryover from the 100t 3/8 roto ratchet that has been around years. There is no 80t roto, nor roundhead at all that I've seen.

The 72r 1/4" drive roundhead / roto line uses the same anvil as the "dual 80" 1/4" lineup. The 36t roundhead lineup preceding it was already smooth with low backlash, but does need a kit if overtorqued. The 72t update wasn't an earthshattering improvement; the 36 was already good.

A roundhead with opposing panels has the ability to be stronger than a pearhead and the 3/8 dual 80 is a kit *****. The bottom line is the 100t 3/8 pear will be stronger than the 80t 3/8 pear but it is more borne of a need for "new" than huge improvememt.

Don't count on a new 1/4 soon, nor major improvement when they do.
 

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Not the target market and not gonna buy one but what I’m curious to hear about these is how people like the 1/4” drive ratchet. It seemed like the main downside of the dual 80 lineup is people didn’t like the 1/4” drive version as much. I’ve seen a bunch of people say something like “my whole ratchet collection is dual 80s, except 1/4” drive.” To me this seems like snap on’s chance to fix that problem.

I guess I missed that the 1/4" drive Dual 80 (72) wasn't good. I have a few of them, only in 1/4 drive, and feel they're as good as my GW 90T and Matco 88T in 1/4 drive. Yes, the SO head is thicker, the Dual 80 is in all drive sizes in comparison, but the mechanism feels fine to me. It might have higher backdrag, but it's not noticeable in use. Or is the fact that they have "only" 72T the issue? Which no one would ever notice it wasn't 80T if you didn't tell them.
 

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The bottom line is the 100t 3/8 pear will be stronger than the 80t 3/8 pear but it is more borne of a need for "new" than huge improvememt.

Why would a 100T be stronger than the dual 80? The 80T anvil is the failure in the PF tests. You can't strengthen the anvil with more teeth on a gear.

All of the "better" 3/8 ratchets failed from ~250-300 lbf-ft on his test; this sounds like a lot (edit- of variation), but is basically +/-8% from the average value; this is bordering on statistically meaningless when you look at the variance in material strengths over time for the same material- it's not constant, and hardness variations in mass production- which directly affect ultimate strength.
 
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Why would a 100T be stronger than the dual 80? The 80T anvil is the failure in the PF tests. You can't strengthen the anvil with more teeth on a gear.

All of the "better" 3/8 ratchets failed from ~250-300 lbf-ft on his test; this sounds like a lot, but is basically +/-8% from the average value; this is bordering on statistically meaningless when you look at the variance in material strengths over time for the same material- it's not constant, and hardness variations in mass production- which directly affect ultimate strength.
Only thing the PF failure test really proved is that almost noone will ever overload a ratchet, not even a cheap one. Long term wear issues may be what maks a difference.
 

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The 100t anvil is not new. It is carryover from the 100t 3/8 roto ratchet that has been around years. There is no 80t roto, nor roundhead at all that I've seen.



Don't count on a new 1/4 soon, nor major improvement when they do.
Very interesting, not what I expected, sounds like I was off base.
I guess I missed that the 1/4" drive Dual 80 (72) wasn't good. I have a few of them, only in 1/4 drive, and feel they're as good as my GW 90T and Matco 88T in 1/4 drive…
Yeah I have owned a couple I found for sale cheap and they worked great for me with no issues. Ended up selling them just because for my work they didn’t help me do anything I couldn’t do with another cheaper ratchet. They didn’t feel as nice as the 3/8” drive dual 80 I had and sold for the same reason but I had no complaints about them. I’ve just seen people saying on here and other sites that they don’t like them and go for another brand in 1/4” drive.

The one snap on ratchet I’ve kept is a 3/8” drive in 1/4” body 39(?) tooth roto ratchet with plain steel handle. Love that thing. Basically use it as a 3/8” drive version of the Titan micro swivel.
 

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Very interesting, not what I expected, sounds like I was off base.

Yeah I have owned a couple I found for sale cheap and they worked great for me with no issues. Ended up selling them just because for my work they didn’t help me do anything I couldn’t do with another cheaper ratchet. They didn’t feel as nice as the 3/8” drive dual 80 I had and sold for the same reason but I had no complaints about them. I’ve just seen people saying on here and other sites that they don’t like them and go for another brand in 1/4” drive.

The one snap on ratchet I’ve kept is a 3/8” drive in 1/4” body 39(?) tooth roto ratchet with plain steel handle. Love that thing. Basically use it as a 3/8” drive version of the Titan micro swivel.

No idea on the overall opinion on the 1/4 SO here. The only reason I have the SO and the Matco is because they're in longer lengths that isn't available in the GW 90T. They all seem about the same to me as far as function though- yeah, blasphemy :LOL: . Project Farm tested both the SO 3/8 and 1/4 dual 80 and they both did fairly well. Maybe the 1/4 didn't do as well as the 3/8 in the overall rankings, I don't remember, but it did well overall. But neither the 3/8 or 1/4 SO performed to a high enough level over the others to justify their cost IMO. Like you said, they don't do anything that a cheaper ratchet also does; but, both SO and Matco do offer an impressive selection of choices that no one else does.

The bottom line is that you can go to Home Depot, or Auto Zone, today and get a standard length ratchet that is comparable, in most respects, to what comes off a tool truck- for a fraction of the cost; and superior to what you could get off a tool truck 20 years ago.

Getting back to the F100, it's good that they slimmed down the thickness of the heads, and I like that they seem to have matched the overall lengths of the standard and comfort grip ratchets. I thought it was weird that the Dual 80 lengths could vary significantly between handle choice.
 

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I guess I missed that the 1/4" drive Dual 80 (72) wasn't good. I have a few of them, only in 1/4 drive, and feel they're as good as my GW 90T and Matco 88T in 1/4 drive. Yes, the SO head is thicker, the Dual 80 is in all drive sizes in comparison, but the mechanism feels fine to me. It might have higher backdrag, but it's not noticeable in use. Or is the fact that they have "only" 72T the issue? Which no one would ever notice it wasn't 80T if you didn't tell them.
I'm with you, I like my T72 quite a bit.
 

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I just recently purchased one of the new 100 tooth stubby flexhead FKF-100 rats...and paid for it as well. But they are "new", at least for the moment. I can't wait to see how small those teeth will be. Interesting how they're gradually moving ever so slightly more towards the gearless F-ZERO (zero teeth). I too am also curious as well about the interchangeability of the 80 to the 100 tooth guts. I think I'm going to take apart both just to compare the two when I have a moment.👍
 

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Most of my tools are Snap On. I tend to default to them. But I’m not anxious to upgrade from dual 80 to the F100. I don’t see any advantage.

My next ratchet purchases will be hard handle rotos.
 

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The 100t anvil is not new. It is carryover from the 100t 3/8 roto ratchet that has been around years. There is no 80t roto, nor roundhead at all that I've seen.

The 72r 1/4" drive roundhead / roto line uses the same anvil as the "dual 80" 1/4" lineup. The 36t roundhead lineup preceding it was already smooth with low backlash, but does need a kit if overtorqued. The 72t update wasn't an earthshattering improvement; the 36 was already good.

A roundhead with opposing panels has the ability to be stronger than a pearhead and the 3/8 dual 80 is a kit *****. The bottom line is the 100t 3/8 pear will be stronger than the 80t 3/8 pear but it is more borne of a need for "new" than huge improvememt.

Don't count on a new 1/4 soon, nor major improvement when they do.

I have a LOT of 1/4" ratchets, and I'm picky. My TR72 is almost always the first one I pick up. Great ratchets, IMO.
 

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For those interested, this dude has a review up on the YouTubes.



Thanks for posting.

OK so I see a few things I like about the F100 vs. F80. A bit of extra OAL, slightly longer grip area, slimmer head, chromed steel direction switch that has been machined. All nice upgrades. But the proof is in the smoothness and lightness of the action. If it's at least as good as the D80 and the price is about the same, it's not bad.

OTOH, the comfort grips are f'ugly, and 100t over Dual80 isn't enough to move me on tooth count alone.
 
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Well I got it today! FKF-100. Beautiful! I especially like how they reverted back to the older logo! Also, the screws now go through the head, (similar to the older F series rats) instead of connecting through on the plate side. It does kinda bear a resemblance to the old FKF-936, minus the logo. It does also have a thinner profile, 15/32" just as the specs say. I have not done any exploratory examination of the internals yet. Maybe on a rainy day...or I mean snowy around here this time of year. But if I was to guess, I would bet that the 80 tooth internals aren't interchangeable with these new 100's. For one, the thickness in the heads are different, and there are probably other differences in machining between the two as well.
 

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Being that it's in cursive, a lot of younger people aren't going to know what it says.

Kid: What's up with this fancy cursive on the new Snap-on ratchet? I can't read it.

Old Guy: You don't recognize that? That logo? That ratchet won us World War II, kid! Precision, toughness, and you're here struggling with it? Tighten that bolt like you mean it, and show some respect for history!
 

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I got mine from Snap On guy,

It has it uses, but I like my 80s better, I think 1/4 will be game changer
its about gearwrench 3/8 head size
 

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Still not available from the industrial rep. I've been trying to buy one.
I got mine on the bay. The seller made me a reasonable offer and I took it. Actually, all things considered it was very reasonable for the fact that they're brand new and never used. I even went onto Snap-On's website and you can't even purchase one there. It just says contact customer support. There are more different model 100's just starting to make their way onto the bay. But I still wonder if buying from a non S-O source (not a dealer) will void the lifetime warranty that the tool comes with?🤔
 

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My guy said he'd have them on the truck about the third week of January. Ebay has a few but they're price gouging imo, just like they were doing with the LN47ACF pliers when they first came out.
 

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I got mine from Snap On guy

It has it uses, but I like my 80s better
Why do you like the Dual 80 better?

I think 1/4 will be game changer
Why?

I find it hard to fault my Dual 80 flex-head TF72. It’s strong, versatile, and has very low back-drag (clearly lower than any of my other 1/4″ ratchets which include Facom, Gedore, and Proxxon models of which only the round-head Facom are any good for back-drag).
 

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New design looks smaller, but still pretty chunky. Dunno if that'll get into some places where the 3/8" Matco can go (with Snap-On low profile sockets).

I'm hooked on Dual 80 for 1/2".

-Ryan
 

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New design looks smaller, but still pretty chunky. Dunno if that'll get into some places where the 3/8" Matco can go (with Snap-On low profile sockets).

I'm hooked on Dual 80 for 1/2".

-Ryan

Per the SO specs, the F100 3/8 head dimensions are essentially the same as the Matco 88 at .47 thick X 1.22 wide. The selector switch on the SO might make it slightly thicker if you add that in for both. Either way, it's a nice reduction from the .56 X 1.25 of the typical 3/8
dual 80; the long flex head 3/8 D80s use a larger head.
 

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So by the way, yesterday I did manage to tear into this new FKF-100 I just got, and was surprised by what I saw inside. The internals on these "dual 100's" are substantially somewhat different when compared to the dual 80's. Looks like a combination of the older mechanism design and newer one, where you have the traditional centralized spring and ball dropping down under the pawl ("in this case, the pawl block assembly") to act as the directional differentiator. The selector is a completely new design as well. The pawls are nolonger connected by a spring as seen with the dual 80's, rather they are independent of one another. I will however say that there is one feature about the pawls which to me appears to be a weak point. Each pawl has a very small hook tab on the ends of the pawl, which in turn fit into corresponding recesses on the centralized main block. These tabs ensure that the pawls remain seated in their cradle and prevent them from falling out of the cradle. Each pawl fit into it's own cradle and sit in the main block, similar to the 80 design, except there the pawl sat above the block over a sheet spring. But those small tabs on the pawls look rather fragile...at least imo. I guess time will tell how well these hold up to use and abuse. The new mechanism in the 100 feels to have a slightly greater backdrag when compared to the smooth 80's, at least to me. But that could be due to the fact that it's simply just not broken in yet. And then there is one more con...(or pro, depending on your own preference). The selector action is nolonger independent from the ratcheting action anymore, as it was in the dual 80's where you could keep your finger rested on the selector, and you would not interfere with the ratcheting action at all no matter how hard you pressed the selector. Pressing on the selector while trying to turn the anvil, stops the action to a dead stop on this FKF-100. So I guess we'll see eventually if the 100's stick around or not? Overall, I think it will be a mixed bag of feelings towards them? 🤔
 
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So by the way, yesterday I did manage to tear into this new FKF-100 I just got, and was surprised by what I saw inside. The internals on these "dual 100's" are substantially somewhat different when compared to the dual 80's. Looks like a combination of the older mechanism design and newer one, where you have the traditional centralized spring and ball dropping down under the pawl ("in this case, the pawl block assembly") to act as the directional differentiator. The selector is a completely new design as well. The pawls are nolonger connected by a spring as seen with the dual 80's, rather they are independent of one another. I will however say that there is one feature about the pawls which to me appears to be a weak point. Each pawl has a very small hook tab on the ends of the pawl, which in turn fit into corresponding recesses on the centralized main block. These tabs ensure that the pawls remain seated in their cradle and prevent them from falling out of the cradle. Each pawl fit into it's own cradle and sit in the main block, similar to the 80 design, except there the pawl sat above the block over a sheet spring. But those small tabs on the pawls look rather fragile...at least imo. I guess time will tell how well these hold up to use and abuse. The new mechanism in the 100 feels to have a slightly greater backdrag when compared to the smooth 80's, at least to me. But that could be due to the fact that it's simply just not broken in yet. And then there is one more con...(or pro, depending on your own preference). The selector action is nolonger independent from the ratcheting action anymore, as it was in the dual 80's where you could keep your finger rested on the selector, and you would not interfere with the ratcheting action at all no matter how hard you pressed the selector. Pressing on the selector while trying to turn the anvil, stops the action to a dead stop on this FKF-100. So I guess we'll see eventually if the 100's stick around or not? Overall, I think it will be a mixed bag of feelings towards them? 🤔
Any pictures of the 100T mechanism?
 

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I will see if I can take a few tomorrow for you. It will be towards the evening.👍

There are pictures on page 3 and 4 of this thread that show the mechanism.

I'm sure the strength will be fine, but it will be interesting to see the back drag numbers on the 100, and how it compares to the rest of the field, especially the Dual 80, Matco 88, and GW 90.
 
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