You gonna have a picture of one on Thursday right?My Snap-On guy says he'll have these on the truck next Thursday. I'll try to get a feel for them and snap some pics if I can; hell, I might even buy one if there's a 1/4" drive locking flex quick release option.
Sorry for the delay, I've been away from my computer all weekend. Saw my Snap-On guy last Thursday. He said that Snap-On didn't send him a demonstrator and now they're saying it will be after the first of the year, and 3/8" drive only at first.You gonna have a picture of one on Thursday right?
Yea my guy said that he expected them after January 1, he did order them. And yes 3/8" drive will be first.Sorry for the delay, I've been away from my computer all weekend. Saw my Snap-On guy last Thursday. He said that Snap-On didn't send him a demonstrator and now they're saying it will be after the first of the year, and 3/8" drive only at first.
Sorry to disappoint, fellas. Looks like we'll be waiting a good long while before we can see them, let alone buy them...
EDIT: Looks like @demarpaint said the same thing a page ago.
The 100t anvil is not new. It is carryover from the 100t 3/8 roto ratchet that has been around years. There is no 80t roto, nor roundhead at all that I've seen.Not the target market and not gonna buy one but what I’m curious to hear about these is how people like the 1/4” drive ratchet. It seemed like the main downside of the dual 80 lineup is people didn’t like the 1/4” drive version as much. I’ve seen a bunch of people say something like “my whole ratchet collection is dual 80s, except 1/4” drive.” To me this seems like snap on’s chance to fix that problem.
Not the target market and not gonna buy one but what I’m curious to hear about these is how people like the 1/4” drive ratchet. It seemed like the main downside of the dual 80 lineup is people didn’t like the 1/4” drive version as much. I’ve seen a bunch of people say something like “my whole ratchet collection is dual 80s, except 1/4” drive.” To me this seems like snap on’s chance to fix that problem.
The bottom line is the 100t 3/8 pear will be stronger than the 80t 3/8 pear but it is more borne of a need for "new" than huge improvememt.
Only thing the PF failure test really proved is that almost noone will ever overload a ratchet, not even a cheap one. Long term wear issues may be what maks a difference.Why would a 100T be stronger than the dual 80? The 80T anvil is the failure in the PF tests. You can't strengthen the anvil with more teeth on a gear.
All of the "better" 3/8 ratchets failed from ~250-300 lbf-ft on his test; this sounds like a lot, but is basically +/-8% from the average value; this is bordering on statistically meaningless when you look at the variance in material strengths over time for the same material- it's not constant, and hardness variations in mass production- which directly affect ultimate strength.
Only thing the PF failure test really proved is that almost noone will ever overload a ratchet, not even a cheap one. Long term wear issues may be what maks a difference.
Very interesting, not what I expected, sounds like I was off base.The 100t anvil is not new. It is carryover from the 100t 3/8 roto ratchet that has been around years. There is no 80t roto, nor roundhead at all that I've seen.
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Don't count on a new 1/4 soon, nor major improvement when they do.
Yeah I have owned a couple I found for sale cheap and they worked great for me with no issues. Ended up selling them just because for my work they didn’t help me do anything I couldn’t do with another cheaper ratchet. They didn’t feel as nice as the 3/8” drive dual 80 I had and sold for the same reason but I had no complaints about them. I’ve just seen people saying on here and other sites that they don’t like them and go for another brand in 1/4” drive.I guess I missed that the 1/4" drive Dual 80 (72) wasn't good. I have a few of them, only in 1/4 drive, and feel they're as good as my GW 90T and Matco 88T in 1/4 drive…
For those interested, this dude has a review up on the YouTubes.
Very interesting, not what I expected, sounds like I was off base.
Yeah I have owned a couple I found for sale cheap and they worked great for me with no issues. Ended up selling them just because for my work they didn’t help me do anything I couldn’t do with another cheaper ratchet. They didn’t feel as nice as the 3/8” drive dual 80 I had and sold for the same reason but I had no complaints about them. I’ve just seen people saying on here and other sites that they don’t like them and go for another brand in 1/4” drive.
The one snap on ratchet I’ve kept is a 3/8” drive in 1/4” body 39(?) tooth roto ratchet with plain steel handle. Love that thing. Basically use it as a 3/8” drive version of the Titan micro swivel.
I'm with you, I like my T72 quite a bit.I guess I missed that the 1/4" drive Dual 80 (72) wasn't good. I have a few of them, only in 1/4 drive, and feel they're as good as my GW 90T and Matco 88T in 1/4 drive. Yes, the SO head is thicker, the Dual 80 is in all drive sizes in comparison, but the mechanism feels fine to me. It might have higher backdrag, but it's not noticeable in use. Or is the fact that they have "only" 72T the issue? Which no one would ever notice it wasn't 80T if you didn't tell them.
The 100t anvil is not new. It is carryover from the 100t 3/8 roto ratchet that has been around years. There is no 80t roto, nor roundhead at all that I've seen.
The 72r 1/4" drive roundhead / roto line uses the same anvil as the "dual 80" 1/4" lineup. The 36t roundhead lineup preceding it was already smooth with low backlash, but does need a kit if overtorqued. The 72t update wasn't an earthshattering improvement; the 36 was already good.
A roundhead with opposing panels has the ability to be stronger than a pearhead and the 3/8 dual 80 is a kit *****. The bottom line is the 100t 3/8 pear will be stronger than the 80t 3/8 pear but it is more borne of a need for "new" than huge improvememt.
Don't count on a new 1/4 soon, nor major improvement when they do.
For those interested, this dude has a review up on the YouTubes.
Being that it's in cursive, a lot of younger people aren't going to know what it says.I especially like how they reverted back to the older logo!
Being that it's in cursive, a lot of younger people aren't going to know what it says.
I got mine on the bay. The seller made me a reasonable offer and I took it. Actually, all things considered it was very reasonable for the fact that they're brand new and never used. I even went onto Snap-On's website and you can't even purchase one there. It just says contact customer support. There are more different model 100's just starting to make their way onto the bay. But I still wonder if buying from a non S-O source (not a dealer) will void the lifetime warranty that the tool comes with?Still not available from the industrial rep. I've been trying to buy one.
Why do you like the Dual 80 better?I got mine from Snap On guy
It has it uses, but I like my 80s better
Why?I think 1/4 will be game changer
New design looks smaller, but still pretty chunky. Dunno if that'll get into some places where the 3/8" Matco can go (with Snap-On low profile sockets).
I'm hooked on Dual 80 for 1/2".
-Ryan
Any pictures of the 100T mechanism?So by the way, yesterday I did manage to tear into this new FKF-100 I just got, and was surprised by what I saw inside. The internals on these "dual 100's" are substantially somewhat different when compared to the dual 80's. Looks like a combination of the older mechanism design and newer one, where you have the traditional centralized spring and ball dropping down under the pawl ("in this case, the pawl block assembly") to act as the directional differentiator. The selector is a completely new design as well. The pawls are nolonger connected by a spring as seen with the dual 80's, rather they are independent of one another. I will however say that there is one feature about the pawls which to me appears to be a weak point. Each pawl has a very small hook tab on the ends of the pawl, which in turn fit into corresponding recesses on the centralized main block. These tabs ensure that the pawls remain seated in their cradle and prevent them from falling out of the cradle. Each pawl fit into it's own cradle and sit in the main block, similar to the 80 design, except there the pawl sat above the block over a sheet spring. But those small tabs on the pawls look rather fragile...at least imo. I guess time will tell how well these hold up to use and abuse. The new mechanism in the 100 feels to have a slightly greater backdrag when compared to the smooth 80's, at least to me. But that could be due to the fact that it's simply just not broken in yet. And then there is one more con...(or pro, depending on your own preference). The selector action is nolonger independent from the ratcheting action anymore, as it was in the dual 80's where you could keep your finger rested on the selector, and you would not interfere with the ratcheting action at all no matter how hard you pressed the selector. Pressing on the selector while trying to turn the anvil, stops the action to a dead stop on this FKF-100. So I guess we'll see eventually if the 100's stick around or not? Overall, I think it will be a mixed bag of feelings towards them?![]()
I will see if I can take a few tomorrow for you. It will be towards the evening.Any pictures of the 100T mechanism?
I will see if I can take a few tomorrow for you. It will be towards the evening.![]()
If they were to move the Dual 80 over to Williams and put the black hard handle on there, that would be awesome.