nine4's projects, restorations and blunders

[nine4gmc]

Strouty, I think it was just over thinned. It says add up to 5% mineral spirits and I put about 60% . The old paint is real thick, a little MS doesn't thin it and lot made it separate. The motor is still untested, I am soldering new wires on it and replacing the bearings hopefully tonight and then I can test it.

Dimoncenzo, I think it would be hard to achieve the same pattern on different parts. The horizontal surfaces on parts did not break up as bad as the vertical ones. I will post pics of the motor later so you can see what I mean.

Thanks for posting guys!

 

[drivesitfar]

Nines: it might be over thinned or did you have any WD or spirits on the post before you shot the paint? that happened to me once and i had to re shoot mine because i was doing white.

 

[nine4gmc]

It was definitely over thinned. I put about 20% mineral spirits in some paint in a cup and stirred it up. It was still thick but I put it in the gun to try and it would not spray. I poured it back in the cup and put about 50/50 mineral spirits/paint and mixed it up, the color lightened up and the paint was suspended in the mix, I got ansy and shot it anyway. I had to dab the wet mineral spirits off the next day and dump out the concave parts that pooled. It was a total mess, major blunder added to my list but the pole just happened to look cool, along with the motor caps. I gotta figure out what I'm going to do with the mess on the other parts, luckily it was mostly the backs/insides.

 

[Shiftless]

Nines: it might be over thinned or did you have any WD or spirits on the post before you shot the paint? that happened to me once and i had to re shoot mine because i was doing white.

I've been lurking in this thread for a while and decided to throw my $.02 in regarding paint.
Everyone seems in agreement that to get a smooth finish, the surface has to be clean and free of oils.
But that metal post you did with the garage sale paint looks WAY more interesting that way compared to a perfectly applied smooth paint job. Nines.
Even with latex paint, my high end house painter friend and neighbor washes, sands and washes again before priming and painting trim.

When painting metal, I like to use acetone for final cleaning before the brushes come out.

 

[nine4gmc]

Hey, thanks for posting Shiftless! I used mineral spirits since I had it out, it did not evaporate fast enough, plus the over abundance I poured in the paint. Oh well, got it right this time.

Now I'm debating redoing the pole and motor caps but for now I gotta get the electrical sorted out while the paint finishes drying. Also had a mix up in ordering the bearings, it seems the upper wheel is a 6202 but it has a special 5/8" center diameter so I got the right ones ordered. Luckily the standard 6202's that was wrong for the saw were a perfect match for the Craftsman motor.

 

[dlcwent]

That looks real nice nines. Is that what you think the original color was? Or is it?

 

[nine4gmc]

No, it's far from factory color. The oem was machine gray, I wanted to change it up. When I was going through my paint stash, I saw the green and knew right then if I could get it to mix up, I was using it! The color is awesome in person, should have better pics tomorrow.

 

[dlcwent]

Well I like the green. I know the gray you're talking about. I think you made a good choice. Even if it was just to use up some old paint.

 

[yaidunno]

Nice color! It's very fitting for that vintage of saw.

 

[drivesitfar]

Nines: awesome color and nice finish too. Just an fyi on smallish parts a few of the guys bought new HF smokers for $100 and bake the paint on them. Ive been thinnking of just getting a vintage old oven/range for the shop, but where to put is always a problem.

Nice that the wrong bearings fit the motor.

 

[jakemac]

^^^^^ Correction ^^^^^
The smokers the members bought were from Tractor Supply, and they were on seasonal closeout.

 

[Tsquare]

Looks really nice - nothing says vintage machinery like green hammer tone - well done

 

[drivesitfar]

Jake: thanks for correcting me. I thought Joe and Bagged bought the at HF. Nines might even have an old smoker laying around?

 

[Shiftless]

Yeah,
Space is the problem for ovens. I have had to pass up some very nice second hand wall ovens (free on C/L) because I have no space. 220 is right there but the space is not.

Have any of you guys tried a couple of those infrared bulbs that they use to keep food warm in diners? I have seen those rated up to 250 watts each, so I'd bet they would heat up large chunks of iron nicely. A digital non contact thermometer would take care of measuring the temperature of the work piece. By varying the distance, a guy could vary the amount of heat supplied so as not to overcook his project.

Just thinking out loud here...

 

[drivesitfar]

Shift: good idea. no I have only painted in warm weather, but projects will stack up in the winter now that i'm getting closer to restoring some of my stuff so looking for options.

Nines: did i mention that your bandsaw is going to be BAD ***?? do you have a spot for it in the line of your other machines or is it heading back out the door?

 

[nine4gmc]

Thanks guys, the new bearings should be here by Saturday so maybe I can get this thing back together over the weekend. This is a keeper Drives, I sold my newer plastic Craftsman band saw to make room for this one.

 

[dlcwent]

You had a plastic craftsman band saw?? Was it at least polycarbonate? And I can only assume that you are talking about the casing and not the blade.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yeah,
Space is the problem for ovens. I have had to pass up some very nice second hand wall ovens (free on C/L) because I have no space. 220 is right there but the space is not.

Have any of you guys tried a couple of those infrared bulbs that they use to keep food warm in diners? I have seen those rated up to 250 watts each, so I'd bet they would heat up large chunks of iron nicely. A digital non contact thermometer would take care of measuring the temperature of the work piece. By varying the distance, a guy could vary the amount of heat supplied so as not to overcook his project.

Just thinking out loud here...

Yes, heat lamps will work.

 

[nine4gmc]

It was the case DLC, like this one from the interweb.

 

[Strouty]

No updates?

 

[nine4gmc]

Waiting on the correct bearings for the saw so I can get it back together. I did get to chang out the old clutch motor on my sewing machine to a servo motor with adjustable speed. Went from a funny car dragster that only wants to go straight and fast to a well tuned street machine that handles the curves and speed bumps with more torque and speed range

A few weeks back I started a garage sale pile in the shop in preparation of an anticipated upcoming sale but it looks like the weather is not going to allow it just yet and I need my space back so I'm kind of screwed atm.

Today I am headed out to help my scrap guy load up some ATM machines, about 600# of fun each I suppose, yay.

 

[drivesitfar]

Nines: i've seen some 800 pound lift carts that would do wonders for your back if you can find one to use for the ATM machines. they usually run from $100 for the HF cheaper model used to over $500 for a good one. or good old lift with your legs and get exercise is what i'm doing too until i find a good one i want to buy.

i hate the sales piles that linger and tried to lease a storage unit for just that until i filled that one up too.

good luck and again that bandsaw is looking great so far.

 

[MercLSU]

Today I am headed out to help my scrap guy load up some ATM machines, about 600# of fun each I suppose, yay.

It's always easier with a friend...

 

[nine4gmc]

Well, we got that done. I think tomorrow I am going to try to salvage some plate from one.They look to be 1/2" thick steel boxes so i should be able to get a couple sides and or back and have some nice chunks of steel to play with.

 

[Strouty]

You used NPT to steal ATM machines?

 

[nine4gmc]

Yes, in plain daylight, even easier with the keys in hand, no one even took a second look.


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[Strouty]

Take some pictures of the machines when getting the plate out of them, I am curious to see how they are made. I would have guessed that there would be concrete in them as well.

 

[nine4gmc]

No concrete in these, I'll get a pic tomorrow.


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[Shiftless]

Yes, in plain daylight, even easier with the keys in hand, no one even took a second look.

Yeah, it's amazing what you can get away with if you just look like an honest guy and proceed calmly.
I once participated in a security check at a secure government building. There was a guard at the door, you had to have photo badges, sign in and out, that kind of stuff.
As a test, with my supervisors approval, I stacked up about $5000 worth of computer equipment on a hand truck, removed my photo badge, and wheeled it past the guard, through the front double doors, and loaded it into the trunk of my old Volvo sedan parked in front of the building. Nobody tried to stop me or even asked me a question.
(in case anybody was wondering...clean shaven, long sleeve button down shirt, necktie, khakis, polished shoes)
I then put it all back on the hand truck and put it back in the office where it came from.
Still no questions!

 

[nine4gmc]

A few years back at a local casino here, some guys pulled up to the main doors with a white van and parked. They got out in work style jumpsuits with a hand truck and walked right in to the casino lobby and back out with the ATM machine. They were gone in a minute, no one questioned anything.

We were NOT those guys and these are NOT those machines.

These are just 1/2" plate all around with strips of 1/2" plate around the door for the latch to catch on and brackets welded on the sides for the mechanism to hang on. No double wall construction or concrete, I guess because they rarely hold more than $3k and that is fully insured.

 

[dodge610]

Well on top of heisting ATM machines did you ever finish up hat bandsaw or still waiting on parts.

 

[ttpete]

In Detroit, they'll steal a truck, back it through the front door of a store, put a chain around the ATM and jerk it out of the floor, then load it up.

 

[nine4gmc]

Well on top of heisting ATM machines did you ever finish up hat bandsaw or still waiting on parts.

Waiting on bearings, should be today or tomorrow.

In Detroit, they'll steal a truck, back it through the front door of a store, put a chain around the ATM and jerk it out of the floor, then load it up.

Couple years after my HS graduation, my best friend's little brother and his friend test drove a new truck at a dealership in the next town over. They went and had a key made for it while they were test driving it. Over the weekend, they went back to the closed dealership and drive the truck off the lot straight to a convenience store to steal the ATM as you mentioned. They messed up and backed over a parking curb and the truck got stuck between it and the sidewalk so they bailed. The dealerships back then would photo copy anyones drivers license that test drove a vehicle so they only had to look back at the records to find who did it. Stupid kids got a few years for that one, had to pay serious fines and damage to the store/vehicle, all for a few thousand dollars at most. ***** better have a billion dollars in it for me to think about stealing it.

 

[Outlawmws]

Nine, How tall are those? Since you have the keys I'd be thinking gun safes...

 

[nine4gmc]

We had the keys to the store they were in, not the actual atm machines. If you look at the second pic, you'll see where I plasma cut the door in a "D" shape to access the cast aluminum part of the lock so that we could bust them out and open the door. In the third pic, you'll see four screw holes right above the lock mechanism where the cast part was bolted on, pry bar and a sledge hammer and you are in. They are short, like 3.5' or so, they'd make good handgun safes or dynamite cabinets.

 

[MarkG]

Just finished the lamp and stool to match.

Wow! My Dad had that same desk lamp----it was brown with a flexible arm, if I remember right.

 

[MarkG]

Thanks shephd!

This is what had my free time ******* over the weekend. I didn't get a good "before" pic, just seen in the upper left of the garage sale pic here.

I started with the motor wiring, it was complete toast.

New wiring with ground.

Forgot to get pics after sand blasting and priming, here is final coat drying.

Here you can see the previous owners attempt at fixing the wire grill and the broken sections.

After repair and the tools used.

And back together, now it actually oscillates!!

That 'guard' should keep large dogs from completely entering the spinning blade at least! :S Obviously built before OSHA!

 

[nine4gmc]

Hey Mark, thanks for posting! The fan is actually safe if you stick your finger in from the front, the pitch on the blades makes it bounce off but putting your finger in from the back could hurt.
Definitely could not manufacture these today with all the ambulance chasing lawyers out there...


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[Shiftless]

Hey Mark, thanks for posting! The fan is actually safe if you stick your finger in from the front, the pitch on the blades makes it bounce off but putting your finger in from the back could hurt.
Definitely could not manufacture these today with all the ambulance chasing lawyers out there...


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I'm not sure you can use the words "safe" and "the fan" in the same sentence
I have a similar oscillating fan (Hunter) that I rescued from a dumpster back in the late '70's. Still works great. 3 speed motor. Non-OSHA approved guard to be sure!

 

[nine4gmc]

I just finished removing years of grime, rust and paint from the band saw table and while it's drying I decided to get some pics of where I'm at now. New upper wheel bearings, lower felt fine and no direct replacement as of yet so I'll roll with them, so to say. New urethane tires from ebay. Mid Green Hammertite and Black Hammer Rustoleum. Still have a few things to paint, drill and mount, wire and put back together so back to work now.