Pliers; How Many Is Too Many?

[Eric Brown]

Here are some more modern large pliers. Could not resist buying them as soon as I saw them. The first is a 20" Channellock model 480 that actually says "BIG AZZ" on them. The second pair are like oversized linesmen pliers by Lawson Industries (is also marked Cr-V).
These have great power. The nose also has a round groove that comes in handy. Last is a German pair of linesman pliers made by Maasdam that have a very long nose.

 

[Eric Brown]

Here are three different sheet metal nibblers. L-R: Adel, unmarked but probably either Tiawan or Japan, and unknown. The Adel is marked Adel Tool Co. Chicago IL. on one side, Soft Mat. Only not over 18ga (.047) steel on the other. It cuts a notch about 1/4" wide. Mine are missing a spring and U-shaped piece at the end. Shown in another picture. Also some literature. The Japan one is more modern and cuts a similat groove. The last is probably off a machine because of the square handles and direction of the notch.

 

[four.cycle]

^ Those Lawsons appear to be imports. That "CR-V" is a tell.
The "Maasdam" unit is mentioned in another thread HERE.
The Amazon.com listings for the "Maasdam fence pliers" (as they are listed) claims they are U.S. made. (still digging on that one.)

(best wild guess: the Amazon.com page is in error.)

 

[Eric Brown]

^ Those Lawsons appear to be imports. That "CR-V" is a tell.
The "Maasdam" unit is mentioned in another thread HERE.
The Amazon.com listings for the "Maasdam fence pliers" (as they are listed) claims they are U.S. made. (still digging on that one.)

(best wild guess: the Amazon.com page is in error.)

I agree the Lawsons are probably imports. Think I got them at one of the local box stores. My Maasdam also says made in Germany so Amazon probably wrong.

 

[Beerhippie]

I agree the Lawsons are probably imports. Think I got them at one of the local box stores. My Maasdam also says made in Germany so Amazon probably wrong.

Say it ain't so!

 

[four.cycle]

^ THAT handle "design" (if we can call it that) is a knock-off of the ProAmerica grips, using different colored rubber. LOTS and LOTS of Asian import pliers (primarily from China PRC) use that handle. Some of them use the cobalt blue so they're almost indistinguishable from the ProAmerica.

I'd have to agree on the Amazon glitch - We don't generally stamp "Germany" on tools made here in the U.S.
Have not yet had a chance to really look at that company - it looks like that pair of pliers is all they offer in the way of "hand tool", which begs the question of "who did they outsource it from?"

 

[Eric Brown]

Here is my Winner Tool Company plier wrench. William T. Long patent 1408524 (Mar 7, 1922). It differs from the patent in that it does not have "holding bail" at the end of the handle.

 

[Beerhippie]

Here is my Winner Tool Company plier wrench. William T. Long patent 1408524 (Mar 7, 1922). It differs from the patent in that it does not have "holding bail" at the end of the handle.

I wouldn't have thought of Puyallup as a manufacturing center!

 

[Eric Brown]

Here are some Chain/Master Link pliers. For chains on bicycles, motorcycles and machinery. Adjustable for different sizes. Also is good for taking master links apart or pulling the chain together. Patented by John W. King 5193336 (Mar 16, 1993).

 

[Eric Brown]

I wouldn't have thought of Puyallup as a manufacturing center!

Not much goes on in that little town. They also have/had a jam company. Guess they are most famous for people who are associated with it. Good day to learn something new.

 

[Beerhippie]

Not much goes on in that little town. They also have/had a jam company. Guess they are most famous for people who are associated with it. Good day to learn something new.

Kinda' a bedroom community for Tacoma, ain't it?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Here is my Winner Tool Company plier wrench. William T. Long patent 1408524 (Mar 7, 1922). It differs from the patent in that it does not have "holding bail" at the end of the handle.

Did it ever get produced that way? A few Winner lever-type adjustable wrenches have been posted on the 'Oddfellow' wrenches thread and none of them have had the bail or a provision for a bail. You can see @Moldyjim 's here. And you can see a couple of @HeelSpur 's here. For comprehensiveness, Winner Tool Co. did produce a completely different wedge-type adjustable wrench, also patented by W.T. Long, a few years later. @Provincial found and posted an example on the 'Oddfellow' wrenches thread here.

 

[four.cycle]

I wouldn't have thought of Puyallup as a manufacturing center!

Puyallup almost abuts Tacoma's eastern boundary - there's a sliver of unincorporated County land in between.
Surprisingly, there were some odd wrenches manufactured around here: Stovall from P.A., Usona from the Emerald City, the loosely associated Winner of Puyallup, and Ideal from the City of Destiny.
Appropriately, none of which anybody ever heard of.

 

[Eric Brown]

Another interesting pair of watch repair pliers. Not listed in either Alloy Artifacts or DATAMP. Patented by Aaron F. Boylan and Elzie C. Chamberlin, both of Denison Iowa. Patent number 747852 (Dec. 22, 1903. It's primary function is to fix sprung hinges on old pocket watches. When closed there is still a gap. One jaw is narrower. Only marking is inside on handle is "PAT DEC 22, 03". Only 4" long.

 

[Eric Brown]

Here are two combination pliers, both from Germany. The first one is a little bigger than the second. These are the tools that don't do much of anything well. The second one has a leather pouch and indicates it was given to a Mr. Townsend for Christmas 1932.

 

[Beerhippie]

Today's haul:







Early (1900-1910) chain or three-oval logo. Possibly the oldest pair of pliers I have--and they're still tight and smooth as butter. 8 1/2" OAL.



4" smooth-jaw duckbills. A little oil and they'll be back in use.

 

[Beerhippie]

The Utica pliers turn out to be No. 1000-8, 8" Giant Button's Pattern. At least as early as 1906.

 

[Beerhippie]

They cleaned up real nice:





The little Channellocks were nearly frozen. Now they're smooth as silk.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Just plucked these out of a pile of junk at the flea this morning. Schollhorn BERNARD gas and side-cutters with the hollow folded pressed steel handles. Much more on the Schollhorn thread here...

W. Schollhorn Company/ W.A. Bernard

^ the address on Chambers Street looks familiar.

www.garagejournal.com

 

[d42jeep]

These look Harrold to me although they are unmarked. Opinions?


-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Sorry Don, No Clue.

 

[LesserSon]

@d42jeep
Don, I think they are unquestionably Harrold, despite not bearing the name.
I’m not near my stash, so can’t take a grip pattern shot but this earlier post shows most of the slipjoint features, agreeing with yours.

Ah, HERE is a better post with additional views on the Harrold thread.

 

[Outlawmws]

I picked this pair of Craftsman 8" pliers yesterday



-I almost left them as "new common" until I saw the grips - Sort of a steel braided cable pattern:



I know I've seen this pattern shown in the past few weeks, but could not find any reference in the past couple of months in this thread.

Then, as I was posting pics, I noted the font - its an early geometric font, with the double = = hash marks. so now I'm thinking maybe late 40's early 50's? then the pivot bolt head is near flush. another oddity for the presumed era...

Lastly, the jaw pattern is not common. Similar to some BluePoint pliers posted earlier this page.


Any Ideas guys?

 

[LesserSon]

I picked this pair of Craftsman 8" pliers yesterday



-I almost left them as "new common" until I saw the grips - Sort of a steel braided cable pattern:



I know I've seen this pattern shown in the past few weeks, but could not find any reference in the past couple of months in this thread.

Then, as I was posting pics, I noted the font - its an early geometric font, with the double = = hash marks. so now I'm thinking maybe late 40's early 50's? then the pivot bolt head is near flush. another oddity for the presumed era...

Lastly, the jaw pattern is not common. Similar to some BluePoint pliers posted earlier this page.


Any Ideas guys?

They are Wilde production - or do you think not?

 

[d42jeep]

Wilde also supplied some pliers to Plomb.
-Don

 

[imagineer]

When the drawer won't close...you got too many.

Kidding aside, despite the quantity shown here, I typically use the same pair 95% of the time (and they were obviously in use when I took the picture because their spot is the 3rd slot from the left side of the drawer).

 

[Outlawmws]

They are Wilde production

Wilde also supplied some pliers to Plomb.

I think you guys nailed it! thanks!

 

[MisterEd]

When the drawer won't close...you got too many.

Or too few drawers.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Or too few drawers.

Thus spake Zarathustra! HAHA! There's our OP!

 

[Outlawmws]

When the drawer won't close...you got too many.

Or too few drawers.

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[Newoldstyle]

Inherited these from my Grandfather he used to build airplanes from the ground up fly them a few times then sell them so he could start on another one..

 

[d42jeep]

Nice! I wish mine were in good condition like yours. The box is great. Welcome to the GJ.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Inherited these from my Grandfather he used to build airplanes from the ground up fly them a few times then sell them so he could start on another one..

I can tell your grandfather took great care of his tools! I'm with Don on the condition; that is as fine an example of safety wire piers as I have ever seen, and never in the original box! I have 4 sets and none are close.

 

[Newoldstyle]

I'm very blessed and honored to have them in remembrance of him, and some day one of my son's will be just as proud to get them and carry on the tradition..

 

[Newoldstyle]

Nice! I wish mine were in good condition like yours. The box is great. Welcome to the GJ.
-Don

Nice! I wish mine were in good condition like yours. The box is great. Welcome to the GJ.
-Don

Thank you for having me, I appreciate your time.

 

[Newoldstyle]

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[Eric Brown]

Super Grip / Super Grip Tool Co., Jefferson, IA / patent 1915404 Jun 27 1933 Gilbey M. Clifton / pliers / * some examples stamped with patent date of 1-16-39 * /

I have a set also marked with the 1939 date. My pictures show it open and closed in the two different handle positions. In the first position, which fully closes the jaws, it can open to about 1 plus inches. In the second position, it starts at about 1/2" and opens to about 1 1/2".
The only time the jaws are parallel is in the first position they get about 3/8" apart.

 

[Eric Brown]

Here are a pair of unknown needle nose. They are marked on the inside of both handles with "Made in USA". The only other feater that might identify them is the pattern on the handles. Any ideas?

 

[d42jeep]

Looks quite a bit like the pattern on these Worth (made by Pexto) pliers I found recently.
-Don

 

[Eric Brown]

Looks quite a bit like the pattern on these Worth (made by Pexto) pliers I found recently.
-Don

Very similar pattern. Thank you.