Pliers; How Many Is Too Many?

[Outlawmws]

The only significant pic issues I've had are getting other peoples pics to upload on the page.

I use MS office picture manager to process my pics for uploading exclusively for both GJ and CCF (and any other needed pics)

Crop, resize, adjust brightness as needed, and then I can just drag and drop then into the text edit screen. I rarely have ant kickback

If I'm cross posting between the forums I post to CCF first, then copy the entirety - text, pics all - to GJ, and it just works.

I use the snipping tool occasionally and from that tool I can "copy image" and paste on GJ.

Pretty sire both tools are still available for download and install on any OS.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I've never had any issues, in 13 years, until now, immediately after the update to Windows 11. And this issue is not consistent, so I can't figure out what's causing it.

 

[Mintgrun]

* Never mind. Can't load photo. Third one in last couple weeks. Not sure what's happening, but it's very irritating. Ever since I got upgraded to Windows 11. It's not size. I reduced that down to barely nothing, still won't attach or insert. I took the photo in the same string of photos as the others that attached just fine above, just before I cut off the handle, de-rusted and cleaned it.

That happens to me too sometimes, when one photo in the string of uploads doesn't work. If I go back and edit the photo even the tiniest bit then try again, it usually works. I cannot explain why it works, but that's the solution I've come up with.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

First thing I tried. No dice. This is something very odd and seemingly random. We should probably stop dragging the thread down with it.

 

[Mintgrun]

I showed up late for a one-day sale on Saturday and dug out some pliers to add to my collection. I found quite a few, but not too many!

The pair at the very top have the Williams <W> mark and the number 7064. Unfortunately, they're frozen and there's a crack in one of the pieces at the middle pivot, so I'll probably just leave them stuck. The pliers in the row below are Utica 21-4 round nose, TB-4 spreaders, WESTER BROS. nail clippers, and CRESTOLOY 1032-6. The bent nose pliers below those are marked Bergman Buffalo NY.


In the bottom row, Vacuum Grip No 42, DUNLAP Approved Tools, Henshel & Co. New York, EA Berg Sweden, Snap-on side cutters and needle nose, <U><TI><CA> and Channel-Loc on the right.

The Vacuum Grip No 42 pliers are the first 12 inch pliers I've found. They're old enough to still have the 3-8-21 patent stamp for the grip pattern.



Here's a shot of some of the grips. The nail clippers are especially cool.

 

[Ryan]

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[Ayrhead]

Three different needle nose pliers. First one is a Hoppe. Second is a Diamalloy. Third is a Jordan

 

[MisterEd]

I found quite a few, but not too many!

Pliers are kinda like prunes; "Is three enough or is six too many?"

 

[Outlawmws]

Pliers are kinda like prunes; "Is three enough or is six too many?"

Does that make me the Imelda Marcos of Pliers?

 

[MisterEd]

Does that make me the Imelda Marcos of Pliers?

Only if you wear them.

 

[Leviton]

* Never mind. Can't load photo. Third one in last couple weeks. Not sure what's happening, but it's very irritating. Ever since I got upgraded to Windows 11. It's not size. I reduced that down to barely nothing, still won't attach or insert. I took the photo in the same string of photos as the others that attached just fine above, just before I cut off the handle, de-rusted and cleaned it.

I've been having all kinds of issues uploading photos for two months. Mostly it's when I am trying to upload them using the "Attach files" button at lower left so they're not taking up so much screen space for the viewer at the other end.
Some of them I have to downsize (using Windows Paint)
Some of them I have to remove all the file properties.
Some of them I have to open with Windows Paint, select "Save as", and save as a *.jpg file (which it already IS), and then it will upload.
Makes no sense at all. Driving me crazy lately.

YES! I'm not alone. For years, photo uploading has worked fine. In the last approximately 2 months I randomly have ongoing problem where, when I use the Attach Files button, some photos will only load to X% and stop there. I tried multiple things like you guys have tried with no success. The only thing that seemed to work was converting the photo color profile to Adobe RGB. That worked several times, but it could have just been a fluke.

(And I am not using Windows 11.)

 

[Ayrhead]

Here are 3 different tools for the car battery. Two pliers and a terminal puller. I thought they were all made by blue bird. But on inspection the 2nd plier with grooves on it to clean and spread the inside of the terminal says blue bronc instead of blue bird… model #20 is the same for both.

 

[Provincial]

"BLUE BIRD NO 20" is what it says.

 

[Ayrhead]

"BLUE BIRD NO 20" is what it says.

When I read the inside of the handle I see blue Bronc 20… I know it usually say what you said

 

[RTM]

When I read the inside of the handle I see blue Bronc 20… I know it usually say what you said

Im with @Provincial . Clean off the old paint, and it should be easier.

 

[Ayrhead]

Im with @Provincial . Clean off the old paint, and it should be easier.

???? Did you not look at the picture??

 

[Ayrhead]

???? Did you not look at the picture??

Yeah you’re right now I see the I in between the B & the R…. Heh heh heh…

 

[RTM]

???? Did you not look at the picture??

Moments late. Glad you see it.

 

[Stubby1743]

Klauke 'Vanaloy' 180mm pliers. Marked 'Klauke Vanaloy Germany' over one of the pivots and 'VANALOY' inside each handle. Remains of red paint on the handles. Interesting pattern on the handles. Made in the 1950's I think.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Interesting pattern on the handles.

"Those have your fingerprints all over it."

Made in the 1950's I think.

Possibly. Possibly earlier. Knowing nothing about the company, that trend - creating a portmanteau of a brand name and "alloy" - started in the late 1930s with the advent of using alloy steel (Chromium and Vanadium, Chromium and Molybdenum, etc) for hand tools. Billings' "Vitalloy" (1937), Bonney's "Bonaloy" (1939), for example. Klauke, and all of German industry, may have been later to the game, of course. I'm not read up enough on that to go further than that.

 

[Skyman]

I learned a new word today! Thanks, Lugz.

 

[Oregon Dave]

Klauke 'Vanaloy' 180mm pliers. Marked 'Klauke Vanaloy Germany' over one of the pivots and 'VANALOY' inside each handle. Remains of red paint on the handles. Interesting pattern on the handles. Made in the 1950's I think.

To me, the handle grip pattern has a lot of Kraeuter's 'Don't Slip' DNA.

 

[Outlawmws]

To me, the handle grip pattern has a lot of Kraeuter's 'Don't Slip' DNA.

Kraeuter & Company was a US company.

 

[d42jeep]

Craftsman pliers found at an estate sale on Friday. I would have left them behind but they were the only tool left at the sale.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Kraeuter & Company was a US company.

^ This. Perhaps @Oregon Dave was referring to a stylistic lineage more than a legal, corporate evolution. (In the latter domain, the "Don't Slip" design patent of 1914 was only protected for 15 years anyway.)

But even if Kraeuter wasn't American, or vice versa (if Klauke was), and they were more or less contemporaneous, the "Don't Slip" pattern was much more geometric than the Klauke.

I do see some similarities between Kraeuter's "Beauty" pattern (patented in 1921)...



...and the Klauke...



...in the way the little chevrons pointing toward the middle start on either end of the panel. In the middle, where they converge into an X (on the Kraueter) and get squeezed out by the fingerprints and diamond (on the Klauke), not so much.

 

[Beerhippie]

I learned a new word today! Thanks, Lugz.

I went through the first forty-odd years of my life thinking a portmanteau was a piece of luggage.

 

[Stubby1743]

It is/was a bag for carrying items whilst travelling. It was Lewis Carroll in the 1870's who first used the word to mean a word formed by the joining of two or more words or parts thereof.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I learned a new word today! Thanks, Lugz.

You're welcome.

 

[Beerhippie]

It is/was a bag for carrying items whilst travelling. It was Lewis Carroll in the 1870's who first used the word to mean a word formed by the joining of two or words or parts thereof.

Wait, wait--so I was simultaneously right and wrong?

So next time I say "James, be sure the toiletries are packed in the portmanteau", what will I get? A carry-on with toiletries, or a long word comprising all the contents thereof?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

So next time I say "James, be sure the toiletries are packed in the portmanteau", what will I get?

A snarky comment about reading too many Agatha Christie novels?

 

[Skyman]

Now if I can just remember it...

 

[Oregon Dave]

Kraeuter & Company was a US company.

Yes, of coarse. but Kraeuter & Company was founded by August Kraeuter, a German immigrant.

Also Kraeuter had at least nine versions of the 'Don't Slip' grip pattern that I know of and Boeker/Boker, and Schmidt, P.L. Schmidt; German companies used a similar pattern on pliers and Boeker expanded to the US.

Undoubtedly there was sharing between immigrants and their mother countries; adapt and advance/human ingenuity.

 

[four.cycle]

McKaig Hatch 6-inch slip-joint pliers

McKaig Hatch, Inc., Buffalo, NY

there are no markings other than the "MH in a Circle" logo. (meaning these are not model 535)

 

[four.cycle]

Vlchek "FORGED IN U.S.A." 6-inch slip joint pliers

no markings other than the faint "FORGED IN U.S.A." on the handles. (Identified by @d42jeep)

 

[Oregon Dave]

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no-name "FORGED IN U.S.A." 6-inch slip joint pliers

no markings other than the faint "FORGED IN U.S.A." on the handles.

Appreciate your time and effort providing such great images,

 

[d42jeep]

Those pliers were made by Vlchek.
-Don

 

[four.cycle]

^ Thanks Don!

@Oregon Dave - one of my objectives is posting images of the handle patterns, which seem to be missing altogether from both of those specimens.

 

[SquirrelsTools]

My humble admissions. The Cronk set was really interesting to me, and why I paid $9 for the auction lot

 

[Beerhippie]

The signing of the Geneva Convention made these obsolete.