Show off your DOE's!

[four.cycle]

 

[Targa68]

Can someone help identifying this?
7/16 - 3/8, "FORGED STEEL MADE IN U.S.A" and "MOLYBDENUM ALLOY"


Thank you

 

[Private Lugnutz]

BHM. Late 30s.

 

[Targa68]

Thank you

 

[Leviton]

I posted this elsewhere, and realized I should have posted it here.

I like it. It has a wider than normal shank and the only markings are forged on the shank. No markings on the back. Trying to figure out the maker. Any ideas?

 

[Mintgrun]

I dug up an "identify this wrench" thread recently, to add one I'd found, but my wrench looked nothing like the OP's. I just wanted to reuse the title, instead of starting my own. Coincidentally, their wrench was shaped much like yours, although the markings were different. In that thread it was said the Vlchek made it, so maybe they made your wrench too. The proportions are not the same, but quite similar.

Another one if those What is this wrench questions

Hey guys. Strange shape wide flat handle, the only marking on the wrench is the number 6491. The sizes are about 11/16 and 3/4. I assume it’s some sort of machine wrench

www.garagejournal.com

 

[leg17]

Seems to bring to mind wrenches made for the E-M-F auto company, but the number doesn't match the little info I have available.

 

[Leviton]

Thanks Mintgrun and leg17. I will investigate Vlchek and E-M-F.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I am rarely stumped on DOE's, especially this late (these pear heads or 'sharps' are 40's and 50's), but I am scratching my head on this one.

The marking is "DIAMONDF" with the "IAMOND" in superscript and the MADE IN U.S.A. between the elongated, book-ended "D" and "F". I have no knowledge of Diamond Calk making DOE's or having them made for them. The entire format of the marking is very similar to what FAIRMOUNT did, identical actually, with the "F" and "T" and the superscript "AIRMOUN" in between with a "MADE IN U.S.A." under that, but I am not familiar with Fairmount using Diamond as a brand, and that doesn't explain what that "F" at the end of "DIAMOND" signifies. Alternately, the large "D" and "F" smacks of Drop Forged, but that doesn't explain the DIAMOND.

 

[Leviton]

I'll throw out a wild guess. Diamond Forge & Mfg. of Pittsburgh? They started 1910 and had a drop forging operation. I have no idea if they ever made hand tools but they did make drop forgings for "automobiles, etc.".

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I like it. I'll do some research.

 

[RubiconJK]

I am rarely stumped on DOE's, especially this late (these pear heads or 'sharps' are 40's and 50's), but I am scratching my head on this one.

The marking is "DIAMONDF" with the "IAMOND" in superscript and the MADE IN U.S.A. between the elongated, book-ended "D" and "F". I have no knowledge of Diamond Calk making DOE's or having them made for them. The entire format of the marking is very similar to what FAIRMOUNT did, identical actually, with the "F" and "T" and the superscript "AIRMOUN" in between with a "MADE IN U.S.A." under that, but I am not familiar with Fairmount using Diamond as a brand, and that doesn't explain what that "F" at the end of "DIAMOND" signifies. Alternately, the large "D" and "F" smacks of Drop Forged, but that doesn't explain the DIAMOND.

Agreed. I've seen Diamond Duluth Model T style combination wrenches but the markings don't look like that.

 

[Username already in use]

I am rarely stumped on DOE's, especially this late (these pear heads or 'sharps' are 40's and 50's)

That's 100% a FairmonT made DOE. Has to be some kind of contract production. I'm interested to see what you dig up.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's 100% a FairmonT made DOE.

They did love their sharps! Postwar, I think. Thanks for confirming that part of my hunches. I will definitely report back anything I may find.

 

[whitesco]

I've got a few... not really of mysterious origin though...

 

[d42jeep]

My first Kraeuter of this design. I could have done without the center punches but I was happy to find the wrench. I think Lugz has a full set.
-Don
Before evaporust

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I think Lugz has a full set.

I think I'm up to fifteen (15) or so, posted on the Kraeuter thread, but that includes both engineers' and "S" wrenches, and I don't think anyone has ever produced a catalog or ad that shows what a "full set" would be. I have posted an ad from a 1926 Pop Sci mag that shows one wrench and implies the others, described as "light, handy, and handsome" - three adjectives I would brook no argument with, but no details.

Nice find! Cleaned up well, too.

 

[leg17]

Here

 

[leg17]

I have all of these.
But have NO tappet wrenches.
Lugz is the man!!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That is inspirational, leg! Maybe I'll build a replica board. "Ask Any Mechanic"

 

[Mintgrun]

I hadn't heard of Elyria Metal Prod. Co. before today. This wrench is the only tool to come up, with my limited online searching and the only thing to come up when searching this site is the listing in 4c.'s makers thread. There are a lot of hits for Ridge Tool co. though; from Elyria, OH.. The Progress is fine, but... page says they were made for Jeep tool kits.

http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2017/07/vanished-tool-makers-elyria-metal.html



9/16" x 3/8" is an odd combination.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The Progress is fine, but... page says they were made for Jeep tool kits.

He's wrong. It's for an oil burning stove. Technically, "Outfit, Cooking, Small Detachment," as listed in the QM6, which was issued with a set of three different wrenches.

I like that guy. I have quoted his work, and he has some nice write-ups, but it's reckless of him to repeat things without evidence, and we've been fighting the mindset that every tool with a WWII date on it is from a jeep forever. I would've thought he would've known better. It's stamped steel. Jeep wrenches were the highest quality engineer's wrenches available.

 

[Mintgrun]

Thank you for the clarification. There is a comment section under his write up, perhaps you should share that information. One of the comments says they think the company is much older, because their Elyria tool was stamped 1845. I suspect they're misreading the 9.

I never used to look twice at stamped steel wrenches, but now it is fun to grab oddball examples and bring them here to see what I can learn about them. Here's a link to some nice photos of that stove kit, including this one, showing the three wrenches.

WW11 US Army 1944 Chrysler Airtemp stove | Antiques | Gumtree Australia Noosa Area - Pomona | 1278937141

WWII US Army 1944 Chrysler Airtemp squad cook stove It come with utensil bag an the utensils, burner set ups, complete stove pipe set up, fuel gas caps, ..., 1278937141

www.gumtree.com.au

 

[Private Lugnutz]

There is a comment section under his write up, perhaps you should share that information.

That's a good idea. I have left comments before. And he has quoted my GJ posts before in his blog!

I never used to look twice at stamped steel wrenches, but now it is fun to grab oddball examples and bring them here to see what I can learn about them.

Same. You've probably seen a lot of them. I hope you know I wasn't looking down my nose at the wrench itself.

Here's a link to some nice photos of that stove kit, including this one, showing the three wrenches

That is easily the nicest and most complete example I have ever seen. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen all three wrenches together. A museum quality time machine exhibit!

 

[MR.X]

Last time I was thru, there was literally a bin of those wrenches NOS at one of those giant antique malls right off of I-70 in Ohio (of course)

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Technically, I guess this is an asymmetric Triple Open End, but I'll leave it here anyway. Just a cheap stamped-steel wrench. I bought it only for the name, which I had never heard of before. One Google Books search and I was barraged with ads in trade mags from 1902 forward for cranes, hoists, pulleys, carriers, doors, etc. If you had a warehouse in the midwest in the early part of the last century, chances are you were buying something from this outfit.

 

[d42jeep]

I found a couple of Whitworth DOE wrenches this morning at a garage sale. Both were brands that I don’t believe I’ve run across before. The larger DOE is Sidchrome.
The small DOE is the very cool Snail brand that I’ve only seen in pictures.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

I found several DOE wrenches at a tool sale today. A batch of Craftsman =v= and smaller early -v- wrenches of the same vintage.
Thorsen oval shank
Thorsen made Powr-Kraft
MB
BMW
Danielson Controlled Steel typewriter font
-Don

 

[mritchie77]

Here are some after cleaning I picked up last weekend at the swap meet.

A couple of early Buffalos. I didn't realize until today that this style came in regular carbon steel and alloy steel. The carbon steel is cad plated I believe.



An unmarked geometric.



Some Auto-Kit wrenches.




An interesting Hinsdale, it looks like the sizings were stamped over the foundry marks?

 

[Provincial]

Friday I found this little DOE in a batch of rusty wrenches I picked up at a swap meet. It is Whitworth sizes 1/8 and 3/16 and Austin refers to the English motor car company. It is the smallest wrench in the set that came with an automobile, and apparently the most easily lost, perhaps because it is only about 3-1/2" long. This size rarely shows up for sale on Ebay.

 

[d42jeep]

Here is a Whitworth Austin DOE I found recently.
-Don

 

[RTM]

Here are 3 Merit Branded Angle Obstruction wrenches I grabbed this weekend. Didn't know who Merit was, but the angle obstruction set up caught my eye, then finding three in two different boxes sent me to grabbing all three. According to AA, (The Merit Brand) Merit was Billings & Spencer for Sears.

Merit (By Billings & Spencer for Sears) Angle Wrenches 3/8" x 7/16 #2022a, 1/2 x 9/16 #2725B, 19/32 x 11/16 #2027

Need a bit of clean up, but if someone needs them for a set, holler.

 

[FatMatt🔧]

I guess you can never have enough DOE wrenches I have friends that don't understand why someone would ever need so many tools. We'll it's easy it's my passion in collecting classic oldschool American made tools

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Friday I found this little DOE in a batch of rusty wrenches I picked up at a swap meet. It is Whitworth sizes 1/8 and 3/16 and Austin refers to the English motor car company.

Here is a Whitworth Austin DOE I found recently.

Nice finds, guys!

Here are 3 Merit Branded Angle Obstruction wrenches I grabbed this weekend. Didn't know who Merit was, but the angle obstruction set up caught my eye, then finding three in two different boxes sent me to grabbing all three. According to AA, (The Merit Brand) Merit was Billings & Spencer for Sears.

I've never seen those in the wild. Very cool.

We'll it's easy it's my passion in collecting classic oldschool American made tools

Then you've come to the right place, Matt! A lot of us go bananas for DOE's, especially in bunches. (You're either a bachelor or you have a very understanding GF or spouse! ) What are the robust wrenches in the holder with the blue paint remnants?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found an orphan No. 300 "S" wrench at the flea this morning. It has a sweet dark complexion on this, the flip side...



...but it's in rough shape on the top side, including a Lakeside Forge logo that was apparently made at quittin' time on a Friday by a dyslexic diemaker.



However, based on my "One of anything is just one, two is a pair, but three is a collection!" credo, I now have a Lakeside Forge collection to add to my burgeoning collection of "S wrenches.



Oddly, only the 304 has the full branding on the major jaw face.



Probably at least two wrenches between 300 (1/2 x 3/8) and 303 (3/4 x 7/8), maybe some with suffixes. No Lakeside Forge catalog on IA/ITCL, and my Kraeuter, J.P. Danielson CONTROLLED STEEL, and Southington sets are really not any help here. There 's a lot of variance in the ends and sequence in steps among those.

 

[Outlawmws]

Not sure How you get a brand logo backwards in a forging die.. it ain't like sand casting...

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I am thinking someone hobbed the logo block into the male die upside down. Same way someone got just the "N" figures in "NEWARK" and "N.J." backwards but all the other letters correct on some of my Heller Bros Masterenches.

 

[FatMatt🔧]

Nice finds, guys!

I've never seen those in the wild. Very cool.

Then you've come to the right place, Matt! A lot of us go bananas for DOE's, especially in bunches. (You're either a bachelor or you have a very understanding GF or spouse! ) What are the robust wrenches in the holder with the blue paint remnants?

They are the craftsman AF wrench set I have it originally craftsman wrench set from when they were produced craftsman vanadium steel wrench set craftsman underlined C1 set craftsman Af set and some other odd ones too I'll post I think they were made by hinsdale co

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Ci was billings I thought

 

[FatMatt🔧]

Ci was billings I thought

C1 is but the 4 wrenches that are craftsman vanadium I believe are made by hinsdale