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[Old tool guy]

Does your blade have a hole in the middle?

 

[ararat]

Does your blade have a hole in the middle?

Yes, big hole in middle and small holes that keep it aligned with a pin at the bottom.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Old Tool Guy: It looks like the patent on your scraper refers to this "Tool Holder" patent by John and Clarence Lutz which is interesting because Lutz File Handles are well known. I didn't find a definite connection but it's likely the same Lutz.

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[Old tool guy]

Old Tool Guy: It looks like the patent on your scraper refers to this "Tool Holder" patent by John and Clarence Lutz which is interesting because Lutz File Handles are well known. I didn't find a definite connection but it's likely the same Lutz.

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I don’t see the connection to my tool, unless it’s the swivel head.

 

[CRSINMICH]

On line 13 of the written description it specifically mentions "scrapers or files". The swivel head is a large part of the patent. See Figure 4. There were several patents issued on that date but this was the only one that was even remotely applicable. OVB must have thought some part of their cabinet scraper was patented. Chasing this kind of information can make you dizzy.

 

[four.cycle]

@CRSINMICH and @RTM check your emails

Western / Western Tool & Mfg. Co., Sigler and Pleasant St., Springfield, OH / Champion vise, tool holder / patent 835160 Nov 6 1906 John W. Lutz and Clarence O. Lutz / http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=10757&tab=7 / https://wrenchwiki.com/western-tool-manufacturing/ /

I am not seeing a connection to

Lutz / Lutz File & Tool Co., 3929 Virginia Ave., Cincinnati OH 45227 / acquired 2005 by Maine Wood Concepts, New Vineyard, ME / Colton's No. 10 file cleaner, file handles, push drill / see also Colton's Inc., see also Knudson /

other than the names of the two gentlemen on the patent document being the same.

 

[Old tool guy]

On line 13 of the written description it specifically mentions "scrapers or files".

Now that you mention that and i read closer, i think the key is lines 14-20 where it talks about various angles and easy tool changes.

 

[RTM]

Now that you mention that and i read closer, i think the key is lines 14-20 where it talks about various angles and easy tool changes.

Very slow response here, but I agree with the initial assessment, and glad you see it now.

My Starrett and Stearns both use a similar but different from your patent swivel, but I could easily see it being there.

I am about 400 entries into the 1242 issued that day, looking for other possibilities. Nothing close so far, but found 11 other patents not in DATAMP.

 

[CRSINMICH]

This might be of some help.
Here are both of the pages of the written description of the Lutz Tool Holder patent.

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[four.cycle]

taking the liberty of pasting all of this here to try to unmuddy the waters:

Subject:​	patent 835160 Nov 6 1906 John W. Lutz and Clarence O. Lutz
Date:​	2025-09-04 9:59 am
From:​	four.cycle
To:​	datamp.org, RTM, CRSINMICH

currently listed at datamp.org
https://datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?number=835160&typeCode=0

patent 835160 Nov 6 1906 John W. Lutz and Clarence O. Lutz, both of Springfield, OH for "Tool-Holder" - assignee: Western Tool & Mfg. Co., Springfield, OH - manufactured by Western Tool & Mfg. Co., Springfield, OH.

It has been speculated that this unit was also manufactured for and sold by Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co., Chicago, IL

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Western / Western Tool & Mfg. Co., Springfield, OH / Champion vise, tool holder / patent 835160 Nov 6 1906 John W. Lutz and Clarence O. Lutz / http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=10757&tab=7 / https://wrenchwiki.com/western-tool-manufacturing/ /

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LUTZ :
The Lutz family has been prominent in Lincoln township and in Zearing. Several members of the family were Lincoln township farmers. Nettie clerked in Armstrong's store. Carolyn was an assistant postmaster.
John W. Lutz was born in Illinois. He married Emma Gehm in Illinois on January 23, 1889. Emma was born at Lostant, Illinois, on May 15, 1863.
John and Emma lived near Springfield, Nebraska, for ten years. Then they moved to a farm in our community. [Zearing, Iowa]
John and Emma were the parents of five children. They were George, Carolyn, Lewis, Nettie, and Lydia.
John died on October 31, 1906. Emma died on March 20, 1934.
* from: "Community History of Zearing, Iowa" pp 160 https://iagenweb.org/story/ZearingHist/browse.php?todo=Next&pagearg=160

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When Clarence Oliver Lutz was born on 4 April 1881, in Springfield, Clark, Ohio, United States, his father, John W. Lutz, was 21 and his mother, Sarah E Way, was 21. He married Henrietta Friess Birney on 20 June 1906, in Clark, Ohio, United States. He lived in Springfield Township, Clark, Ohio, United States for about 30 years. He died on 13 April 1945, in Springfield, Clark, Ohio, United States, at the age of 64, and was buried in Springfield, Clark, Ohio, United States.

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In the bestowing of the credit for the upbuilding of Springfield in an industrial way, this large and growing foundry and manufacturing plant should be given a great deal of consideration. Established for five years, the company has maintained steady and substantial growth which promises great things for the future. At the present time, upwards of 30 men are given steady employment at the foundry, which is one of the most modern and best equipped of its kind in the state. Products of the foundry include gray, white, and semi-steel castings, of superior quality and workmanship. The trade has learned to know that when it wants the best in the way of castings, the price list of the well-organized Springfield concern should first be consulted. Officials of the company are: John C. Howell, president; Harry E. Simmendinger, vice president; and Clarence O. Lutz, secretary and treasurer. These men are widely and favorably known in the business and industrial circles of Springfield. They have always been friendly toward the boys in every way and are always willing to aid and promote everything for their betterment. As a result, their workmen take pleasure in exhibiting the utmost cooperation at the foundry, which in turn leads to the production of high grade products. Equipment of the foundry is of the latest type. Shipping facilities are of the kind that enable the company to make all deliveries on schedule time. The price list of the concern is one that cannot be improved upon by the efforts of competitors. Those are some of the reasons why we are predicting a very successful future for this company.
* from https://www.daytonhistorybooks.com/annuallabor7.html

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I'm NOT seeing a connection to
Lutz / Lutz File & Tool Co., 3929 Virginia Ave., Cincinnati OH 45227 / acquired 2005 by Maine Wood Concepts, New Vineyard, ME / Colton's No. 10 file cleaner, file handles, push drill / see also Colton's Inc., see also Knudson /

It's looking to me that the name "Lutz" on both the scraper patent and another Ohio company that specializes in file handles is purely coincidental. I could well be mistaken, but I don't think I am.

Thanks to @CRSINMICH for digging this up - it uncovered an error in my list.

BK

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[ranger08]

Picked up this basic little Stanley 102, has an S cast into base and underside of retainer or cap, faint Stanley rule & level co on the iron in a oval shape, might be quite an old one

 

[ararat]

Picked up this basic little Stanley 102, has an S cast into base and underside of retainer or cap, faint Stanley rule & level co on the iron in a oval shape, might be quite an old one

1890's probably based on the "S" casting. Nice little plane.

 

[Farmer J.]

Nice little plane.

Yes it is.
I didn't realise that exact design was so old. I have a more modern 102 and it's surprising how often i reach for it, once you get the hang of setting the blade it's very easy and handy to use.

 

[Fred Knox]

Here is an Upson Nut / Standard Rule No. 35. Upson Nut merged with The Standard Rule Co. in 1888. In 1889, George Karrmann of Upson Nut patented and began manufacturing an "improvement in bench-planes", which was a lateral adjustment of the iron to provide a friction-slide for moving the iron by frictional contact only. Mine has different knobs (see photos) than you typically see with Upson Nut planes (not sure if they are earlier or later model), but they are very good looking. The plane is 9 3/4" long with a 2" wide iron.

 

[ararat]

Here is an Upson Nut / Standard Rule No. 35. Upson Nut merged with The Standard Rule Co. in 1888. In 1889, George Karrmann of Upson Nut patented and began manufacturing an "improvement in bench-planes", which was a lateral adjustment of the iron to provide a friction-slide for moving the iron by frictional contact only. Mine has different knobs (see photos) than you typically see with Upson Nut planes (not sure if they are earlier or later model), but they are very good looking. The plane is 9 3/4" long with a 2" wide iron.

That is a good looking plane. Send a picture of the adjustment if you get a chance. I haven't seen one of those before.

 

[crguy]

Here is an Upson Nut / Standard Rule No. 35. Upson Nut merged with The Standard Rule Co. in 1888. In 1889, George Karrmann of Upson Nut patented and began manufacturing an "improvement in bench-planes", which was a lateral adjustment of the iron to provide a friction-slide for moving the iron by frictional contact only. Mine has different knobs (see photos) than you typically see with Upson Nut planes (not sure if they are earlier or later model), but they are very good looking. The plane is 9 3/4" long with a 2" wide iron.

Those brass knobs are definitely Standard Rule style.

 

[Fred Knox]

That is a good looking plane. Send a picture of the adjustment if you get a chance. I haven't seen one of those before.

The patent pages are attached. My lateral even has the patent date marked on it. The right side friction pad was clipped off by a PO, but it still moves the iron properly.

 

[crguy]

The patent pages are attached. My lateral even has the patent date marked on it. The right side friction pad was clipped off by a PO, but it still moves the iron properly.

I had a Standard Rule plane with that lateral at one time:

 

[ararat]

A little squirrel tail Union 100 with a twist. a toothing blade. Pretty nicely done and it works well. I haven't seen a bevel up toothing plane before.

 

[crguy]

A little squirrel tail Union 100 a twist. a toothing blade. Pretty nicely done and it works well. I haven't seen a bevel up toothing plane before.

Toothing planes normally have their cutters set at a high angle, near vertical.

 

[ararat]

Toothing planes normally have their cutters set at a high angle, near vertical.

Yes, here's the one I made. Not the most refined plane, but works great. It's made from black locust, which is a very hard wood and not easy to work with. The positive is that it is dense, so it has some weight.

 

[RTM]

Toothing planes normally have their cutters set at a high angle, near vertical.

But isn’t Lee Valley selling a toothing blade for their 62 equivalent.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/blades/116932-veritas-2-inch-toothed-blades-for-low-angle-smooth-plane

All my vintage ones are vertical. Never seen a vintage #62 with a toothing blade, guess the original owner was a forward thinker.

 

[Old tool guy]

Found this Stanley 192 in a barn, the owner had a lot of stuff all over the yard and in 2 barns/storage buildings. He claimed to be an architectural salvage dealer, and I believed him. Fortunately the tools were in a shed. This looked good covered in dirt and rust in the dimly lit shed. Got it home and found otherwise. I don’t think he was covering up the condition intentionally, it was more of “here’s what i got, pick through it”.

Obviously it has led a rough life, frame has been brazed back together in 3 places. The owner did a pretty good job, everything lines up very straight. Only problem is the threaded hole for the blade clamp, the break goes right through the hole, he ran an odd screw through the hole and peened over the end. I removed that, it’s still threaded but it’s just large enough that the threads don’t bite.
I’m thinking I will clean it up, grind down the extra brazing, and apply a japan finish.

Picture of the blade, you can see the trademark stamp and the bimetal edge.

 

[RTM]

Only problem is the threaded hole for the blade clamp, the break goes right through the hole, he ran an odd screw through the hole and peened over the end. I removed that, it’s still threaded but it’s just large enough that the threads don’t bite.

Since that's not in collector condition, can you redrill and tap for a slightly larger screw? I don't know if brazing is harder or softer than welding, might be a consideration for breaking off a tap.

 

[Beerhippie]

Since that's not in collector condition, can you redrill and tap for a slightly larger screw? I don't know if brazing is harder or softer than welding, might be a consideration for breaking off a tap.

Brass/bronze brazing taps pretty easily--until it work hardens and then it doesn't.

 

[Old tool guy]

The bronze didn’t get in the screw hole. A 10-28 screw threads in nicely, but when i try to finger tighten it, it slips.

 

[RTM]

The bronze didn’t get in the screw hole. A 10-28 screw threads in nicely, but when i try to finger tighten it, it slips.

Step up to a 12-28 or 1/4-28, depending on your selection of obscure taps and screws.

Of course, assuming it fits in the lever cap.

Is it possible it's too short, and deeper threads are still good?

 

[Old tool guy]

This hole. The cap lever screw is fine.

 

[RTM]

This hole. The cap lever screw is fine.

Argh. I thought that was a hole for a depth stop. If you have a depth stop then you can buy or make your own wingnut or knurled screw to hold the depth stop in place. Just buy or make to match a tap again I'd try to stick to a matching thread pitch.

Didn't realize the 182 and 192 had a special lever cap. Looking for a pic now. If you upsize the thread, the head may get too large. Spin it in a drill against a grinding wheel to bring it down again.

 

[crguy]

Found this Stanley 192 in a barn, the owner had a lot of stuff all over the yard and in 2 barns/storage buildings. He claimed to be an architectural salvage dealer, and I believed him. Fortunately the tools were in a shed. This looked good covered in dirt and rust in the dimly lit shed. Got it home and found otherwise. I don’t think he was covering up the condition intentionally, it was more of “here’s what i got, pick through it”.

Obviously it has led a rough life, frame has been brazed back together in 3 places. The owner did a pretty good job, everything lines up very straight. Only problem is the threaded hole for the blade clamp, the break goes right through the hole, he ran an odd screw through the hole and peened over the end. I removed that, it’s still threaded but it’s just large enough that the threads don’t bite.
I’m thinking I will clean it up, grind down the extra brazing, and apply a japan finish.

Picture of the blade, you can see the trademark stamp and the bimetal edge.

IMO, you're spending way too much time on a common plane with little value. If you want one like that, you could get a nice one for cheap.

 

[Old tool guy]

Should have posted this earlier.

crguy … i thought it was in much better shape when i bought it, now that it’s here …

 

[crguy]

Should have posted this earlier.

crguy … i thought it was in much better shape when i bought it, now that it’s here …

That's still a big nope for me.

 

[ranger08]

i knew i had very old looking fancey stanley plane left to me by my father, dug out the cardboard box and it is a Stanley sw 55 combination plane with complete 4 boxes of cutters, manual and two fences. might have to sell it as it is of no use to me

 

[WisJim]

I've had a couple of Stanley 55 planes and sort of enjoyed figuring out how to use them to make some pieces of trim to match some existing stuff. I sold or traded them, and gave the last one to my youngest son, who had used it a little on some of his projects.

 

[crguy]

i knew i had very old looking fancey stanley plane left to me by my father, dug out the cardboard box and it is a Stanley sw 55 combination plane with complete 4 boxes of cutters, manual and two fences. might have to sell it as it is of no use to me

Put it on Ebay. If everything there is in the pictures, it's not 100% complete.

 

[ranger08]

Put it on Ebay. If everything there is in the pictures, it's not 100% complete.

yip that was everything in the box

 

[Old tool guy]

That's still a big nope for me.

Took your advice. Found this one, the blade is missing which is unfortunate becase there are differences in the two planes so this one is older, but without the trademark stamp on the blade i struggle to date it. The repaired plane has the last stamp style so that makes it after 1935. I’m going to put the blade in the older one, make a note of that, and the broken one will die a slow death covered in cobwebs.

Couple of differences.
The blade cap knob is a different style, has Stanley cast into it and the knurling is different.
I didn’t get a picture, but the pivot on the clamp is slightly different.
Handle shape is different, and the new one is fatter.
Texture on the handle is the old style, not the newer fish scales.
Height of the body is shorter.
Newer one has “made in usa” cast into the body.
Casting on the right side of the body is different.

 

[Boatman62]

Picked this bunch at an estate sale a couple days ago.
Inventory of the 55 turns up only missing two cutters and the screwdriver.
Been looking for a decent 12 for a few years that wasn't full blown retail.
The Goodell jointer plane gauge was in a junk box marked free.

 

[ararat]

Picked this bunch at an estate sale a couple days ago.
Inventory of the 55 turns up only missing two cutters and the screwdriver.
Been looking for a decent 12 for a few years that wasn't full blown retail.
The Goodell jointer plane gauge was in a junk box marked free.

Is that a no 40 in the middle? Nice clamps too.

 

[Old tool guy]

The silver No.81 … what brand is that?