Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[RTM]

Ok here is one for everyone to chew on. Received this in the mail today. I personally have never seen this set or even this logo. Have any of you tool guys ever seen this set? It’s now one of my favorites

Ok, here is the other half of weirdness

Early Craftsman Logo ID

Howdy, I just picked up these chisels/punches. They have a Craftsman logo that I've never seen and have not been able to find another example of. Seems to point to the 1930s or maybe even late 20s. Does anyone have any examples/knowledge of this mark?

www.garagejournal.com

 

[Old Radar]

Ok, here is the other half of weirdness

Looks like exactly the same half of weirdness to me.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Two of them showing up here on GJ within a week or so of each other would've definitely been weirder than Patrick buying it from BuddyCO1!

 

[RTM]

Two of them showing up here on GJ within a week or so of each other would've definitely been weirder than Patrick buying it from BuddyCO1!

Yeah, my smirk icon was failing me. Realized there were the exact same wear marks, but was wishing we could have continued the old thread, or merged it here, to avoid two zombie bumps in 10 or so years, when it's sold again.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

when it's sold again.

That will never happen when Patrick is alive!

 

[four.cycle]

That's a cool logo, can't quite place it though .. but the expression "Craftsman Vanadium Steel" puts it in the 1931-1933 time frame. So it was after the early Craftsman "Chrome Vanadium" tools of 1930, but before the "Craftsman Vanadium" sub-brand from 1934 to 1941.

AA

 

[Private Lugnutz]

but was wishing we could have continued the old thread, or merged it here,

Easy peasy. It really didn't belong up there in general no man's land anyway.

I wonder if that is pre-1927 Craftsman before Sears bought the rights to the name?

If only to get things started, I will say that I don't think this punch set is early Cushman Company, Inc. (Champaign, Ill.) 'Craftsman' or Marion-Craftsman Company (Conneaut, Ohio). The color scheme and font seems inappropriate, for one thing, but more importantly, I think they were way too early for vanadium steel and compositional 'Vanadium' branding.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I was typing a follow-up to my first reply when you posted, 4.c. My thoughts align with AA and vice versa.

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

That will never happen when Patrick is alive!

That is correct. The place where craftsman goes to disappear

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Easy peasy. It really didn't belong up there in general no man's land anyway.

If only to get things started, I will say that I don't think this punch set is early Cushman Company, Inc. (Champaign, Ill.) 'Craftsman' or Marion-Craftsman Company (Conneaut, Ohio). The color scheme and font seems inappropriate, for one thing, but more importantly, I think they were way too early for vanadium steel and compositional 'Vanadium' branding.

The tools themselves are not the typical coated vanadium stuff and the long c punch and chisel sets were the mid to later 30s. I’m thinking mid 40s. But who knows. The font definately looks early.

 

[four.cycle]

My thoughts align with AA and vice versa.

By process of elimination (of the other "Craftsmans" of that era), Occam's Razor says the same, in my humble opinion.

 

[Mintgrun]

I bought a soldering iron in a long C box, then noticed that it had the flat top A logo on the tool; so it's not as old as I first thought.



The box is beat up, but the tool's in pretty good shape. There's a small wire stand and instructions were still in the box.







I'm running out of room in my soldering iron drawer.

 

[Old Radar]

The iron with the UL sticker in the middle of your herd looks a lot like your CM. Might be the same manufacturer.

 

[Outlawmws]

then noticed that it had the flat top A logo on the tool; so it's not as old as I first thought

That Fount is still Long C era. what is the "not as old" thought?

 

[Mintgrun]

The iron with the UL sticker in the middle of your herd looks a lot like your CM. Might be the same manufacturer.

I noticed that too and almost mentioned it. Since you mentioned it, I went up to check the brand and it's marked DRAKE ELECTRIC WKS. CHICAGO.

That Fount is still Long C era. what is the "not as old" thought?

I associate pointy top "A"s as older than flat top "A"s and assumed they were pointy during the Long C era. I'm not very good with those details. Care to guess the age of this tool, based on the font?

It's tempting to cut some brown paper strips and fold/glue them to the insides of the broken box corners.

EDIT-- there is a Drake soldering iron on ePay that has a similar wire stand. That hints at them making the Craftsman iron. American Beauty made irons with the three ring heat sink, but Drake seems like a better fit.

 

[Outlawmws]

The splits are in the lid so I'd glue to rebond the torn corners together. I've been reconstructing box damage with PVA wood glue, but I found a better PVA glue as its flexible: Aileen's Tacky Glue, bit even better and still flexible is from Lineco Books - their PH balanced PVA. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001I6FEHE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Outlawmws]

Care to guess the age of this tool, based on the font?

you have some paperwork -any date codes on that?

 

[Mintgrun]

you have some paperwork -any date codes on that?

Good thinking. There's a 1949 copyright on the Kester solder instructions. No dates on the instructions for the soldering iron though.

 

[Outlawmws]

Well, I'd say that likely makes the iron at least that age, posibly older.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's an old wrench 1 1/8x1 1/4. Maybe an equipment wrench.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Torch/welder.

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Ok so I know you guys have speculated on this box before. Many thought, including myself that it was a seldom seen midget set. Well I offer up an alternative guess and want everyone’s opinion. Beside it is an identical in size and design Sears set.

 

[3baygarage]

Interesting. I've never seen the Sears set before. I'm assuming the Snap-On flextension was added?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I have a partial sears set, not sure about its time-frame or if the tools in it are original

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Interesting. I've never seen the Sears set before. I'm assuming the Snap-On flextension was added?

Yea it’s a fresh arrival. I bought the box because of the enclosed BE stuff. When it arrived and I saw it’s similarities I decided to post

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

I have a partial sears set, not sure about its time-frame or if the tools in it are original

I’ll be hitting the Sears catalogs from the 40s. It’s cool to see your set. If you get a chance take some pics of the sockets. Are they marked?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I think new britain stuff

 

[Cruzan80]

I’ll be hitting the Sears catalogs from the 40s. It’s cool to see your set. If you get a chance take some pics of the sockets. Are they marked?

If they are marked S.R., there will be several happy (and very unhappy) people out there...


Edit: stupid phone spelling.

 

[Smokeshow69]

If they are marked S.R., there will beseravl happy (and very unhappy) people out there...

I'll be one of the smiling ones. I am in the Sears and Roebuck camp and this would only further my hunch...

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

I'll be one of the smiling ones. I am in the Sears and Roebuck camp and this would only further my hunch...

I have been snagging them as well but never seen 1/4 stuff

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

I'll be one of the smiling ones. I am in the Sears and Roebuck camp and this would only further my hunch...

I’m pretty sure you were dead on with that assumption. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that multiple circle u swivel socket sets contained SR sockets

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I never thought of the "[S.R.]" mystery as a debate that anyone would be unhappy to be resolved, and my impression was the various Craftsman sets that showed up with mixed markings already helped reach such near consensus that if some kind of documented evidence showed up it would be anti-climactic at this point.

 

[Cruzan80]

Maybe you are right, Lugz. I thought there were still some firm holdouts in the "anti-" category. The "unhappy" remark was more joking about some people refusing to change their viewpoints (don't count any of present company in that).

 

[Smokeshow69]

I’m pretty sure you were dead on with that assumption. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that multiple circle u swivel socket sets contained SR sockets

Yup, I’ve seen 2 sets in person and examined them and all had the same wear which leads me to believe they all left the factory at the same time.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Maybe you are right, Lugz. I thought there were still some firm holdouts in the "anti-" category. The "unhappy" remark was more joking about some people refusing to change their viewpoints (don't count any of present company in that).

Gotcha. No worries. The original 'S.R.' thread - which is in the Sticky A-Z index under "S" as well as under Plomb - was rather contentious, and I was definitely one of the early skeptics. And, in general, I usually find it prudent to remain dubious about theories until proven, which can come across as strident in the face of reckless enthusiasm, but I never had any stake in it not being Sears, Roebuck, & Co., despite the many good reasons for healthy skepticism, and I was always eager for progress one way or another. In fact, I was the first person to submit an excerpt of them using "S.R." in a pre-war catalog as a sign that it might not be that odd after all. When that turned into a postwar ad for "S.R. socket sets" that @twertsy found, it became less odd yet, and the tide really started turning with reports and then examples of Craftsman socket and wobble socket sets with an odd two or three "[S.R.]" pieces in them.

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Gotcha. No worries. The original 'S.R.' thread - which is in the Sticky A-Z index under "S" as well as under Plomb - was rather contentious, and I was definitely one of the early skeptics. And, in general, I usually find it prudent to remain dubious about theories until proven, which can come across as strident in the face of reckless enthusiasm, but I never had any stake in it not being Sears, Roebuck, & Co., despite the many good reasons for healthy skepticism, and I was always eager for progress one way or another. In fact, I was the first person to submit an excerpt of them using "S.R." in a pre-war catalog as a sign that it might not be that odd after all. When that turned into a postwar ad for "S.R. socket sets" that @twertsy found, it became less odd yet, and the tide really started turning with reports and then examples of Craftsman socket and wobble socket sets with an odd two or three "[S.R.]" pieces in them.

I’m going to have to go find that thread. I would love to see the ad

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up this early Long C bench grinder Arbor assembly today for $10...looks rough but the badge is in pretty good shape and should clean up decent. Also found this multi bit driver for $1. But no I need to find the bits.

 

[Outlawmws]

Hmm, on that bit driver, Circle I is supposed to be: I-circle = Parker Mfg Co -But starting in '61-62?

Clearly not that time frame - so likely another co. had it for a short time.

 

[Lesserstore]

Craftsman Add-A-Bit, first variant 1943-54. The patent was filed by Stanley in 1940, and licensed to Parker in '42.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

So it's borderline stanley parker?