Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[genog]

These Circle H's were in a big bucket of sockets that I bought at the Flea Market
I pulled out all of the ChiCom and Taiwanese sockets and left them for the seller, who seemed surprised
...pleasantly surprised



And darn it.....I Need the 3/4

 

[Outlawmws]

And darn it.....I Need the 3/4

The 3/4 seems like it got abused/broken/traded in a lot back in the day. I had the same issue with both Long C and my Plvmb sets for a long time...

 

[Mintgrun]

I recently shared this 102.01121 bandsaw I found on FB MP in the Heritage thread, but realized it fits better in this one, so I am sharing it here to show a few photos after washing it off. He was offering up two of them and I chose the older one (of course!). These are the photos from his ad.

That's the tire from the upper wheel wrapped around the tensioner. It's pretty much complete, aside from the covers' knobs. Unfortunately, it did not come with the fence.

I took it apart so it would fit in my little car and blew it out with compressed air when I got home, followed by some soapy water.







It's got a Sears Companion motor with a cool 'open-hinge' mount. I'm guessing that's all original. He said he connected power and it ran, but I haven't done that yet.

This one on the Vintage Machinery site shows an added 1" riser block under the tensioner that allows you to use 80" blades, since 78" is an odd size. I'd like to copy that detail (with shorter bolts).



Walker Turner sure made some nice tools back in the day.

Tom

 

[four.cycle]

^ that Craftsman band saw looks dangerous!

 

[bmwrd0]

I have the W-T version, but I need to find a new lower wheel. Mine has the rise block.

 

[four.cycle]

Well... it's not marked with the "Long C" on the tool itself, but it does appear that way in the catalog illustration:

1939 Craftsman catalog pp 27 - hacksaws

This beauty was apparently manufactured between 1939 and 1942, and sports a production code of "BB". While not cited in Lauver's list, it looks like the likely culprit would have been Stanley. GJ member @d42jeep's photos of the same Craftsman "Master Grip" side by side with a Millers Falls specimen makes it look like the original maker was Millers Falls, not Stanley.
This was not in the best condition when I found it, and required a bit of sprucing up:


Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

photos and description of restoration HERE

 

[Smokeshow69]

Well... it's not marked with the "Long C" on the tool itself, but it does appear that way in the catalog illustration:

1939 Craftsman catalog pp 27 - hacksaws

This beauty was apparently manufactured between 1939 and 1942, and sports a production code of "BB". While not cited in Lauver's list, it looks like the likely culprit would have been Stanley.
This was not in the best condition when I found it, and required a bit of sprucing up:


Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

Craftsman 9AC3558 "Master Grip" hacksaw

photos and description of restoration HERE

That’s a good find! It should hopefully do well on the bay!

 

[four.cycle]

^ We're going to find out.
It's a nice saw, but that old Lenox I found is a much better design and far more fun to use.
I was actually kind of surprised by the heft of this Craftsman unit - it is not your usual "lightweight adjustable frame".

 

[d42jeep]

Mine is a match to my Millers Falls except for handle color. Nice job on the restoration of yours. I was much less thorough on mine
-Don

 

[four.cycle]

^ The scales on yours are in much better condition than those I found in that ebay ad.
So.... it was Millers Falls who made that, eh? NOT Stanley, as one might assume from Lauver's list.
I'll have to make a couple edits.
Thanks. BK

 

[RTM]

So.... it was Millers Falls who made that, eh? NOT Stanley, as one might assume from Lauver's list.

I don’t recall the original version of the list, but I copied it into my inventory spreadsheet. Mine says

BB	Planes by Millers Falls, possibly Hacksaws too

But that could be my edit, because I have several Craftsman by Millers Falls planes marked with BB, and probably saw Don’s hacksaw.

Craftsman Connection - KirkHMB

The Craftsman Family with Millers Falls and Sargent as the parents Left to Right MF 22, Craftsman 22C, Craftsman 18, Craftsman 418, Sargent 414, Craftsman 414 , Sargent 410 VBM, Craftsman 410, Milleers Falls 600, Craftsman 9, Craftsman 409, Front Sargent 409, Sargent 408, MF 8, Craftsman 3705...

kirkhmb.smugmug.com

 

[Outlawmws]

My BB tag note I added long ago and reads:

BB = Stanley, ca. 1939 - 1950 (This code only found on amber handled flat blade style screwdrivers, and a block plane; phillips screwdrivers of this same style and time period were found to have the I-circle code) - Note I-circle = Parker Mfg Co I don't have other Stanley codes that are not clearly noted as acquisitions by Stanley... I just added: BB Also found on Millers Falls made Amber handle hack saw - Long C period? Are we certain its MF for these saws? I list MF as: F-circle = Millers Falls

 

[four.cycle]

^ I think that Don's example clinches it as far as this unit goes. I just revised all my posts on this and the ebay listing as well.
I can't see how one could argue that it was NOT made by Millers Falls:
Gary Lauver's list shows "BB" as "Stanley", but only a few select items (slotted screwdrivers and a plane, but not Phillips)(how weird is that?)

So you have to ask: why would Millers Falls need to outsource a saw? They were a primary supplier - they sold all kinds of stuff to Sears.
In my mind, it just does not logically follow that MF would outsource a saw from Stanley.

 

[RTM]

Are we certain its MF for these saws

This post from the Hacksaws thread might throw a bit of shade on that statement

hacksaws?

A new Bonney pickup i got compared to a Klein saw that I got from my dad!

www.garagejournal.com

But I am certain about the planes, so a bit happier to expand, but that seems like a big one to use multiple OEMs for. Unlike BF, which is rumored to be Atkins hacksaws, Daido and KTC

 

[RTM]

Gary Lauver's list shows "BB" as "Stanley", but only a few select items (slotted screwdrivers and a plane,

Curious about the plane he listed, but I suspect he was wrong, per my link above.

 

[Cruzan80]

Gary Lauver's list shows "BB" as "Stanley", but only a few select items (slotted screwdrivers and a plane, but not Phillips)(how weird is that?)

I dont remember if it is a BB code, but I do have an early CM Phillips with patent information, which IIRC, was Bridgeport (based on the number).

 

[four.cycle]

So you think there's a possibility that both of Don's specimens were produced by Dreier Bros. (Dreier Bros. Inc., 7301 Woodlawn Ave., Chicago, IL) ?

Only way to confirm that would be to come up with an existing specimen with their name on it.

 

[d42jeep]

It seems like Millers Falls is likely to have started making those hacksaws around 1938 since they are marked “new”. Besides the upscale No. 84 they offered a less expensive No. 48 with the handles less fancy and riveted in place They offered both styles for a long time.
A later catalog listing from 1955.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

Other hacksaws possibly supplied by Millers Falls.
Wards.



Stiletto and Millers Falls examples of the less expensive No 48.
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-Don

 

[four.cycle]

I'd say that pretty much clinches it, no?

Shape of scales on the MF model 84 is same/same as the Craftsman "Master Grip"
Cut-out hole at rear of handle is same shape on both the MF 84 and MF 48 as on the Craftsman "Master Grip".
Thickness of frame at rear is 3/16"
Only difference I am seeing is that Millers Falls isn't touting that fancy-schmantzy "polished nickel plated frame"
(Sears had better pitch men, obviously. )

 

[RTM]

Only difference I am seeing is that Millers Falls isn't touting that fancy-schmantzy "polished nickel plated frame"
(Sears had better pitch men, obviously.

Sears did stuff like that with plane parts and chisels also. Plated parts that neither MF, Sandusky, or Stanley did natively. An easy tell when grabbing second hand, but not sure the tool works any better. I have a few examples.

 

[four.cycle]

^ So you think the Craftsman version was plated and the Millers Falls version was not plated?
Or that Millers Falls just didn't use the "polished nickel-plated frame" as part of their sales pitch?

 

[Outlawmws]

There is a difference between polished nickle plated and just nickle plated. I'd guess the non Craftsman simply skipped polishing the metal before plating.

 

[RTM]

So you think the Craftsman version was plated and the Millers Falls version was not plated?

For the planes and chisels, this is what I believe happened.