Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks gents. I'll post some more pics of the haul tomorrow.

 

[LesserSon]

Picked up a 50s stack yesterday filled with tools. Turned out to be 95 percent Long C stuff.

That’s amazing! You found the end of the rainbow, there.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

More from the treasure chest. Amber handle screwdrivers. Only one has crotch rot, the rest are in good condition. Chrome vanadium adjustables. Craftsman and Dunlap pipe wrenches. A nice little 3/8 BE set. A tappet set that's one of my favorites from the haul.

 

[r_olson_06]

More from the treasure chest. Amber handle screwdrivers. Only one has crotch rot, the rest are in good condition. Chrome vanadium adjustables. Craftsman and Dunlap pipe wrenches. A nice little 3/8 BE set. A tappet set that's one of my favorites from the haul.

Some more rare birds in there. I have never seen that weird pipe wrench.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Long C wood chisels. Love the wrench boxes. I had the box, now have a start on filling it. Another little BE socket set and an empty box. I'll have to go through the catalogs to figure out what's supposed to be in that box. Too small for a 3/8 set, pretty large for only 1/4 stuff. 6 ft steel tape that still retracts like new. Finally a non-Long C but I'll throw it in. C-series midget set in 9/32" drive.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Yeah I don't know what to think about that weirdo pipe wrench. I'll try to find in the catalogs.

 

[r_olson_06]

This could be the find of the year. If you start pulling some more c series or vandium socket sets out I may lose my mind.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

 

[twertsy]

Wow JoCo. Hell of a honey-hole find! I need to visit my sis and perhaps conduct a midnight raid! You've got several rare birds in those hauls. I don't recall seeing a 1/4" drive Amber set before.

You ****!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Hard telling what this source is going to produce but it sure is fun.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks Twertsy. The 1/4" amber stuff is actually in much better condition than the rest of it. Not one crack in any of the amber.

 

[twertsy]

Thanks Twertsy. The 1/4" amber stuff is actually in much better condition than the rest of it. Not one crack in any of the amber.

Trust me, I noticed!

 

[Outlawmws]

JoCo, the Pipe wrench is in the '54 catalog

Those Adjsutabls were made by J. P. Danialson for Sears. as they have the distinctive 12 pt hanger holes, and you have a complete set, even including the 4"!

The Tape is amazing, that "50 years" would be from the founding of Sears Roebuck, Not Craftsman, so 1943. Is the case magnetic? if not even more amazing as if it is brass, that was made AFTER the restrictions on the use of brass for non-war efforts...

Loving all the boxes and trays and again simply amazing that they have survived at all with any tools, much less full and partial seats! I got my Combo box with junk in it, I've added some of the wrenches, but not all. more likely to see socket sets with at least partial set, adn I've NEVER seen the tappet wrench tray!

BTW - look over the 1942 hand tools catalog so you can decide how you want to group the Amber handled set. They had them in a couple of boxes, but if It were me, I'd be setting up the big 48 piece set on the last page of the '42 catalog in the original box.
Also, be looking in there for the bars for the breakers.

 

[Outlawmws]

You mentioned the 50's stack of boxes: Post pics please? I'd almost expect this to be in the blue stack from the 1942 catalog, not a 50's heritage badge stack...

 

[Outlawmws]

This could be the find of the year. If you start pulling some more c series or vandium socket sets out I may lose my mind.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

If the amber set is complete that by itself would be the find of the year!

On that, as you go back JoCo, , if you haven't already got the box for the 48 pc amber set, be looking for it!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks for the info Outlaw. I haven't had much time to sort through the catalogs with this stuff yet so I appreciate the help. The tape measure is not magnetic but it IS made of brass. Here's the stack it was in. I believe the PO used this since it holds so much. Amazing amount of storage in it. I gave him a description of the box for the Super Deluxe 48 pc set last time I spoke with him so we'll see if he brings one in. That's what I really want the amber stuff in and I'm holding out hope that more amber pieces show up. On a side note, I missed snagging a 3 drawer long C top chest that had never had a tool in it by about 30 minutes the first time I stopped in at this place. I've met the guy that purchased it and have a standing offer to buy it from him if he ever decides to sell.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The roller is very late 40's at the earliest. They started badging boxes with the Heritage era logo long before they completely eliminated the Long C logo on tools. It's not at all unusual to find Long C tools in =CRAFSTMAN= logo boxes. It's possible they were doing the same with rollers. The pipe and adjustable wrench sets are amazing. They are not rare, but one fell swooping them like that doesn't happen too often. The J.P. Danielson made adjustables are special order, by the way. The in-house BET'R GRIP's had square throats. The pipe wrenches look to be Erie to me, btw. I don't have any, haven't tried to collect any, and didn't actually notice the OEM before now.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks for the info Lugz

 

[d42jeep]

The roller is very late 40's at the earliest. They started badging boxes with the Heritage era logo long before they completely eliminated the Long C logo on tools. It's not at all unusual to find Long C tools in =CRAFSTMAN= logo boxes. It's possible they were doing the same with rollers. The pipe and adjustable wrench sets are amazing. They are not rare, but one fell swooping them like that doesn't happen too often. The J.P. Danielson made adjustables are special order, by the way. The in-house BET'R GRIP's had square throats. The pipe wrenches look to be Erie to me, btw. I don't have any, haven't tried to collect any, and didn't actually notice the OEM before now.

That is a fantastic haul of Craftsman tools! Congratulations. I’m not sure that Erie was the OE on the pipe wrenches though. My Erie wrench looks a little different.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I see what you mean, Don. Same high camel-backed housing, but swash plate not quite right. They are not Ridge. Any ideas?

 

[d42jeep]

I see what you mean, Don. Same high camel-backed housing, but swash plate not quite right. They are not Ridge. Any ideas?

I have no idea. Maybe Craftsman had them made to their own design. If that’s the case it could have been any of the pipe wrench manufacturers, I guess. It would be good if a manufacturer’s code was found on one.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I agree with that, in principle, but Walworth couldn't have made a wrench that would break a Ridge patent, or vice versa, just for example. And in most Craftsman cases, with tools with distinguishable features, the OEM is apparent even without a code precisely because they are usually just re-branded (e.g., the JPD adjustables). Other than Ridge and Erie, I don't know anyone else making pipe wrenches of that pattern (style/design), which is much different than a Stillson pattern. And I still haven't worked out the deal between Ridge and Erie.

This is from a timeline on the Lakeside Forge website:

"1964. The Erie Story quotes ETW as “the world’s largest independently owned maker of pipe wrenches”. For more than 30 years the company produces a line of plumbing tools for Sears as well as many other private brand names (Armstrong, Ridgid, Toledo, Capewell, NYE, Skinner Seal and Reed Manufacturing)."

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Hope this helps gents. "CRAFTSMAN" on one side, "GUARENTEED A S" on the other.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

"GUARANTEED" was an Erie branding tell and it was on all the flip side of all their pipe wrenches. With that and the Lakeside blurb, I'm staying with Erie for now.

 

[twertsy]

"GUARANTEED" was an Erie branding tell and it was on all the flip side of all their pipe wrenches. With that and the Lakeside blurb, I'm staying with Erie for now.

I agree. On either here or GG, this has been ferreted out before.

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[JoCoSawdust]

I learn something every time I come on here. Thanks gents.

 

[d42jeep]

Very well could be Erie using a Craftsman specific design. I have a little trouble with Erie making tools for Ridgid. Probably something other than pipe wrenches.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I agree. On either here or GG, this has been ferreted out before.

Thanks, Todd.

Very well could be Erie using a Craftsman specific design.

Barring measurements and a closer look, I don't see anything about the design of those pipe wrenches that would be specific to the Craftsman except for the shape of the swashplate, Don. And that would be an easy thing to change. They look like Erie pipe wrenches with a different swash plate to me.

 

[d42jeep]

It’s good that you did the side by side comparison. It looks like the boss to the right of the knurled adjusting nut that locates the moveable jaw is a little taller on my Erie. In checking a 10” Ridgid it looks taller than the Craftsman as well. I suppose either manufacturer could have done the modifications to make the Craftsman wrench. As you know, early Ridgid models had the abbreviated swash plate. It does look a little closer to the Erie, though.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Or those could be negligible manufacturing variations, or die to die. I did note that the stabilizer seems slightly longer on the Craftsman, but I have had some RIDGID's with these kinds of small differences as well.

As for the swashplate, ETW had a smaller one, too.

 

[Outlawmws]

Keep in mind, Ridgid in particular made changes to the main forgings and those can be used to ID the spans of years they came from.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yes, I'm aware of that (see post #1 in my thread, here), but it requires more than just the main forgings. The markings, the adjusting nut, the swash plate, and the shape of the end of floating jaw are all key.

EDIT: I'd like to find the Erie patents, not only to study the Craftsman OEM question, but to figure out how it's different than Ridge. Has to be internal. Externally, it's the closest design to a Ridge there is.

 

[RubiconJK]

More from the treasure chest. Amber handle screwdrivers. Only one has crotch rot, the rest are in good condition. Chrome vanadium adjustables. Craftsman and Dunlap pipe wrenches. A nice little 3/8 BE set. A tappet set that's one of my favorites from the haul.

I like the amber handle Craftsman drivers. Does anyone know when those were made?

 

[twertsy]

Yes, I'm aware of that (see post #1 in my thread, here), but it requires more than just the main forgings. The markings, the adjusting nut, the swash plate, and the shape of the end of floating jaw are all key.

EDIT: I'd like to find the Erie patents, not only to study the Craftsman OEM question, but to figure out how it's different than Ridge. Has to be internal. Externally, it's the closest design to a Ridge there is.

Now that I think harder on it, I don't think it was Erie either. Started with an ?N? I cannot remember......

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[Private Lugnutz]

I'm staying with Erie until proven wrong, kinda like a pitcher staying with his out pitch until it's hit over the fence. If there was a third mfgr making pipe wrenches that looked virtually identical to Erie and Ridge, with a stabilizer boss PATENTED by Ridge, I'll eat my plumber's hat.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I'm envisioning a street brawl using pipe wrenches

 

[twertsy]

I'm staying with Erie until proven wrong, kinda like a pitcher staying with his out pitch until it's hit over the fence. If there was a third mfgr making pipe wrenches that looked virtually identical to Erie and Ridge, with a stabilizer boss PATENTED by Ridge, I'll eat my plumber's hat.

I remembered, after a call to Krusty. That pipe wrench was made by Nye.

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[Private Lugnutz]

That requires backup. Not that I distrust the research. It just won't hold up without the paper trail. If it was lost in the GG crash, I'm sure it can be reconstructed. See if he has the gist (starting with what NYE even stands for...), and I'll gladly try to help.

 

[bmwrd0]

Picked up the 1/2" over the weekend

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Aha. It's the oft-forgotten Nye (not acronym NYE) Tool and Machine, founded by Harry G. Nye, he of the Mayflower ancestors and the famous master yachtsman. And you can pass the salt, because Nye pipe wrenches DO look like Erie and Ridge, except for the swash plates, which don't resemble Ridge, Erie, or Craftsman (similar, but shorter). Which rang some old bells for me. I always assumed that Ridge was the Nye OEM. Nye was famous in the early years of the plumbers trade for its dies, cutters, and special vises. Harry as a young man recently graduated from Yale wrote funny articles for The Plumbers Journal in the 20's. No patent that I can find for a pipe wrench. If anything, this just makes me want to figure out the patent situation more. Ridge patents are all laid out of all to see in USPTO and DATAMP. Still nothing on Erie or Nye. Which is strange, to say the least. More work to do.

 

[twertsy]

Aha. It's the oft-forgotten Nye (not acronym NYE) Tool and Machine, founded by Harry G. Nye, he of the Mayflower ancestors and the famous master yachtsman. And you can pass the salt, because Nye pipe wrenches DO look like Erie and Ridge, except for the swash plates, which don't resemble Ridge, Erie, or Craftsman (similar, but shorter). Which rang some old bells for me. I always assumed that Ridge was the Nye OEM. Nye was famous in the early years of the plumbers trade for its dies, cutters, and special vises. Harry as a young man recently graduated from Yale wrote funny articles for The Plumbers Journal in the 20's. No patent that I can find for a pipe wrench. If anything, this just makes me want to figure out the patent situation more. Ridge patents are all laid out of all to see in USPTO and DATAMP. Still nothing on Erie or Nye. Which is strange, to say the least. More work to do.

Note that DATAMP is only showing patents up to 1940. Going through the Indexes post 1940 yields TONS of patents assigned to Nye which I'm slowly going through. No pipe wrench yet.....