Private Lugnutz
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I'm talking about the thickness of the steel around the handle, around the concave panel, Don. Look at your second pic. Or look at my pics again.
Show your "Long C" Craftsman!
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d42jeep
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I have never suggested that anybody but Danielson was the supplier of the long C adjustable wrenches, my point was that with the hex rather than square jaw there was some resemblance to Diamond adjustables as I think my pictures show.
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I really should have bought that one I saw at the flea. Yours and Provincial’s look to share a single manufacturer, and both look factory, but mine is different in both counts. Yet all have the same model number, including the ones with four driver faces.
Here are the marks on mine that make me believe it started with four faces - note the uneven end profile, and of course the parallel grooves where I believe the other faces were. The surface of the square mid-shank is not grooved - factory.
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Provincial
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Probably different manufacturers, or at least different designs. LS's example looks to have had the second side ground off, exposing the parting line of the blade insert. It is likely press fit, since the line is so distinct.
At some point it was determined that the blades could be assembled with working ends on both sides of the tool, rather than riveting a single-end blade in place. Perhaps it indicates that the geometric C is earlier? Or has that been determined already?
At some point it was determined that the blades could be assembled with working ends on both sides of the tool, rather than riveting a single-end blade in place. Perhaps it indicates that the geometric C is earlier? Or has that been determined already?
JoCoSawdust
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Yes your offset drive does look like it had a date with a grinder. It is interesting that all of these we've seen has the same model number (if a model number is present).
Picked up some Long C at the flea this AM. Not sure if the brace fits but it does have the geometric lettering. Will have to dig through the catalogs but I suspect it's newer than everything else in the pic. The handsaw is interesting in that it has the original scroll logo on the blade with a Long C decal on the handle.
Picked up some Long C at the flea this AM. Not sure if the brace fits but it does have the geometric lettering. Will have to dig through the catalogs but I suspect it's newer than everything else in the pic. The handsaw is interesting in that it has the original scroll logo on the blade with a Long C decal on the handle.
Private Lugnutz
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I didn't think you did, Don. Sorry if anything I said gave you that impression.
I would have had no argument with "some resemblance." Heck, there is "some resemblance" between Diamond and Crescent and other crescent-type adjustable wrenches with the same basic shape and hex throats. But "some resemblance" isn't what you originally said. What you said, and what I have been replying to, is this:d42jeep said:
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That's what I disagreed with, and still do. A Diamond adjustable is not a "closer match" for a Danielson-made Craftsman-branded adjustable than a Danielson-made BET'R GRIP adjustable any more than a Crescent or a Utica would be a closer match just because they have a hex throat. The Danielson-made Craftsman-branded adjustables are identical to Danielson-made BET'R GRIP branded adjustables with the sole exception of the shape of the throats. The same thing cannot be said of the Diamond adjustables or ay other adjustable. They have the same basic shape, but of course they don't have the exact same shape, coming from different dies. And again, they are clearly not as robust. I said upthread that the "frame" (ridge forming the handle around the concave panel) on a Diamalloy was visibly and measurably thinner than the frame on a Danielson. If you don't see the difference, here are some measurements. On an 8" adjustable, the Diamalloy frame is a full 1/16" thinner than the frame on a Danielson BET'R GRIP and Danielson-made Craftsman, and the entire wrench weighs an ounce less (Danielson and Craftsman - 8 ozs; Diamalloy 7 ozs).
I don't mean to beat a dead dog. Just wanted to be clear.
JoCoSawdust
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Thanks LS.
Rileysan
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Here's a recent acquisition.
Craftsman 1/2" drive, C-series socket set, catalog #9L5873
Set includes:
C-93 flex handle driver
C-32 1" socket
C-28 7/8" socket
C-26 13/16" socket
C-24 3/4" socket
C-22 11/16" socket
C-20 3/8" socket
C-19 19/32" socket
C-14 7/16" socket
Found by Mr. X last month at the Portland swap meet, he kindly mentioned that he saw this set then proceeded to take me to it where I purchased it for $25.
AA identifies this set as being sold ca. 1933-35. I found this set in the 1933 catalog but could not find it in any others. Catalog snippets including this set and other c-series sets available in 1934.
Prior to finding the set, I have found exactly 1 C-series socket in the wild which, unfortunately, is not one of the sockets I'm missing from the set.
Brian
Craftsman 1/2" drive, C-series socket set, catalog #9L5873
Set includes:
C-93 flex handle driver
C-32 1" socket
C-28 7/8" socket
C-26 13/16" socket
C-24 3/4" socket
C-22 11/16" socket
C-20 3/8" socket
C-19 19/32" socket
C-14 7/16" socket
Found by Mr. X last month at the Portland swap meet, he kindly mentioned that he saw this set then proceeded to take me to it where I purchased it for $25.
AA identifies this set as being sold ca. 1933-35. I found this set in the 1933 catalog but could not find it in any others. Catalog snippets including this set and other c-series sets available in 1934.
Prior to finding the set, I have found exactly 1 C-series socket in the wild which, unfortunately, is not one of the sockets I'm missing from the set.
Brian
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tombell572
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Nice, Brian! That plating seems to have held up really well over the years.
Tom B.
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Rileysan
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I already posted this in the toolbox thread but it needs to be here as well.
I was fortunate enough to have picked this up a couple weeks ago. At least two other GJ members have been aware of it for more than a month (both BMWRD0 and Smokeshow made a point of telling me about it). I didn't have time to drive more than an hour to pick it up so I never called. After 4 weeks, the seller dropped the price to $75 and I couldn't ignore it any longer!
Wartime Craftsman open top machinists' chest (catalog no. E 6542)
The entire frame is made from plywood and was covered in "genuine Fabrikoid" (1943) and "Fabricoid" (1944), which is just a fancy word for fake leather. The drawers are sheet metal and covered in felt.
This specific model was advertised in 1943-44 only and I suspect it was born out of the lack of available materials during the war. By 1945, the plywood frame box disappears from the catalogs altogether.
This box has been well taken care of and other than the paint splatter, I couldn't have found a better example!
I was fortunate enough to have picked this up a couple weeks ago. At least two other GJ members have been aware of it for more than a month (both BMWRD0 and Smokeshow made a point of telling me about it). I didn't have time to drive more than an hour to pick it up so I never called. After 4 weeks, the seller dropped the price to $75 and I couldn't ignore it any longer!
Wartime Craftsman open top machinists' chest (catalog no. E 6542)
The entire frame is made from plywood and was covered in "genuine Fabrikoid" (1943) and "Fabricoid" (1944), which is just a fancy word for fake leather. The drawers are sheet metal and covered in felt.
This specific model was advertised in 1943-44 only and I suspect it was born out of the lack of available materials during the war. By 1945, the plywood frame box disappears from the catalogs altogether.
This box has been well taken care of and other than the paint splatter, I couldn't have found a better example!
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Rileysan
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Recent eBay find. It came with a few =v= combo wrenches and was therefore probably overlooked.
Craftsman 1092F tappet wrench.
A few things makes this wrench unusual.
1) Scripting. The word "Vanadium" is directly under the Craftsman name.
2) The forging is a bit of a hybrid. The 5/8" end resembles that of the early C -series wrenches with 22.5 degree offset (ca. 1930) but the 11/16" end has no off-set.
3) The shank is flat, polished steel with nice clean stampings on both sides.
I looked through the catalog listings as well as AA and found nothing close to it. Can anyone offer any insight? Perhaps someone will recognize the style of another manufacturer?
Brian
Craftsman 1092F tappet wrench.
A few things makes this wrench unusual.
1) Scripting. The word "Vanadium" is directly under the Craftsman name.
2) The forging is a bit of a hybrid. The 5/8" end resembles that of the early C -series wrenches with 22.5 degree offset (ca. 1930) but the 11/16" end has no off-set.
3) The shank is flat, polished steel with nice clean stampings on both sides.
I looked through the catalog listings as well as AA and found nothing close to it. Can anyone offer any insight? Perhaps someone will recognize the style of another manufacturer?
Brian
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bmwrd0
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was machine specific.
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7” is more than adequate
This is the rest of the saw, if anyone is wondering. It is the 10” I believe (113) but it has done everything I have asked it to
heck, it still has a craftsman motor on the back 
A friend of mine has a newer table saw (newer is better, right?). It is so loud, you cannot hold a conversation. This one, while audible, I can talk to someone next to me...Attachments
I used to have 2 of the 113's one from he 50's one from the 60's and had than bolted to each other on a single stand. one for ripping and one for dados. I bought the 7 inch saw for the vise that was on it's wood stand, and tried the saw just for grins. then it became my go to for 95% of the rip jobs which was almost all I ever did, and after a couple of years finally sold the double as a waste of garage space. It was always cluttered with "stuff" so the little 7 inch saw was easy to pull out and use...
So I "made it so"... I have since found one deficiency: it will not take a std dado head as the arbor si too short, (so I use 3 stacked identical blades and that makes a great 1/4" finger joint!).
So I've since pickled up one broken and one complete 8 inch Atlas saws, and am going to set up one of those on one HD typewriter stand, and the 7 inch on a second HD typewriter stand, (the type that has a pedal to lift the stand onto wheels...)
The little one will probably still be my "go to"; I just like it. I do need to find a fence for it. I've been jury rigging fences and it works, but I think it would be easier if it has a "real" fence...
So I "made it so"... I have since found one deficiency: it will not take a std dado head as the arbor si too short, (so I use 3 stacked identical blades and that makes a great 1/4" finger joint!).
So I've since pickled up one broken and one complete 8 inch Atlas saws, and am going to set up one of those on one HD typewriter stand, and the 7 inch on a second HD typewriter stand, (the type that has a pedal to lift the stand onto wheels...)
The little one will probably still be my "go to"; I just like it. I do need to find a fence for it. I've been jury rigging fences and it works, but I think it would be easier if it has a "real" fence...
bmwrd0
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I have one of those little 7" saw also. It is a Dunlap and I have the fence. But I was super excited to find the blade guard (or at least one that looks right) now I just need to finish my power hacksaw resto and I can get to it.
germaneighter
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I recently joined this forum to gain knowledge about a couple old drill presses. But I've enjoyed learning about all sorts of tools. I was at an estate sale today at lunch and picked up this offset screwdriver for a buck. I've seen a couple others like this on the forum. Can someone tell me it's age? thanks
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Rileysan
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First off - You ****!
Secondly, now that you're checking out estate sales at lunch, you're officially a junkie. Welcome to the "support group".
Finally, your offset screwdriver is probably from some time in the 1930s. Illustrations in the Craftsman catalogs in the 1930s are often quite poor, and screwdrivers were not given much attention until the amber handles were introduced in the late 30s. Your screwdriver should be stamped "vanadium", the practice of which all but ended for Craftsman tools at the start of WWII, so it's a no-brainer to assume it was made pre-WWII. The 1942 catalog illustration shows a round shank offset screwdriver but that's only anecdotal evidence to date yours. Sears also sold Craftsman punches & chisels (I have one) with the same shank as your offset, so maybe someone else will have better luck finding those in a catalog.
One final comment. I think your screwdriver is the 4th one I've seen here so I'm going to say it's probably not rare, though safe to say it's uncommon. Nice find!
Brian
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Rileysan
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Adding to my Craftsman C-series tools is this set of 5 8-pt sockets procured off eBay ($15.50 shipped).
C-016 1/2"
C-018 9/16"
C-020 5/8"
C-022 11/16"
C-024 3/4"
They are all engraved but I'm not at all disappointed. Now if only I can find a C-97 ratchet for a song ...
Brian
C-016 1/2"
C-018 9/16"
C-020 5/8"
C-022 11/16"
C-024 3/4"
They are all engraved but I'm not at all disappointed. Now if only I can find a C-97 ratchet for a song ...
Brian
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Nice. I think I have the C-30 sitting at home, if you're still missing that one.
JoCoSawdust
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Nice! I'm sure you've seen the guy there asking 40 bucks a pop for C-series sockets.
d42jeep
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Rileysan
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I saw those (9/32" drive) sockets - it seems insane but I gotta wonder if the seller has successfully sold any. It's hard enough to find them but even harder to find single sockets because most sellers don't want to hassle with singles so they sell as sets. There's also a 1/2" set (with ratchet) on eBay for $650. I think it will sell.
Brian
JoCoSawdust
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You may have a point Brian. If I was only missing one socket to complete a C-series set I'd more than likely cough up the 40 clams instead of searching for the next ten years to find one at a yard sale. I'm watching the set for 650. It'll be interesting to see how that goes.
JoCoSawdust
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Others have posted these here before but now it's my turn! Long C augers and a long C marked metal box! Box needs a little straightening, but not too much!
Vanadium Steel + Chrome should = Pre-war:
Nice set Outlaw. I passed on a set of those in a nearly perfect box about two months ago as I already had an armload of other stuff. Still kicking myself in the can for it.
Dibiase77
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Those saws are super cool. The logo looks good on them for the age of them. Nice find.
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Rileysan
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I have the 9/32 drive set and 1/2 drive set. Only missing the c 97 ratchet and an extension.i refuse to pay those prices on eBay. I'll find what I need in the wild
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YOU sir, ****! I don't care what you paid for that set, but it wasn't enough!
Seriously, though. Nice set!
Brian
JoCoSawdust
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Yeah I saw that set when he first posted it and my jealously went through the roof. Incredible set!
Dibiase77
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Honestly I paid $20 for that set and some other cman sockets and such.
It was the first time I went hunting in the wilds for tools. Its why I joined GJ. Once I read about the history I decided to start collecting. Lots of history in old tools.
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Rileysan
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Yes! Very nice find, btw. I have yet to come across any 3/8" drive C-series tools - either in the wild or online.
Here's an excerpt from the 1934 catalog. I present to you the Craftsman "fit mor" 3/8" socket sets.
Brian
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r_olson_06
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I have only ever found 4 cf series items. 2 extensions and 2 sockets. I have since traded them off to a fellow GJ member.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
r_olson_06
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I believe the rarity. It seems that 3/8" sockets we're just coming to an offering during this time.
As far as manufacturer snap on made the ratchets but I am still not buying they made the socketry and extensions.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
d42jeep
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I agree with Roy. That extension doesn’t look at all like my SO Ferret 3/8” drive extension in the upper set.
-Don
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