Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[JoCoSawdust]

There’s a thread on OWWM that tried to do that several years ago. Missed the mark pretty bad IMO. I may try to cobble something together this winter. If I do, I’ll be asking for help.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Agreed. I’ve got something pretty cool waiting for me at home that I’ll post in the next few days. Playing American Airlines roulette right now trying to get home.

 

[RTM]

There’s a thread on OWWM that tried to do that several years ago. Missed the mark pretty bad IMO. I may try to cobble something together this winter. If I do, I’ll be asking for help.

I can try to offer some images, but no idea when they are from, as all acquired second hand, and way before me, and some even my fathers time.

 

[danandmelrod]

I think there is a very clear progression from one logo to the next (i.e., Wavy in Oval - Oval with Tabs - Oval with Tabs & Stars - Long C, sometimes embedded in Oval with Tabs & Stars - Long C (includes Short Long C, Geometric, etc) - Heritage - Crowntop - etc etc) that, for the most part, jibes with manufacturing and other marking details that, for the most part, help date most Craftsman tools. Having said that, there are overlaps between logos, during transition periods, that can be tricky, as Outlaw already mentioned. And they weren't very consistent across their entire product line. For example, I think it's pretty clear that the Long C logo remained on some machines longer than it did on most tools. And yeah, some logos - like the one that prompted this line of discussion, just seem to become associated with a line of products where it persisted so long and through several changes that it seems way out of whack.

But I wouldn't overgeneralize those overlaps, aberrations, and anomalies, which could make it seem like it's willy-nilly anything goes (i.e., almost any logo could be found in almost any era and any attempts to timeline them are hopeless), which I don't think is the case.

But what do I know? I'm just a Long C flipper and i still think Lauver's old timeline (now marked up with notes!) is pretty good.

Case in point. Here is an example of a 20 year overlap between logos. This paint scraper has the original crown logo tag but the handle has the geometric stamping which as you noted coincides with long c era. This scraper just listed on the auction site if anyone is interested.

 

[four.cycle]

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[Arne73]

Regarding logos and their progression:
We see them from the consumer/collector standpoint 50+ years from the original date of manufacture. Sears was one of if not the largest retailer on the planet with multitudes of contract suppliers with contract periods overlapping what we now see as "logo eras". As a logo was created, updated or phased out, it may have been considered too expensive to update across the board or just not worth the time from Sears point of view. The Craftsman name represented a premium product and the suits at Sears may have felt that no matter the logo style , the name meant quality.
I personally find it fascinating to see whats out there.

 

[danandmelrod]

Photos of my resent flea market/swap meet finds:
1933 rafter square R-100-B
1933 12 inch wood screw driver
1940’s NOS Amber Phillips Screwdriver
1940’s ball peen hammer

 

[danandmelrod]

Some more pics.
Dan

 

[Smokeshow69]

Photos of my resent flea market/swap meet finds:
1933 rafter square R-100-B
1933 12 inch wood screw driver
1940’s NOS Amber Phillips Screwdriver
1940’s ball peen hammer

That hammer is very nice!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Nice haul Dan. I particularly like the wood handled screwdriver. Wood or amber, any of those pre-war screwdrivers are hard for me to find. I suppose a lot of them were warrantied when the Super Tuffs came along.

Here's something a bit different. 22 piece "Handy Set" as offered in the 1935 catalog. Sears liked their 1/2" drive/midget combo sets. I've tracked them up into the 1970s and got tired of looking. This set was missing two of the sockets and all of the drive tools. The sockets that were there had the early plain block font so I kept that theme going with the drive tools. The 10" extension has the later Long C logo so it needs to be changed out at some point when I find the correct piece. The midget set is missing the T-bar (surprise! surprise!!). Both metal cases are black crinkle finish.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Very nice set. I have seen that one in husky as well.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Nice haul Dan. I particularly like the wood handled screwdriver. Wood or amber, any of those pre-war screwdrivers are hard for me to find. I suppose a lot of them were warrantied when the Super Tuffs came along.

Here's something a bit different. 22 piece "Handy Set" as offered in the 1935 catalog. Sears liked their 1/2" drive/midget combo sets. I've tracked them up into the 1970s and got tired of looking. This set was missing two of the sockets and all of the drive tools. The sockets that were there had the early plain block font so I kept that theme going with the drive tools. The 10" extension has the later Long C logo so it needs to be changed out at some point when I find the correct piece. The midget set is missing the T-bar (surprise! surprise!!). Both metal cases are black crinkle finish.

Really cool set Jocosawdust! Certainly isn’t a common box configuration and a bit interesting that the boxes were painted black from the factory.

 

[Hammered 77]

Does this "For Kids 6' tape" qualify as a long C?

Rick

 

[Outlawmws]

I'm thinking no; the underline is not part of the C, and the font isn't close

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I think the whole colored chalkboard theme is anachronistic for 30's and 40's, too. I'm guessing modern on that. Within the last 20 or so years.

 

[Lesserstore]

Photos of my resent flea market/swap meet finds:
1933 rafter square R-100-B
1933 12 inch wood screw driver
1940’s NOS Amber Phillips Screwdriver
1940’s ball peen hammer

That Craftsman wood handle screwdriver I think is relatively uncommon. They were only listed in the Sears catalogs from 1951 to early 1952. Are there any other markings on it like manufacturer's code?

 

[Lesserstore]

Does this "For Kids 6' tape" qualify as a long C?

Rick

I would agree on the consensus of "no", but it's a cool novelty piece nonetheless.

 

[Mintgrun]

I don't have a Craftsman wrench to plug this into, but it will fit some Duro and Mossberg ratchets I have. The detent balls in this 5" extension are a bit smaller than this unmarked 3" example (posted just for that comparison).



I'm glad most of the corrosion is on the unmarked portion. (Full disclosure).



Tom

 

[four.cycle]

that upper one is a gem.

you can get brand new drive couplers for those old female drive ratchets from KC Tool out of Kansas City.

 

[Gdrock33]

Cleaning up some of my grandfather's tools. One of the first ones is this Craftsman 1027 DOE wrench.

 

[danandmelrod]

That Craftsman wood handle screwdriver I think is relatively uncommon. They were only listed in the Sears catalogs from 1951 to early 1952. Are there any other markings on it like manufacturer's code?

Hi Lesser,

Thanks for the clarification on the screwdriver. I would have guessed that it was older. There are no other markings.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Picked up another mid 30s set, this one with a golden jubilee decal

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Great find OTG!! At least you don't have to wonder what year it's from.

 

[danandmelrod]

Ditto on the awesome find OTG!

 

[danandmelrod]

Sharing some pics of what I picked up today!

 

[danandmelrod]

Additional pics.
Regards, Dan

 

[Outlawmws]

Dan, are the Vee Blocks Long C?

OTG WOW! great find!

 

[danandmelrod]

Cleaned up the nut driver and socket extension with a fine write wheel brush and old school turtle wax polish!

 

[danandmelrod]

Dan, are the Vee Blocks Long C?

OTG WOW! great find!

Hi Outlaw,

The box has the long C logo but not the v-blocks. What gives? Maybe they are early fifties?

 

[Outlawmws]

I'm Seeing "Simpson Sears LTD?" on the box, so that may give a closer clue for date.

 

[Outlawmws]

and here it is:

"In 1952 Simpson's started a 50-50 joint venture in Canada named Simpsons-Sears Limited (later Sears Canada) with Sears, Roebuck, the American retailer. "

 

[danandmelrod]

NOS 10 inch abrasive disks for the large belt disc sander made by walker turner.

 

[danandmelrod]

I'm Seeing "Simpson Sears LTD?" on the box, so that may give a closer clue for date.

Good eye, outlaw. Thanks for the info.

 

[Old Radar]

Sweet finds for both OTG & danandmelrod!!

 

[d42jeep]

This little box came with some dark finish S-K tools I ordered on eBay. Any thoughts on what might have originally come in it? It has some nice drain holes in the bottom.
-Don

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Could be for swivel sockets, deep sockets, tuneup wrench set

 

[outofbounds]

While certainly not a beauty queen by any means, this 9-1/2" Slotted Screwdriver can go forward into a collection as "ugly but proud" in the fact that is at least original and intact.

 

[Username already in use]

NOS torch tip from the antique store today. Not sure why someone would have opened it.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Cool find. Or I guess "hot" would be a better adjective!

 

[Outlawmws]

What does the tip look like? I keep tips in the original boxes when not in use... It may be "used once"?