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I am not actually a professional machinist, but I do process analysis and compliance documentation. I end up dealing with metrology a good bit, because it is really the basis everything else is built off. Master plates are not rare in US industry, but not common either. The knowledge base to work at they level is dying. As a result most companies out source their calibration needs and don't need a true master plate or metrology lab. Coordinate Measuring Machines that are accurate to ridiculous precision have replace a lot of the work that used to be done on a surface plate in larger industry. I still see surface plates often in tool rooms for tool setting, validating go no gauges, quick part checks etc, but it has been a while since I have seen a true in house metrology lab.

It seems like if you go through the effort to get your mounting points planar and square, you are going to lose the precision you build in if you reintroduce none parallelism when you bolt the work piece.
 
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It seems like if you go through the effort to get your mounting points planar and square, you are going to lose the precision you build in if you reintroduce none parallelism when you bolt the work piece.
Heh, I'm sure there are a hundred ways that this will be a meaningless gesture as far as the accuracy of the machine. But a lot of life is spent doing things that you suspect are fruitless so you can placate the doubts that would otherwise haunt you. I'm hoping the experience gained will offset any loss of progress towards the finish. If things are still off at the top of the Y axis spars I will try to scrape those in. Once that boat anchor of a spindle is mounted, I'm sure everything is going to flex well out of true. You just got to do your best and hope it works, try to fix it when it doesn't.
 

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A few days later the unit I was actually looking for was posted, it was $300 but new they are $1000 so I figured it was as good as I could hope for. I know I will likely see one or two come up cheaper now that I got this one. I will likely buy more to "average out" the price, that makes sense right? Right? Send help...
I'm a little late in replying to this.

I have a Haimer 3D taster. I am very happy with it. I did break a probe on a Saturday and got on Amazon that afternoon and a new one at 10 AM Sunday.
It wasn't cheap. Around $350 but very much worth it.
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You'd like my tool collection at least ;-)
I'm sure I would. I'm in the midst of re-organizing my space again. I need to update my thread. We probably would drive all the neighbors crazy.
I know they are praying I'm not secretly building some kind of killer robot, sadly for them that's basically exactly what I'm doing.
Isn't that what every Japanese kid is doing?

I sort of had to give up my hobbies while living in Tokyo. I lived at the Okura Hotel for eleven months. I did go out and buy toys and such. Then shipped them home.
 
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I'm a little late in replying to this.

I have a Haimer 3D taster. I am very happy with it. I did break a probe on a Saturday and got on Amazon that afternoon and a new one at 10 AM Sunday.
It wasn't cheap. Around $350 but very much worth it.
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These are lovely little units, Big Daishawa makes a similar one, I'd love to have either. I've seen a guy on YouTube who attached a small USB camera to the front of his and automated coordinate fixing with optical recognition running on LinuxCNC. For me, triggering off the LED in my units (and as I predicted I did end up getting yet another one) will be far easier to automate. I love that your unit compensates for the probe length and diameter though. They are dreamy.
 
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Well the blue mica powder didn't have a lot of impact. I put two teaspoons in a small amount of paint and it gave it a subtle cool blue tint, which was nice, but to have any really noticeable effect would likely require the whole $30 jar. I figured I could live with silver. I still need to experiment with adding more silicone oil, the amount of hammer effect with this paint is subtle. I tried different layer thicknesses and techniques, it is tricky paint. It has a very thick, almost honey like consistency, and you have to lay it down properly the first time and don't rework it in any way or you lose the hammered, spiderwebby effect.

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I really liked this little logo I discovered under the layer of grime and old cosmoline.

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The finish is glassy and hard and feels good to touch. I gave the exposed surfaces a thick coat of Boeshield which I have heard mostly positive things about. Not easy to get over here but if it protects my stuff from rusting (which really has been a challenge and worry) I will be very happy indeed. Now I really need to put it aside and get back to working on the pantry to finish that off and get some floor space freed up for scraping.
 

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Well the blue mica powder didn't have a lot of impact. I put two teaspoons in a small amount of paint and it gave it a subtle cool blue tint, which was nice, but to have any really noticeable effect would likely require the whole $30 jar. I figured I could live with silver. I still need to experiment with adding more silicone oil, the amount of hammer effect with this paint is subtle. I tried different layer thicknesses and techniques, it is tricky paint. It has a very thick, almost honey like consistency, and you have to lay it down properly the first time and don't rework it in any way or you lose the hammered, spiderwebby effect.

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I really liked this little logo I discovered under the layer of grime and old cosmoline.

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The finish is glassy and hard and feels good to touch. I gave the exposed surfaces a thick coat of Boeshield which I have heard mostly positive things about. Not easy to get over here but if it protects my stuff from rusting (which really has been a challenge and worry) I will be very happy indeed. Now I really need to put it aside and get back to working on the pantry to finish that off and get some floor space freed up for scraping.
Turned out great.
Wow. $30 for a jar. I guess I shouldn't really be surprised.
 
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Not a lot of actual progress, it has turned cold over here. I'll never get used to how quickly the seasons change over here. I've been spending way too much (in small increments) rescuing unrecognized gems from the auction sites. Of the more notable finds we have here a small Fanuc Wire EDM squaring device.

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This is made out of a 75mm cube of granite and has two carbide probes that extend out and are machined to be perpendicular to the base. The two leds independently illuminate when they are contacted by the wire, assisting in getting the wire perfectly vertical to the workpiece. There is enough space inside the block for me to rewire it and add a battery so it can work as a standalone squaring probe for any conductive material.

Another interesting item was this old and undocumented "Mitutoyo" 524-201 dial indicator.

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I put Mitutoyo in quotes because I strongly suspect this was actually built by Mahr in Germany. The clean Teutonic look of it, the fonts and colors, and the fact that Mitutoyo still outsources many of their micron accuracy indicators to Mahr lead me to that thinking. But there is virtually no documentation online I can find on it. I disassembled it to clean and reoil the mechanism, but there were no obvious clues (to me, I suspect someone more familiar with metrology movements would be able to identify it easily) as to where it was made. I want to note how enormous this thing is, the face is a ridiculous 100 mm in diameter and the mounting barrel is 28 mm! I think it was intended for use in a fixed inspection station, as it came with a little finger operated probe lift attachment, and the two tolerance lines which are easy to set. The giant face and clean markings make it really easy to read with my old eyes, and if it is still accurate (I will need to test it) the micron accuracy and large range make it still fairly useful. If possible, I will need to make an adaptor that will allow it to be mounted to my inspection stand.

The next item is also a bit of a mystery, I'm not able to identify if the manufacturer Shinei is still around (in the same form anyway.)

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The purpose is to evaluate the surface deviation. This works similarly to a western tool called a Repeat-o-Meter that is used to detect localized deviation in surface plates and machine beds. By positioning an indicator in the center of three contact points (which establish a plane) you can make measurements on how consistent the surface is based on how far it deviates from a known zero. It has a number of different positions for the contacts including the telescoping legs. I picked up another Mitutoyo digital indicator and a wired data capture cable, so I will try to map out the surface plate prior to my attempt to scrape it flat.

So other than collecting dubious 'projects' of questionable value, I've also been trying to lock down the stuff that I actually know are useful (since I've been using them.) My homebuilt Mag-Drill has a few weak points that I need to address. One is that the pipe thread mount, while strong and secure, was only half of the mounting system as designed by Hitachi. There still needs to be a top plate that securely locates the drill in its rotational axis (around the centerpoint of the pipe fitting) and perpendicular to it to prevent any flex and ensure the bit is parallel to the linear rails. The $30 PU-MP3 drill I was using has a massive 16mm chuck, and although its gearing it feels like it could drill through armor plate, but it suffered from a lot of runout 😞 With everything clamped down, it would dance my drill vice around a lot. This made me pause any further development as this needed to be resolved if this drill was going to do any serious work (the backing plate of my device would be easily adaptable to alternate tools.)

So I was thinking of picking up another one in case the issue was just that mine had been dropped on its chuck or something, (they are mostly indestructible, were manufactured for 30+ years and it seems like there is an endless supply of them very cheaply at the moment) but I decided to do some more research as I knew there were a number of variants that targeted specific tasks, from wood drilling to paint mixing. What I found is that they made the iron working DU-PN2, which shares the body, but substitutes the 16mm chuck and drivetrain of my unit with an even lower geared 500rpm Morse Taper 2 spindle. I have to admit I never thought a 'hand-drill' with a morse taper existed, but sure enough $50 got me one (with some bonus bits) delivered to my door overnight.

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I need to clean it up a bit, repack the gears with fresh grease, check the runout and put a new grounded plug on it, but it runs and despite all the scratches and dings, looks fairly unabused. I also have been somewhat vindicated by my hoarding instincts, as I happened to have a brand new Albrecht 13mm chuck and matching MT2 arbor, who were just waiting for a purpose! If you haven't heard of Albrecht chucks, they are a German made, keyless, very high quality design that is widely copied by less reputable overseas sources these days. The utility of the 16mm chuck on the previous drill is far outweighed by being able to use morse tapered bits, both from a strength standpoint, but also because removing the chuck to use the larger drills results in a far more compact tool height. One of the difficulties of my design is that the limited 100mm of travel I had makes fitting long bits and the vise mounted workpiece in that small envelope quite a challenge, I expect this will help a lot.

I also finally put the IP phone system in at my wifes business. It seems like every 10 years I install business phones thinking it will be 'easier this time', but it is always harder and more fraught with complications. 40 years ago it was so straight forward, just thick multipair cables, 110 punchdown blocks and 8 line phones with chunky incandescent line buttons. Then fully integrated business phone systems (I always used Toshiba), with a modular controller and proprietary extensions. If you knew the system and the magic key strokes to get the features straight, you were golden. The last 10 years has been IP phones and Asterisk based controllers, but it really hasn't gotten any easier since the last system I built. It feels like things have stagnated, maybe the new ways people communicate have made these systems unworthy of improvement, or maybe i've forgotten how hard it was 10 years ago... either way I hope this is the last one I ever build.
 
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I pulled the drill apart to re-grease it (and I'm tempted to completely strip it down to paint it, because I'm clearly disturbed.) I removed about half its weight in old grease, 99% of which had clearly done nothing but take up space over the years. Every cavity was just packed, it took me several hours to remove it all. The gears are hardened and were in good shape, no metal particles or unusual wear patterns. A couple of the sealed bearings were a bit noisy though, and the least accessible one buried deep in a blind housing was noticeably crunchy and absolutely needed to be replaced. Since the bearings are common and cheap I've ordered replacements for all of them, may as well since I'm in there.

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There is a special tool for pulling blind bearings, but I don't have it (although I've been tempted to get a set.) Before I ordered expensive tools that I'm unlikely to use more than a few times, I thought I'd try the AvE trick and sacrifice an old T-Shirt to try and get it out. The method is pretty clever, you essentially create a hydraulic pump out of the bearing itself to pop it out. Since the inner race was 9mm I used a 9mm drill bit, reversed so the shaft acted as a piston. Filling the cavity with grease I used the drill bit and a mallet to force small strips of cloth into the space behind the bearing through the inner race. Little by little the bearing was pushed out by the hydraulic forces of the grease impregnated cloth, and few minutes later it was free.

I likely could have used heat, but that's always a bit frustrating as you never know how much is needed and you have to time it right for when the housing is hot, but the bearing itself is still cool enough that it too hasn't expanded.



As an update, it turns out the correct name for the surface measurement device from my last post is a Spherometer, and they are used to measure the curvature (or in my case the hopefully lack of curvature) of a surface. They are typically used to measure lenses and mirrors, which makes more sense to me as it had a number of different foot mounting points which would help it to more easily measure different diameters. It will come in handy if I ever decide to grind my own telescope mirror :)
 

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As an update, it turns out the correct name for the surface measurement device from my last post is a Spherometer, and they are used to measure the curvature (or in my case the hopefully lack of curvature) of a surface. They are typically used to measure lenses and mirrors, which makes more sense to me as it had a number of different foot mounting points which would help it to more easily measure different diameters. It will come in handy if when I ever decide to grind my own telescope mirror :)
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There is a special tool for pulling blind bearings, but I don't have it (although I've been tempted to get a set.) Before I ordered expensive tools that I'm unlikely to use more than a few times, I thought I'd try the AvE trick and sacrifice an old T-Shirt to try and get it out. The method is pretty clever, you essentially create a hydraulic pump out of the bearing itself to pop it out. Since the inner race was 9mm I used a 9mm drill bit, reversed so the shaft acted as a piston. Filling the cavity with grease I used the drill bit and a mallet to force small strips of cloth into the space behind the bearing through the inner race. Little by little the bearing was pushed out by the hydraulic forces of the grease impregnated cloth, and few minutes later it was free.
A word to the wise: wear eye protection if using the grease-as-hydraulic-jack trick. It can find the smallest hole and squirt out at high pressure. Don't want that in yer eye!
 

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Have you considered printing a tool to remove the bearing?
I am finding I can design what I need and print it. Here's a pencil scribe I did.
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I needed to trace a piece of furniture without an offset.
I'm also 3D printing workholding for my CNC.
 
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Have you considered printing a tool to remove the bearing?
My 3D printer's name is Nailmaker for a reason, it is the hammer that makes every problem look solvable. :cool: But the AvE trick took a few minutes, if it didn't work my next step likely would have been a 3D part that emulated the official tool. Although I might have just bought the tools, since I seem to treat them like Pokemon.
 
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This year's entry to the imaginary Hand Tool Rescue diamond in the rough contest didn't place in the top 3, but at least I got the coveted Yak Shaving award!

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It started out in pretty rough shape, as most of these do, having survived so many years of abuse bouncing around in the bottom of some tool box. The damage was mostly superficial, and there isn't a trace of plastic anywhere on this tool, so it will take more than some scratches to stop it. I don't really want to question the choice of silver on the aluminum body since any other color would likely turn out worse over time, I just tried to preserve its stock appearance. There were a couple of surprises after stripping it down though.

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As I suspected, the gears showed virtually no wear, but the bearings all had various issues. One of the design choices they made was to use a large sleeve type plain bearing, about 60mm in length, for the front of the spindle. The spindle is backed with a 6202ZZ deep groove ball bearing which handles the thrust load, I was tempted to substitute a tapered roller bearing but I figured it was better to stick with the factory style first and 'improve' things if there is ever a clear reason to. That bearing wasn't in bad shape, just barely gritty in feel. The sleeve itself is made of steel, not bronze, and doesn't really have any obvious provision for lubrication. There is a tight fitting brass shim that seals the gap on the inside and would seem to prevent grease from making its way in there to replenish the supply. The only obvious signs of wear (and heat) were in the end of that where the hardened spindle came out unscathed, but there was light grooving in the steel (maybe Iron? That would make more sense) sleeve. I'm hoping it will not be an issue, at least half of the contact surface towards the back was still in good condition, and I can feel absolutely no play in the assembled tool. Quick initial tests showed about 20 microns of runout on the MT2 arbor, which is so much better than the other drill which seemed to be easily a half a millimeter off or more at the end of a bit.

The other thing I was kind of interesting is that the rear casting is actually different from the other unit I have. I'd assumed that they had designed this to be a kind of modular workhorse design that allowed for different front sections to be mounted with the gearing and spindle, but the motor assembly could all be shared between the various models. But in reality, they actually changed the casting for the wood unit, incorporating a depth rod mount and slightly tapering the rear end. The handles and brush cleaning access plate are the only things shared. I guess this comes from a time when profits were not the first priority, and these were intended for industrial use, so they weren't really cutting corners, but it still surprised me since you'd be hard pressed to spot the differences if you didn't know to look.

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I spent most of the painting time carefully masking up the surfaces, I just hand sanded the last remnants of paint off and knocked down the worst of the dings. I gave it two coats of primer, I didn't sand it again, just went straight to the 2 part (epoxy style) spray on silver. It ***** that once you activate the hardener, the paint in those cans is on a timer. I was looking for everything I could potentially spray to reduce the waste since the drill body took very little paint to cover it. Painting still feels like a challenge, although I'm getting better at it. This had no runs or other issues that usually trigger me, it came out so nice I almost regret not spending more time and done some filling. But there is a finite amount of hair on our Bovine friends, and surely I will finish the pantry before this year is over?
 
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So a little change of subject, yesterday we received a surprise cooler from our friends that contained a dozen plump and quite live abalone, individually packed in ice chilled, oxygen filled bags of seawater. They regularly spoil us with food sent from their travels, a tradition of gift giving the country is well set up to support. Cheap and efficient overnight delivery is available from most resort area markets, so we are often getting fresh seafood or meats from them. Often the amount they send is extravagant, so I suggested that we bring some to one of our favorite local places to share with the master there, as it was too many for us to eat and he is excellent with seafood. Although I can cook, I stress out about wasting such treasures with my lack of skill, and it would have been a shame to freeze them. It may sound a little odd to bring your own ingredients to a restaurant, but over here if you have a close relationship with a place it isn't as uncouth as it sounds.

The shop is a family business, husband and wife, with their beautiful daughter helping out as she prepares to start university life. As I always have trouble with names, I often give our regular places nicknames which helps when I'm texting with my wife about where we should go (before Covid made me a hermit.) So we call this restaurant 'Island', mainly because the master is from the small islands about an hour or two by boat off the coast of Tokyo bay. As with every region of Japan, they have their own unique foods and traditions, obviously the sea being a big part of that culture.

We've been customers there from the first days of moving to this town 7 years ago, we're in the quieter outskirts of Shibuya, still close to the heart of Tokyo. I have to say that we've never had something that wasn't delicious from them, the food is outstanding and varied, and we always get 'Omakase' or the chef's choice of fresh seasonal sashimi, often with fish from the islands themselves. The mama-san is very lively and outgoing, she is quick to laugh and is in constant motion. The master is quiet and focused, working behind the counter methodically and with years of experience so no motion is wasted. The orders are called to him once, and he takes no notes and checks no slips, he just creates the delicious dishes in silence, never forgetting a single item.

One of the charming Japanese traditions is that regular customers often 'bottle keep' meaning you buy a bottle of alcohol (usually about 720ml) and they keep it on the shelf for you. I'm a big Shochu fan, and I typically keep a bottle of Buckwheat or purple Sweet Potato derived Shochu from the islands that I drink on the rocks. They bring us a nice ice set and my bottle when we arrive, my wife usually like to get the fresh unpasteurized draft beer (that due to deep distribution channels, heavy competition between breweries, and rapid daily delivery can be found in the farthest corners of Japan.) There is always a small dish of something seasonal, last night was steamed wild mustard greens and raw octopus in a mayonnaise sauce, one of my favorites.

With all the abalone on hand, he prepared it in 4 ways. Sashimi of course, but also steamed in sake, grilled in the shell with garlic butter, and lightly battered and fried. All of it was amazing, he managed to get the abalone so tender by perfectly cooking it, it is really easy to turn it into rubber. I didn't take any pictures, that's not my thing, but my wife snapped a shot of the sashimi plate with the fresh Awabi (abalone) and other fish caught around the islands by his friend that morning.

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It is a very small place and the counter faces the kitchen, so we can watch the chef as he works. Next to us a pair of women were well into their drink, one of them seemingly worked with the mama-san at another shop many years ago before they made their own restaurant. Mama-san was losing her patience, and got really pissed off when the lady referred to me as 'Gaijin-san' (Mr. Foreigner) which is not at all uncommon and typically used without malice. The master showed an uncharacteristic flash of a smirk as he made quick eye contact with me, as if to say "Don't bother" when I tried to diffuse the situation. The drunken ladies curiosity of why my wife chose to marry a "Gaijin" (which again triggered the Mama-san to exclaim slowly, fully enunciating each syllable, as if to a petulant and perhaps dim witted child, "Donna-san" (the polite form of husband) to the woman, who obviously continued her inquiries. The drunk lady suddenly brightened with recognition and gestured with a V shaped chopping motion of both hands towards her groin, "You operated on my ..." Mama-san shrieked, "Odamari!" (Shut up) as papa actually froze and let out a quiet chuckle, unable to suppress a smile as he once again continued his work. This stopped the lady too for just a moment, as she mid-sentence and white faced, slowly scanned her head around the small restaurant, seemingly realizing the inappropriate nature of what she was about to say, nonetheless continued her exclamation to the silent room as if unable to stop herself... My wife, although she didn't specifically remember this patient, certainly as an OB/GYN knew where she had likely treated the lady, and didn't really need the exact location conveyed.

This led to the other tables, who had been practicing the long standing Japanese tradition of polite intentional obliviousness, breaking out in full laughter. And as one does in a 'local place', we all just cheered each other with a raised glass, drank and enjoyed ourselves. We rounded out our meal with one of his specialties, deep fried Ashitaba leaf from the island. When I say deep fried though, it isn't what you would picture, his batter is like gossamer, incredibly light and crunchy, it melts in your mouth much like cotton candy does. The leaf itself is mild and complex, with subtle flavors of mint and celery. It is the perfect dish to finish on, and so this little slice of life over here will end as well.
 

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I am a sushi-holic. Sashimi too! It is my answer to the silly question, if you could only have one food for the rest of your life...

I laughed at "the quieter outskirts of Shibuya." I know there are 'quieter' neighborhoods in Tokyo; I've spent many hours on conference calls while wandering the streets of Taito at odd hours. And while it can be oddly still and quiet at 3am, the mass of humanity, even in a place like Tokyo where manners and cleanliness prevail, is overwhelming to me and 'quiet' is not at the top of the list of descriptors I'd employ.

Your story in the local place (izakaya?) is pure gold! The what-sounds-like very good tempura you describe is killing me! I've been to Tenichi Honten. Sublime in every sense. Some suggest it's not the best in town either. I imagine that's true given the sheer number of places only locals frequent.

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So a little change of subject, yesterday we received a surprise cooler from our friends that contained a dozen plump and quite live abalone, individually packed in ice chilled, oxygen filled bags of seawater. They regularly spoil us with food sent from their travels, a tradition of gift giving the country is well set up to support. Cheap and efficient overnight delivery is available from most resort area markets, so we are often getting fresh seafood or meats from them. Often the amount they send is extravagant, so I suggested that we bring some to one of our favorite local places to share with the master there, as it was too many for us to eat and he is excellent with seafood. Although I can cook, I stress out about wasting such treasures with my lack of skill, and it would have been a shame to freeze them. It may sound a little odd to bring your own ingredients to a restaurant, but over here if you have a close relationship with a place it isn't as uncouth as it sounds.

The shop is a family business, husband and wife, with their beautiful daughter helping out as she prepares to start university life. As I always have trouble with names, I often give our regular places nicknames which helps when I'm texting with my wife about where we should go (before Covid made me a hermit.) So we call this restaurant 'Island', mainly because the master is from the small islands about an hour or two by boat off the coast of Tokyo bay. As with every region of Japan, they have their own unique foods and traditions, obviously the sea being a big part of that culture.

We've been customers there from the first days of moving to this town 7 years ago, we're in the quieter outskirts of Shibuya, still close to the heart of Tokyo. I have to say that we've never had something that wasn't delicious from them, the food is outstanding and varied, and we always get 'Omakase' or the chef's choice of fresh seasonal sashimi, often with fish from the islands themselves. The mama-san is very lively and outgoing, she is quick to laugh and is in constant motion. The master is quiet and focused, working behind the counter methodically and with years of experience so no motion is wasted. The orders are called to him once, and he takes no notes and checks no slips, he just creates the delicious dishes in silence, never forgetting a single item.

One of the charming Japanese traditions is that regular customers often 'bottle keep' meaning you buy a bottle of alcohol (usually about 720ml) and they keep it on the shelf for you. I'm a big Shochu fan, and I typically keep a bottle of Buckwheat or purple Sweet Potato derived Shochu from the islands that I drink on the rocks. They bring us a nice ice set and my bottle when we arrive, my wife usually like to get the fresh unpasteurized draft beer (that due to deep distribution channels, heavy competition between breweries, and rapid daily delivery can be found in the farthest corners of Japan.) There is always a small dish of something seasonal, last night was steamed wild mustard greens and raw octopus in a mayonnaise sauce, one of my favorites.

With all the abalone on hand, he prepared it in 4 ways. Sashimi of course, but also steamed in sake, grilled in the shell with garlic butter, and lightly battered and fried. All of it was amazing, he managed to get the abalone so tender by perfectly cooking it, it is really easy to turn it into rubber. I didn't take any pictures, that's not my thing, but my wife snapped a shot of the sashimi plate with the fresh Awabi (abalone) and other fish caught around the islands by his friend that morning.

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It is a very small place and the counter faces the kitchen, so we can watch the chef as he works. Next to us a pair of women were well into their drink, one of them seemingly worked with the mama-san at another shop many years ago before they made their own restaurant. Mama-san was losing her patience, and got really pissed off when the lady referred to me as 'Gaijin-san' (Mr. Foreigner) which is not at all uncommon and typically used without malice. The master showed an uncharacteristic flash of a smirk as he made quick eye contact with me, as if to say "Don't bother" when I tried to diffuse the situation. The drunken ladies curiosity of why my wife chose to marry a "Gaijin" (which again triggered the Mama-san to exclaim slowly, fully enunciating each syllable, as if to a petulant and perhaps dim witted child, "Donna-san" (the polite form of husband) to the woman, who obviously continued her inquiries. The drunk lady suddenly brightened with recognition and gestured with a V shaped chopping motion of both hands towards her groin, "You operated on my ..." Mama-san shrieked, "Odamari!" (Shut up) as papa actually froze and let out a quiet chuckle, unable to suppress a smile as he once again continued his work. This stopped the lady too for just a moment, as she mid-sentence and white faced, slowly scanned her head around the small restaurant, seemingly realizing the inappropriate nature of what she was about to say, nonetheless continued her exclamation to the silent room as if unable to stop herself... My wife, although she didn't specifically remember this patient, certainly as an OB/GYN knew where she had likely treated the lady, and didn't really need the exact location conveyed.

This led to the other tables, who had been practicing the long standing Japanese tradition of polite intentional obliviousness, breaking out in full laughter. And as one does in a 'local place', we all just cheered each other with a raised glass, drank and enjoyed ourselves. We rounded out our meal with one of his specialties, deep fried Ashitaba leaf from the island. When I say deep fried though, it isn't what you would picture, his batter is like gossamer, incredibly light and crunchy, it melts in your mouth much like cotton candy does. The leaf itself is mild and complex, with subtle flavors of mint and celery. It is the perfect dish to finish on, and so this little slice of life over here will end as well.
Great story!
I have similar experiences. However, I am not recognized Giajin but my girlfriend was. She was blonde and blue eyed. Her Japanese was very good. Upon my arrival, my ears had not become accustomed to the language. I would let her speak for me. She usually did in English as well. So why rock the boat?
One evening, we were at dinner and were being treated like royalty. When our other friend's showed up. One of them told me that the restaurant owner thought I was wealthy or a criminal. Because I had a non-Japanese woman taking care of me.
 
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I laughed at "the quieter outskirts of Shibuya."
[relatively] quieter. If I just said Shibuya it would set the wrong mental image with anyone familiar. Tokyo is a such an odd conglomeration, its character changing indescribably from street to street, with every little neighborhood holding fast to what makes them unique. Every year the local children, dressed in their little traditional Yukata carry a small neighborhood shrine past my house, accompanied by a giant drum carried on a cart pounding out a slow pace. We all come out and cheer them on and give them treats. At night you can sometimes hear the ringing wooden clack, clack of the volunteer firewatchers hyōshigi, maintaining an ancient tradition of reminding people to keep their (nonexistent) fires safe. Japan is really like nowhere else.
One evening, we were at dinner and were being treated like royalty. When our other friend's showed up. One of them told me that the restaurant owner thought I was wealthy or a criminal. Because I had a non-Japanese woman taking care of me.
Yeah, you probably would have gotten a curious look from me as well :) You need to have some Japanese friends come in after you and spread rumors that you are a rockstar or something. :p
 
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Yeah, you probably would have gotten a curious look from me as well :) You need to have some Japanese friends come in after you and spread rumors that you are a rockstar or something.
The movie Brother was out at that time.
I have a slight resemblance to Masaya Kato. And my hair was cut in the same style at the time. Maybe that was it...:ROFLMAO:
 

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Mr Baka … I have enjoyed your story especially the part about installing the bath unit, although it has become a bit technical for me recently. Anyway, if you don’t mind a thread drift ... do you know anything about woodworking tools, specifically hand planes. Kanna, I think is one style. I have wanting to buy one for a while, but I know nothing about them, particularly which brands are worth having.
 
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Mr Baka … I have enjoyed your story especially the part about installing the bath unit, although it has become a bit technical for me recently. Anyway, if you don’t mind a thread drift ... do you know anything about woodworking tools, specifically hand planes. Kanna, I think is one style. I have wanting to buy one for a while, but I know nothing about them, particularly which brands are worth having.

I haven't delved into Japanese hand planes for a couple of reasons. The first is that they are very intimidating as far as setup and maintenance. Having a wooden body and doing all the alignment and fitting by carving the body itself and hammering the blade are red flags to me of a steep learning curve and lots of potential pitfalls. There are really some very advanced techniques required to really set things up, including the sharpening process where you may be required to peen the back side of the cutting edge to flatten out the hollow grinding used and other arcana. I think they are beautiful, and properly set up and sharpened they seem to be world class, but a western plane with a cast body, threaded adjustments and a perfectly flat machined blade all appeal to my sense of practicality and help reduce the anxiety of making adjustments.

The second reason is that if I was going to go with Japanese planes, there are so many different manufacturers and types of (laminated) steel used that it is a bit of overload as to what is 'best' (something I personally tend to obsess over.) Like Japanese knives, chisels and saws, Japanese plane manufacture is highly specialized with very little overlap between the fields, so it is unlikely you will have chisels and planes from the same maker, they keep to their lanes. That means knowledge gained identifying the best makers in one field isn't very useful in any of the others. Even the bodies (which as wood need replacing well before a well made blade has served its time) tend to be treated as a separate craft, and have their own subset of complexity, material choice and tuning. On the local auction sites it is most common to see just the blades for sale, with wild variations in price. I know if I ever get interested I will have to deep dive in researching the subject to exhaustion, and the appeal of using a Japanese plane just isn't there for me to do so.

Lastly, like Japanese saws they work backwards, with a pulling motion. With saws that actually makes sense and provides the benefit of much thinner blades, but to me if you are planing a long board it makes more sense to walk forward where you can see where you are stepping than it is to move backwards. My workspace is very constrained, and I've always got stuff on the floor that can be tripped over, moving backwards seems sub-optimal.

All of this opinion is based on zero actual experience though, I've never actually used one. They may be far easier and better than I imagine. I suppose I didn't want to have my mind changed after investing in a gaggle of Veritas western style planes :) It certainly seems like a fascinating thing to investigate and gain knowledge about, a worthy pursuit for the manually inclined. I'm just a sort of person that has little natural talent and have succeeded by augmenting my lack of dexterity with lots of technology and mechanical constraints.
 

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Appreciate the response. I could offer a sarcastic remark, but i won’t. Ok, I will anyway. I asked what the time is, not how to build a watch.

Seriously … everything you say is correct. They are polar opposites of western planes with stanley/bailey-style adjusters and flat steel soles. It’s not my intent to pay hundreds if dollars for a japanese plane, especially not my first one. I want to get a basic one, but not junk, and experiment with it. Quite likely my heirs will find it in my tool drawer with no noticeable wear, but they will marvel that the old guy must have been a master … look at what we found. I have seen them advertised for $100 and $1,000 and beyond. I will probably spend a c-note and satisfy my curiosity.
 
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I asked what the time is, not how to build a watch.
When you see a grown man in a full train engineers uniform, at a train museum, on train appreciation day, humming the tune to "Crazy Train", don't be surprised when he is long winded on the subject of trains... :) Just be thankful you didn't ask about something I'm really enthusiastic about.

In all seriousness, I try to be an advocate of the better things from over here, and so Japanese planes is a topic that I find challenging for the reasons above. I worry I haven't given them a fair shake, but just looking at them critically I suspect I'm right about their practicality for a dabbler like me.

Quite likely my heirs will find it in my tool drawer with no noticeable wear, but they will marvel that the old guy must have been a master …

I think you overestimate the average person's ability to identify even the most basic tools, let alone something as unusual as a Japanese wood plane, and it isn't getting any better as time goes by. Even over here it is common for me to see Bonito shavers (used to make thin slices of dried fish for cooking) being sold as wood planes, most people don't have knowledge about this stuff anymore. I was in a bar the other night and no one there had any idea what a router was, or what it was used for. I was showing them pictures, and they only knew it was some kind of "professional machine", they really had no clue what it was used for.
 

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I was in a bar the other night and no one there had any idea what a router was, or what it was used for. I was showing them pictures, and they only knew it was some kind of "professional machine", they really had no clue what it was used for.
Back in the 90's. I was working in Tokyo on a construction project. I asked a carpenter to cut a hole in the wall to fit a control box. I handed him my cordless Makita circular saw. I watched him as he attempted to cut the hole. He freaked out and quickly returned with the saw. Wiped it clean and placed it back in my job box and left. A few minutes later he came back with a pull saw and cut the hole perfectly.

I was raised on Japanese tools. To me, pull saws are so much easier to use than push saws. Setting a Kanna is second nature but I have used them for decades. That doesn't mean that I don't have a full selection of Stanley planes. I use those as well.

Have you gone to Minka En?


It's wonderful place to see the tools and construction of old Japanese homes.
 
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Have you gone to Minka En?
No, it's right up my alley though, I'll put that on my list. The only downside of a hard working wife is we never have time to do more low key local travel like that anymore. I get excited if she can free up time to do a Costco run with me these days. I really need to drag her to the Mitutoyo museum as well...
 

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No, it's right up my alley though, I'll put that on my list. The only downside of a hard working wife is we never have time to do more low key local travel like that anymore. I get excited if she can free up time to do a Costco run with me these days. I really need to drag her to the Mitutoyo museum as well...
Let her know about the traditional Soba restaurant. It's wonderful.

Both my girlfriend and I were also very hardworking. There are so many things that we missed out on when I was living there.
Costco... I remember the first one opened when we were just moving back to the states. We went to look and wondered where we would store all of the it in our house.
 
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I've mentioned Japan's novel furusato "Hometown Tax" redirection system before, this year in addition to my large quantities of Kirishima Shochu I got this KTC Nepros ratchet.

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When I started building up my toolset I wanted to kind of stick with one brand of domestic tools, and although there are a number of great choices (Ko-ken, Tone, TOP Kogyo and others) it was a pretty easy choice to go with the standard line of KTC. As a tool nerd it was hard to resist their premium Nepros line, but I suspected knew that I would be afraid to actually use my tools if they were too nice. I often end up with multiples so that I have a 'pristine' version of something (emoji of finger circling one's temple.) And for the most part the Nepros line is just highly finished versions of the standard tools (which are already really nice.) But, they do throw a little extra technology at the Nepros ratchets, giving them a much higher tooth count on the ratchet pawl system. That's the 90 that they are emphasizing there, the standard tools use a 36 tooth gear, which governs how far (and to some extent how much friction is required) you must rotate the handle per click of engagement. In really tight spaces it can make a slight difference, although not enough in my application to justify the cost difference. But when it is essentially free... yes please!

These Nepros ratchets are released in special limited editions as well, with exotic hardwood or leather handles, 'diamond like' hard colored finishes, black or gold plating and even collections of fine traditional lacquerware that are a tool fetishists dream. As I've gone deeper into the craftsman rabbit hole it is clear that a significant subset really likes to have some pretty unique customization to their daily tools. In addition to JDM only special editions from the manufacturers, there is a large aftermarket of customizers serving them as well. These people, for example, make and sell replacement cases for common Makita tools here, where you can have virtually any color and pattern applied to OEM parts. There are titanium scaffold wrenches that cost hundreds of dollars and a plethora of wicked looking, mecha inspired rebar wiring tools with matching holsters. Tool belts, and the modular attachments to them are also available in exotic metals, finishes and leathers. Maybe the same is true over in the states, and I was just never in the business enough to know about it, but I suspect this is something unique and possibly interesting enough to share.
 
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Bakafish,
It's interesting you point out the collecting side of things in Japan. How much of a market is there? In your previous posts, you give the impression that most people in Japan don't do what you do as a "hobby", i.e. they leave the DIY stuff to the "PRO". So my question is, who is the market for these type of tools? I can't imagine it's a large market like Anime. My kids (now 25 & 29) buy figurines all the time, even directly from Japan. I understand that Anime is crazy in Japan....tools?
 
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So my question is, who is the market for these type of tools?
It is most certainly limited to professionals. I'm the ultimate amateur over here, and even I didn't spend my own money on the plain model 🤑 Like many things, these Nepros tools are more expensive (through normal channels) here than they are overseas, and the limited editions of this tool are up to $5000 each. The current collectors set is about $25,000 and is made to order. Japanese take their professions seriously, I can imagine these tools are an expression of pride in what they do. It is very unlikely that they will ever see the harsh lights or oily air of a garage, they are the sort of thing that only a small number of people would recognize or appreciate. Something a successful mechanic might pull out to show a like minded craftsman over drinks at his house. As much as I would love to have one of these beautiful lacquer works of art, I have no business having one. I hope someday an acquaintance, with a sheepish smile, pulls a small wooden box out of some hidden niche and shows me such a treasure.
 
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I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread... while the DIY efforts are very interesting and to be commended, what I find even more intriguing is the social commentary and cultural differences explained within.

I haven't yet traveled to Japan, perhaps someday I will....

I would love to order "omakase" at a good sushi place. Two concerns tho... will I be over my head pricewise (I guess choosing the right restaurant would limit this) or would I get something that would not suit my taste? I am moderately adventurous, but some things just don't agree with me.
 
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I can get a gold ratchet at Harbor Freight...
I've never been a big fan of gold colored stuff. The interesting point KTC made about why they are using that finish is that unlike silver colored tools, the gold ones are far less likely to blend in with the vehicles engine components and be inadvertently left behind. Having benefited from more than one 'bonus' wrench from the dealership after a service, I can understand how that can be a real problem. Gold still looks pretty gaudy though.

Seriously, the one you posted is a wonderful looking tool!

Did you follow the links I added for those Lacquered ones? They are so beautiful.

I would love to order "omakase" at a good sushi place. Two concerns tho... will I be over my head pricewise (I guess choosing the right restaurant would limit this) or would I get something that would not suit my taste? I am moderately adventurous, but some things just don't agree with me.

While the image of Sushi is as an exotic and expensive dish, most Sushi restaurants in Japan are fairly humble and moderately priced. Sushi is a special occasion dish for Japanese, but it is enjoyed by the hoi polloi, there is a whole segment of really low cost chain restaurants across Japan. Every once in awhile there is a scandal of some shop selling cheaper fish as more expensive ones, or using cleverly synthesized ingredients to cut costs. And just to be informative, the most expensive places do not typically even allow you to order, they server a fixed price, daily set menu based on what fish they chose at the market that morning. The Omakase is baked in.

Ideally Omakase is a relationship, the chef wants you to enjoy their food, they are going to be careful in what they give you as they learn your tastes. The challenge of the 'new', stepping out of your comfort zone to discover something you never would have otherwise known is kind of the point. I think worrying about the cost and fear of getting something you don't like are going to negatively bias the experience.

You're going to have to use some common sense about it, especially if you are talking about Sushi places outside of Japan. I think I mentioned some rules of thumb about how to quickly establish the quality of a new place, but caution is called for when such sensitive preparation is involved.
 

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Ideally Omakase is a relationship, the chef wants you to enjoy their food, they are going to be careful in what they give you as they learn your tastes. The challenge of the 'new', stepping out of your comfort zone to discover something you never would have otherwise known is kind of the point. I think worrying about the cost and fear of getting something you don't like are going to negatively bias the experience.

You're going to have to use some common sense about it, especially if you are talking about Sushi places outside of Japan. I think I mentioned some rules of thumb about how to quickly establish the quality of a new place, but caution is called for when such sensitive preparation is involved.
I mentioned my concerns to my wife at some point, and she dismissed it saying the sort of things I dislike are not likely to actually be served in a Japanese sushi place. Keep in mind, my entire experience in the matter comes from American sushi restaurants, aside from watching a documentary about sushi that centered around a guy going to a small place in Japan and ordering omakase and the narration describing each item that was presented. It did make me hungry, watching that.

My concern over cost was spurred by an article I once read where a guy went to a NYC sushi place that did not have prices on the menu and ended up with a $1200 bill for lunch. I don't mind a splurge for a special meal but that kind of price would be hard to swallow.
 
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My concern over cost was spurred by an article I once read where a guy went to a NYC sushi place that did not have prices on the menu and ended up with a $1200 bill for lunch.
That sounds like an edge case, and less to do with Sushi than it does with any exclusive restaurant. Anyone who orders off of a menu with no prices and then complains about the bill is not going to get a lot of sympathy from me. But my advice to you is that you can't live your life based on fear of extremes and outliers. Humans aren't great at risk assesment, and this example doesn't seem like it is anywhere along the range of foreseeable experiences. Even if you have other commitments (children or keeping a roof over your head) the opportunity to enjoy good food or drink is worth splurging a bit on every once in a while, life is short and there are few pleasures as pure as good food.

It is impossible for me to say what might be expensive for you, but I can easily say the best Sushi I've had was never the most expensive, and may have even been some of the cheapest. A good restaurant is based on the quality of the ingredients and the love and skill of the preparation, the environment and atmosphere also contributes a lot, and that doesn't always correlate with cost. The best chefs want to give people enjoyment, and many small businesses in Japan are run by older folks that have long paid off their mortgages, have other sources of income and are happy to break even in order to share their food with their customers. Regulars are treated as friends, or even family. I don't know your part of the world at all, I don't know if you will ever find what I'm describing there, but I can't think of a time in recent memory that I've paid more than $100/ea for food and drinks and it is almost always well below that. The cost is not something that ever enters my mind to be frank...

It feels like you could benefit from researching the subject a bit more, and finding out what options are available in your neck of the woods. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that some exchange student fell in love with your area and opened a great Sushi place, and would love a customer who was informed and interested in the more traditional styles and methods. Or save up and bring our wife to visit Japan. It is an awesome place to travel in, completely safe with everything accessible by clean, fast and efficient railways.

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2019, I was in Tokyo staying in Azabu Juban. We went into a small Sushi resturant. There was no menu. The chef asked what we would like. My reply was "Omekasi, Onigashiimasu" Best sushi we have ever had. It was about $200 each person.
That really isn't that outlandish for what we had.
I've also ate at sushi bars that cost no more than $40 and it was really good.
I will admit that I don't worry to much about the cost. I am there to experience and enjoy. It does help that I grew up in the culture.
I am hoping to return to Japan soon.
 

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an article I once read where a guy went to a NYC sushi place that did not have prices on the menu and ended up with a $1200 bill for lunch.
I see two things in that comment: NYC, and a restaurant trying to get a reputation as “it must be good because the price is outrageous”.
 

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A hundred or so per head for a special occasion would not be too much. So I guess my fears may be revealing my lack of knowledge of Japanese sushi. Thanks for the input. I suppose I should try a bit harder to find something good locally.

Perhaps that will do until we take a trip to Japan (we have a few other trips lined up in the queue before that). I do want to ride a Shinkansen (I am a bit of a train nerd).
 

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I've been away from your thread for a while, and I'm glad to see you're still at it.
My perception is you're really embracing the Japanese ideal of quality.
Some make the "best" plane.
Some make the "best" watch.
You make the "best" budget CNC!
Thank you for bringing us along on your journeys!
 
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