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. I work a lot on my boat and use Starboard quite often. I have all of the woodworking stuff to include 18" bandsaw, 15" planer, tablesaw, 3 Shopsmith machines, another bandsaw, and other assorted stuff to play with. I researched how to bond Starboard (HDPE) quite intensely myself as well and found that 3M makes a specialized adhesive expressly for use with plastics and HDPE was one of the main goals of this adhesive. It is called 3M Scotch-Weld Structural Plastic Adhesive DP-8005 and comes in two colors translucent and black. From what I have read it is very strong and works wonders on HDPE but it isn't cheap and you have to buy a special applicator gun which mixes the two part adhesive in a special nozzle. If you Google 3M Scotch Weld DP8005 you will find plenty of hits. I would give it a go on your tray joining project and I bet the separation issue will be solved. Much easier than trying to weld the stuff which is probably the best way to join two pieces of HDPE or any plastic for that matter but the tooling to weld plastic is quite expensive as I also researched that as well.

No, I bow down to you. This is what I've been looking for and figured had to be out there. I just didn't know any boat guys until now. I'll figure out how to convince my wife she needs some of this for scrap booking and get it ordered. :)
 
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No, I bow down to you. This is what I've been looking for and figured had to be out there. I just didn't know any boat guys until now. I'll figure out how to convince my wife she needs some of this for scrap booking and get it ordered. :)

Well I am glad I could be of some small help always good to be able to give back on occasion.
 
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Just finished reading all 16 pages and my head is spinning. Thank you lilscorpion for sharing your ideas and skills. I joined GJ specifically to get ideas on organizing my garage (read: hanging the bicycle) and building a workbench (read: building something I can hammer on instead of the kitchen table) but this thread has captivated me. So many great ideas and so many knowledgeable folks on this board. I'm starting to look into buying tools to build cool stuff I never knew I needed. :bounce:

Thank you for the compliments. GJ is truly a special BB with a wealth of information. Remember to share up your projects as you go. I quite often lean something almost every day. Which tools to avoid or must haves, interesting organization ideas, tips and tricks, etc. this is why I come back daily.
 

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Oh my god... I made it to the end? I just read this entire thread (took the better part of a couple days at work all together, good thing I'm leaving this job soon! :p )

Another tip of the hat to you, sir! I'm 25, bought my first house (read: first garage) last year, and have recently started gutting it for new wiring, insulation, heating, etc. and have been contemplating for months different layouts and organizational strategies (what lathe I wind up buying will change things a lot too) and this thread has been an incredible help! I'm now planning on French Cleats above my work-bench/welding-table and as a surround on my motorcycle work-bench.

If I ever have way more time on my hands then I do now I'd love to knock out some drawer trays like that too, wow do they ever look better than anything on the market. Seems to me that black on green throughout the shop would be the cat's ***. Can't wait to see what's next, have a good one!
 

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*clap clap clap*

I'm in utter amazement of the quality of both your projects and the way in which you presented them here. Looking forward to seeing much more from you in the future.

Now to try to reclaim the 2 hours of sleep I lost reading this thread in its entirety. Simply couldn't stop reading...
 

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stopped at the plastic shot to pick up more 1" hdpe for a project and grabbed this scrap too. need to find a good use :D
its white blue white.
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Lilscorpion,
Did you get any of the 3M HDPE gule yet? If so how did it work with your project?
 

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Bst thread ever,read every bit.
Keep the projects coming,your very inspiring.

Have your thought of simply spraying a bit of acetone and clamping together a bit? Acetone will generally melt plastics,though you probrably wouldn't get the fine edge where it joins and i'm not sure if it would stick by doing that either.
 
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Lilscorpion,
Did you get any of the 3M HDPE gule yet? If so how did it work with your project?

I was going to but about the time I was building p the courage to spen $100+ on the setup, I shifted my focus on the '74 Chevy K20 project that I've got to get done so I can pick up materials to keep working on my shop. I'll re-visit the idea when I get back to organization. The organization I've done thus far has made working in the shop much more enjoyable though and I keep coming up with new ways I can organize.

I was looking at epoxies for construction and noticed that West Systems offers a plastic boat repair kit that the online instructions say is good for HDPE. Wondering if anyone has any experience with it.

West Systems 655-K Repair Kit available at West Marine

This is what I figured existed when I was looking but couldn't find it. Seems that most marine fab with HDPE uses some type of fastener. Wonder if this repair is filler or structural repair (like welding)?

Bst thread ever,read every bit.
Keep the projects coming,your very inspiring.

Have your thought of simply spraying a bit of acetone and clamping together a bit? Acetone will generally melt plastics,though you probrably wouldn't get the fine edge where it joins and i'm not sure if it would stick by doing that either.

Thanks, I plan to continue to document when I get back to it.

Another GJ member PM'd me and suggested trying Acetone or MEK too. I haven't tried it but really like the idea because I have plenty of it and it would be super easy on larger pieces. I'll try this first. It certainly would be cheaper than the 3M solution.
 

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have you looked into this product before?

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looks rather inexpensive and might be worth a shot on a trial piece

I work in an autobody shop and we buy a lot of 3M glues and was told that Automix 5887 and promoter 5907 would be best for that purpose...I will ask about pricing


As to this thread, I have never in my life been more captivated with a forum post than I am with this one. I could not pull myself away from reading every single word. This has to be one of the most thoroughly written and documented posts I have ever seen. I am in amazement of the attention to detail and overall quality of your work. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
You sir inspire me to do more and be better. I applaud you.

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This is a concept of something I was thinking about when reading about welding 2 pieces of HDPE together. The idea is to create a clamping fixture that would lay flat with a heating element over the pieces that would be removed after the top surface of the HDPE would hit the correct temp. Using a heating element from a space heater would probably work out really well to "broil" the top surfaces of the pieces. Once at the proper temp/melt then the heating element would be removed and the two clamping sides would be rotated up to a clamping position to bond the 2 together. using some woodworking clamps. Depending on how long the max pieces would be, the fixture would need to be increased in length to accommodate. This could easily be made for little money with some junkyard/garage sale parts and a bit of machining.
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also after thinking about it, there should be some spacing screws on the top surfaces of the stops to adjust to "crush", spaced across the length. this will allow to "crush" the two pieces together without too much "mush out".
 

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I was going to but about the time I was building p the courage to spen $100+ on the setup, I shifted my focus on the '74 Chevy K20 project that I've got to get done so I can pick up materials to keep working on my shop. I'll re-visit the idea when I get back to organization. The organization I've done thus far has made working in the shop much more enjoyable though and I keep coming up with new ways I can organize.



This is what I figured existed when I was looking but couldn't find it. Seems that most marine fab with HDPE uses some type of fastener. Wonder if this repair is filler or structural repair (like welding)?


Thanks, I plan to continue to document when I get back to it.

Another GJ member PM'd me and suggested trying Acetone or MEK too. I haven't tried it but really like the idea because I have plenty of it and it would be super easy on larger pieces. I'll try this first. It certainly would be cheaper than the 3M solution.

HDPE is considered a "self lubricating" material, if you coat it in acetone and it melts, the problem will arise that the 2 surfaces will not dry out enough to bond together, you might get a temporary bond but most likely something that won't last very long. Try it on some scrap pieces, you will most likely find that they break apart.
 
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This is a concept of something I was thinking about when reading about welding 2 pieces of HDPE together. The idea is to create a clamping fixture that would lay flat with a heating element over the pieces that would be removed after the top surface of the HDPE would hit the correct temp. Using a heating element from a space heater would probably work out really well to "broil" the top surfaces of the pieces. Once at the proper temp/melt then the heating element would be removed and the two clamping sides would be rotated up to a clamping position to bond the 2 together. using some woodworking clamps. Depending on how long the max pieces would be, the fixture would need to be increased in length to accommodate. This could easily be made for little money with some junkyard/garage sale parts and a bit of machining.
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That would certainly work and well. Even clamping pressure would be easily accomplished. I had some ideas but yours is way less complicated and would work much better and be easier to build. The only problem would be scaling. Guess it would have to be made big enough the first time. Not a big deal. Great idea!
 
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HDPE is considered a "self lubricating" material, if you coat it in acetone and it melts, the problem will arise that the 2 surfaces will not dry out enough to bond together, you might get a temporary bond but most likely something that won't last very long. Try it on some scrap pieces, you will most likely find that they break apart.

So far, all bonding methods have failed that way. If I ever get back to organizing (truck project seems to keep on keeping on but I am seriously enjoying being able to find my tools easily), I'll attempt a few of these ideas. Probably move to the 3m or boat stuff quick though if I don't find a silver bullet quick...I really like your clamping idea, it's got me thinking.
 

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This is a concept of something I was thinking about when reading about welding 2 pieces of HDPE together. The idea is to create a clamping fixture that would lay flat with a heating element over the pieces that would be removed after the top surface of the HDPE would hit the correct temp. Using a heating element from a space heater would probably work out really well to "broil" the top surfaces of the pieces. Once at the proper temp/melt then the heating element would be removed and the two clamping sides would be rotated up to a clamping position to bond the 2 together. using some woodworking clamps. Depending on how long the max pieces would be, the fixture would need to be increased in length to accommodate. This could easily be made for little money with some junkyard/garage sale parts and a bit of machining.
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I actually don't think that you can get it melted together in that manner and have any consistency to it. It's going to be melting on the outside edge, but won't have depth. If you want to stick a bouple of pieces together so you would have a longer length, use some sort or parent material underneath that is the length you need and fasten the HDPE to it. Or use some dowel pins and some automotive structural adhesive to bond the pieces together.
 
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It's been quite some time since I worked on the shop. Life is just ripping by. My oldest son is playing competitive Lacrosse and Football and the spring, summer, and fall is jam packed with tournaments, practices, and regular season games. I hardly find the time to make it into the shop let alone get anything done.

Since we're starting to wrap up the hot months I figured I'd better get some poly on the cabinets that are already almost 2 years old or another year will pass. Thankfully the dryness of Colorado has been good to me. Not a single door or panel has warped (not moved at all). Disassembly *****. It seems so counter productive. I can stack the doors since the centers are melamine and don't need a coating.

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These are the big pull out cabinets. Two coats. First one seals. Then I knock down the grain that stands up with a quick pass on the DA loaded with 220. Second coat builds up so that the surface feels an looks smooth with a nice even sheen. Hard part is finding the space to let them dry.

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I like the amber hint of poly. Nice contrast in the shop.

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I wanted get back to the fabrication parts, like show everyone how the doors are made but I'm stuck in finishing hell. 28 doors, three coats per side (obviously 2 sides per door...lol), usually only one coat per day gets me spraying for a week and I'm now 2 days in. After the finish coat it's a quick scratch with 200 and the re-coat then they just sit...

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Really can't do much in the garage while they're drying. I've tried in the past and **** always gets in the finish. Though it really slows me down, the finish quality is worth it. I had to give the third pull out shelf another coat but two of them are back home and the slides adjusted so they're smooth again. Taking a step back it's nice to see it come together. Shoulda coated them a long time ago.

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I gotta mention, I thought I'd be able to save some time by applying the sealer coat using a brush but it turns out that I was dead wrong. It takes me less than a couple minutes to spray a door and many more to do it by hand. Regardless, each time I pull the trigger I wish I had a paint booth but who doesn't.
 

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... Regardless, each time I pull the trigger I wish I had a paint booth but who doesn't.

Looks good...

When I do smaller stuff I usually put a couple of box fans under the garage door and put a furnace filter up next to it. It draws the air OUT of the garage and actually pulls a lot of the particulate matter out of the air at the same time. You don't even have to attach the furnace filter. The movement of the air will hold it in place until you turn the fan off.
 
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More progress, still feels slow. Got the thin cabinets next to the truck done. Managed to nearly screw everything up Saturday though. When I was checking the dryness a couple hours after a spray session i inadvertently tipped over the entire table everything was drying on (its one of those Jaw Horses that only has red legs). I had the weight evenly distributed however decided, in my infinite wisdoms, to move a piece that was dry totally altering the balance causing everything to topple. While picking up the mess I found that nearly every door had gone unscathed. I couldn't believe it. I had to fix one side of only three doors (out of 18). Pretty good considering.

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Close to being complete with the pull out shelving over the lathe. All of the pull out shelving is done with only the last two slide out tooling cabinets left.

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Here's those two pull outs almost done (ones the circular saw cabinet and the other is the R8 tool holder rack). The tops and bottoms need a final coat. I could almost get away without since none will be able to see them but I'll know and that's almost worse.

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I stripped the doors off of the main shelves over the workbench except for the one on the left with the white center panel which I have to remake. It was the first and, when I made it, I was thinking of having all of the doors have white center panels. Didn't like the look (though I agree they'd look much cleaner).

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Unfortunately these doors needed to be assembled before I could spray them which slowed me down. Funny though, Their dry fit (no glue & no staples) was so tight I used them for more than 2 years and they never even moved.

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The two thin boards are the last two doors I fabricated and belong on the second thin cabinet I use for my paint supplies. You can just see it on the end to the right before the garage door.

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Heres that same cabinet up close(r). the first three shelves belong to the tall thin doors. the last two don't have doors yet and are the last two doors left to be completely done with the cabinets. So close..

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So if if the weather cooperates and I can manage about 5 short spray sessions this week, I should be done by next weekend (except those last two doors which I may tackle next Friday).
 
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I'm starting to see the end in sight and the weather turned. My 90 something extremely dry days are now lower 80's and fairly humid and the climate change is heavily impacting how the poly flows out of the gun. So far I've done all of my shooting with a gun I got many years ago from Northern tool after using a friend's.

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The Mark 1 has been good to me so I figured I'd try to find a larger needle for it...laughable. The guns are so cheap you have to buy a whole gun. Northern no longer sells the Mark 1 but instead sells a similar looking brand names Vaper (aka Titan). I shopped all around and spent nearly a week trying to decide if I wanted to upgrade to a nicer gun (better brand...bling). After much deliberation I decided that it didn't make sense spending any more than I needed since spraying isn't an extremely common occurrence for me. So I ordered up the next needle size - a 1.8 (previously I had a 1.5) and it just arrived today.

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Unboxed it's nearly the same gun. Sits in my hand about the same with the same trigger feel (glad about that, I have another gun that's stiff and makes the hand tired on longer spray sessions). I loaded it up, scuffed the pile of doors, and pulled the trigger. The slightly larger needle made a huge difference. I'm guessing the needle I've been using all this time was slightly undersized because previously I'd have to make three medium speed passes to get a nice deep wet coat. With this new gun I'd make 2 fast(ER) passes to get a slightly wetter coat. Not to the point where I'd get a run but just perfectly before then.

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It took me much less time to spray the remaining doors. I also noticed more of what came out of the gun was liquid (less airborne mist) which resulted in less waste. It was a nice change. A 30 minute session was reduced to less than 10. The time savings alone was worth the $40 the gun cost.

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I might also note that at the same time I ordered a TCP global regulator from Amazon. It's rated at 180 PSI however it's really not a regulator, it acts more like a reducer. If to want 20 psi the input pressure can't be more than 85 or so. At 150 the lowest it can go is 40 then it shuts off. Anyway, on the chance you're looking, keep looking. This one gets to be a spare I guess.

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I have 3 doors let to build and I'm done. Getting close.
 
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A this is for a request from about a year ago (memory doesn't serve, just a guess) to show how I make what i referred to as quick cabinet doors out if plywood. I have four doors left to make and I'm DONE. Instead of doing what I really want to do this weekend I've decided that being finished is much better. The next door I need to make is actually a facade (false front) for one of my slide out cabinets (the last one all the way at the end). The door is exactly like a door I'll make that opens but this one will mount to the slide out

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A question that has been asked a few times is what kind of plywood. Here's a shot of the plys. High grade cabinet ply has many more layers and is much more consistent (thickness-wise) than the plywood called "cabinet grade" you'll find at big boxes like Lowes or Home Depot. I use 3/4-inch Baltic Birch for my doors.

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I use a simple design which incorporates two vertical boards (called rails) and two spreaders (called styles). The rails are cut to the length of the door and the styles are cut 1-inch wider than how far apart I want the rails to be.

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To make a door look better, try to get all of the components to have the grain going the same direction. On my doors and cabinets I've chosen to run the grain up and down though at times, what I was feeling cheap, I compromised and I'd do whatever worked out of the end of a sheet (so not all doors in the shop are perfect). Rip and cut to the calculated dimensions.

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Then cut up the styles...

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And I always cut a few extra styles and I'll show you why in a moment.

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Here's a simple example of a door assembly and does a good job illustrating how I'm gonna do it.

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The rail gets a groove and the styles get both a tongue and a groove.

Styles first. First step is to make 1/4-inch deep cuts 1/2-inch in on both ends of each Style. Should look like this.

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Then set the fence on the table saw to 1/2-inch (if your fence is dialed in this is super easy) and the blade height 1/2-inch.

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Run the styles on end along the fence on all four sides.

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This will leave the styles with a finished tongue on either end.

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Now measure. Your tongue needs to be slightly over 1/4-inch wide (the target width of the center panel). Pretty good for the first swipe.

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Now all I we have left is the groove. Set the fence at 1/4-inch and run one side of each style along the fence.

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Rotate and then the other face (same edge of the style). This will relieve the center of the wood.

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Then run on side of each Rail. Once done, the machine work is nearly done. Almost always I'll need to move the fence out 1/8th more to nip the middle.

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Then a little test fit is in order. Occasionally the tongue needs a little sanding. If the tongue is loose, it'll get remade so its tight. It can't be too tight though or it will blow out the plys in the rails.

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The figment of these pieces were fairly good and only a touch with the sandpaper was needed to get it together. Not a whole lot of work and we're close.

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Fancy doors have fancy center panels. These simple shop doors need to have simple panels. I used 1/4-inch black double sided melamine. Note: watch the cut edge. A saw cut edge is as sharp as laminate and will slice you.

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I measure the inside of the door and add 3/4-inches to the length and width so the enter panel will fit in the groove of the rails and styles with a fraction of clearance. Two cuts and reassembly. If the groove was slightly over 1/4-inch wide, everything should go back together easily.

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The fun part is now done, from here it's all finish work. Disassemble, glue, reassemble, and clamp.

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While they're in the clamps I throw some 1/2-inch narrow crown staples on the inside where they'll go through the tongue and the groove. This will add a little strength and allow me to pull the door out of the clamps a little early if I'm hurrying.

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And the test fit. Looks like it needs some poly.

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Thanks for the tutorial. What is next on the organization list?

Ive always had a problem with bench top accessories/machines like my pedestal grinder and router table. Some have used receiver style multi-mounts to allow switching between without permanent-mounting them. What's want is to have a multi-mount setup that allows me to use (or not use) a vacuum connection to my dust collector. While I was playing with the french cleats I had this idea for making removable workbench extensions/add-ons that would allow me to do what I want. I've been toying with it here and there and am close to going for it.

I also have a few drawers and other items that I need to build organizers for. My "paint" drawer hat has all of my airbrush and HVLP stuff, some circular saw blade organizers, a cabinet for yard ****, and a few others. Then I'll get back to the tooling chests (milling and lathe accessories).

Oh and the Modine heater install is coming up even if I have to pay someone (not my style though).

Maybe a few other things rolling around in the back of my head waiting for a creative day. The organization process within the shop began when we moved in and lately I've been using the shop more than working on it. Most of the recent additions/changes have been made out of necessity and thus the reason why it's slowed down a little. The longer the truck project takes, he longer I'm away from the organization side too.
 
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