Tools from the old world

[north]

Nice stuff TjoFrasse.

 

[Monte]

Glad to see you post some drill bits Monte!

I like the Reca one, it looks well finished, does it do the job as well as it looks?

Actually I was going to ask you about Ruko, do you know if they're any good?

I'd like to buy a decent 1-13 mm drill bit set and as Ruko's fit my budget I wondered about their quality?

Would someone know if titanium coated drill bit worth the (large) extra money (from a good quality manufacturer)? I admit that titanium nitride is really hard, but I guess that as any drill bit they need to be re-sharpened causing the coating to wear and finally you just have a "normal" HSS drill bit?

I was thinking that HSS-G + Cobalt was more reasonable because less expensive that Ti coated but more stable at higher temperature than normal HSS so more time between re-sharpening, does it make sense?

Thank you for your help!

hi,
the Reca works, but i must admit that its a while ago since i used it the last time, i only own 2 or 3 of the 8mm size from them (1.- € from Ebay ) so i cant really comment now.
Just yesterday í used drill bits from Alpen, Gertus and Format (=Gühring).
Unfortunately you cant count on names so there is one (or more ?) Alpen bits which are out of round ("HSS-R" though). I have Metabo wood drill bits were also 2 are out of round (HSS-R). So i cant tell you something about the Ruko bits since i dont have them and i guess you will find some which might be out of round too (HSS-R , HSS-G maybe not). I think the HSS-G are automatically better because they´re ground so probably more accurate, the HSS-R only roll-forged and possibly a bit more out of round.

The cobalt ("HSS-E") drill bits are basically for stainless steel etc., but also works for mild steel. The TIN coated ones are only good as long as they´re coated. After regrinding they´re just regular drill bits.

So i probably would buy a set regular HSS-G drill bits for regular steel, and/or HSS Co5/HSS-E for higher alloy steels, stainless etc.
For wood drill bits i would try HSS-G too from Famag for example.
ps: Do you have "Bauhaus" stores ??


btw: here a short video about drill bit production:
(starts at 1:54)

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@TjoFrasse:

nice tools !!!!!!!

 

[Bhae]

@TjoFrasse:

Nice gedore pliers.

@Monte:

thanks for pics.

 

[american lockpicker]

Heres one on loan from my grandmother.

I would love to find a new one thats Swiss(all the ones here China/taiwan made.)

 

[superautobacs]

Superautobacs,

What is the height (in millimeters) for each of the 3 Wise ball hex drivers?

For the Anex 6103F low profile, standard hex drivers, the height of the 2.5mm and 4mm pieces is 10mm.

For the Bondhus low profile, standard hex (short arm end) and ball hex (long arm end) combo drivers, the heights of the 2.5mm, 4mm, and 6mm short arm ends are the following: 7mm, 9mm, and 12mm. The model numbers for the Bondhus stubby balldriver sets (1.5mm - 10mm) are 16599 (long) and 16799 (extra long).


Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave,

Here's a group shot of 5mm hex keys. From left to right: WISE, PB (100* stubby), PB (standard), Craftsman. Hope this helps.

Here's an Artu hobby plane. My first taste of Solingen, and my first "plane" for getting into woodworking.

A Greenlee branded wire stripper. This thing works like a charm, so far; wayyyy better than the Taiwanese one I had before (returned). Made in Sweden to boot (who's the OEM?).

 

[Monte]

Hi Dave,

A Greenlee branded wire stripper. This thing works like a charm, so far; wayyyy better than the Taiwanese one I had before (returned). Made in Sweden to boot (who's the OEM?).

nice !!! OEM = www.pressmaster.com

 

[dede2897234]

Superautobacs,

Thanks for posting the 2 comparison pictures of the 5mm hex keys in your collection. According to your pictures, the shortest one, the PB Swiss stubby hex key has a height around 16mm. The Bondhus catalog lists the height of the 5mm stubby hex key in either the long model (#16564) or extra long model (#16764) at 10mm.


Dave

 

[Hazet]

Yeah, the finish is uneven on some of them. Yep, no germany, just DIN895 and sizes on the back.



As promised! This is the rest of the things i bought. Spent €211 total, just €20 shipping. Sent from Germany friday, got it monday evening. Have spent my tool budget for a while now though...

Gedore locking plier and water pump plier.

KS-tools spark plug set.

Hazet drivers.

Gedore offset ring wrench set. 6-20+22mm.

Hazet working gloves and a tool box for carrying things around.

Nice choice. My favorite brands Hazet and Gedore.

 

[Monte]

@Moose:

Since Matador didn´t email back i called them today. So 56 minutes later unfortunately they told me that they don´t have a distributor in the UK for a while now.... their USA distributor is also gone... So the only way would be to email dealers or ask stores to offer Matador tools so maybe through this way they can find a new distributor or buy it here in germany...
There are a couple of online shops in .de so if you could tell me what you are looking for maybe i can help you.

ebay.de: http://stores.ebay.de/Werkzeuge-und...0QQ_sidZ1007934654?_nkw=matador&submit=Finden

regular store of the ebay shop: http://www.handwerksausruester.prag...0000009a65106534d/0000009b6710b004a/index.php

"Matador Hits" special promo prices: http://www.handwerksausruester.prag.webspace24.de/shop/0000009a660abee05/0000009c3e0af31e2/index.php

another store: http://www.autolackierbedarf.de/default/90/72/0/0/module-fuer-werkstattwagen.html

They should have almost the complete program: http://www.tecmatador.eu/




btw: the brand new Bosch GSR Mx2Drive 2-speed pocket driver

Some Hazet news for late 2010

Hazet "eTAC" torque wrenches

cordless impact wrench

air impact wrench

Bit set with bit ratchet

bent/angled bit ratchet

Hazet-"Cockpit" tool storage. Me want

And lots of more new items here: http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/easyflip/sww_neu/Start.html

 

[superautobacs]

Superautobacs,

Thanks for posting the 2 comparison pictures of the 5mm hex keys in your collection. According to your pictures, the shortest one, the PB Swiss stubby hex key has a height around 16mm. The Bondhus catalog lists the height of the 5mm stubby hex key in either the long model (#16564) or extra long model (#16764) at 10mm.


Dave

Dave,

I can't remember where I saw comparison pictures, but I do recall Mitoloy is producing the shortest stubby L-type wrenches in the world (shorter than Bondhus). Here's their catalogue index. Look for ホーローレンチ on the left and click.


EDIT: I found the link: http://naha.cool.ne.jp/vespapx/s_hex.htm

His grin is so genuine.

 

[Monte]

L-wrench + angle grinder = shortest L-wrench in the world


I would grin too if i had his tool box + tools

 

[superautobacs]

L-wrench + angle grinder = shortest L-wrench in the world

I think you're onto something there, Monte.

 

[american lockpicker]

@Superautobacs I didn't know Artu made things other than drill bits.

 

[north]

Wecome back to this thread BOV.

Yes, we do come back to this thread. And thanks. (I presume)

Anyhoo, some norwegian made tools from another millennium.

A "Kongsberg" wood chisel and a "Geilo" screwdriver. Inherited from my dad. I guess from the 70's.

Geilo was THE brand once.

 

[zer0cell]

@Monte
This may seem like a funny question but after looking at quite a few pages in this thread I didn't happen to see any wood-working/framing hammers. I realize this site is more about garage type work so maybe that's why but I'm curious as to what are considered the top brands in the old world for framing hammers. Here in the USA I really like Estwing's all metal hammers, and vaughan's wood handled hammers. Got some pictures/info about good ones from the old world? How about anyone else?

 

[TjoFrasse]

A Greenlee branded wire stripper. This thing works like a charm, so far; wayyyy better than the Taiwanese one I had before (returned). Made in Sweden to boot (who's the OEM?).

nice !!! OEM = www.pressmaster.com

Those look nice! I really would like to have their cable stripper and cable shoe crimper, Swedish made and all. But they (as all brand name cable tools) are really expensive!

Nice choice. My favorite brands Hazet and Gedore.

As a VW fan, Hazet is the first choice, but price and availability hinders me… The KS-tools set was not my preferred choice, but it filled a need. Shiny chrome tools is not my favorite.

Nice stuff TjoFrasse.

Tackar! Skoj att se en till skandinav här bland verktygen!
(Run that through google translate! )

 

[Monte]

@North:
Are "Geilo" tools still made in Norway ? The recent screwdrivers have a strange looking handle though...
I like the name "Geil" in german = "*****"


@Zer0cell:
There is Picard, Gedore and Peddinghaus who supplies all kind of hammers also for woodworking. I´m not into woodworking and also don´t have any woodworking hammers so i only can give you some links: www.picard-hammer.de http://www.gedore.de http://peddinghaus.de/

one piece forged with leather handle similar to the Estwing models from Picard

A modern interpretation with 2-component grip handle

ps:
Tack ! Mer skandinavisk verktyg vänligen !

 

[north]

The Geilo site says there has been continuous tool production at their plant since 1951. I'll check them out next time I'm at a 'bauhaus'.

 

[maxipouce]

Glad to see you post some drill bits Monte!

I like the Reca one, it looks well finished, does it do the job as well as it looks?

Actually I was going to ask you about Ruko, do you know if they're any good?

I'd like to buy a decent 1-13 mm drill bit set and as Ruko's fit my budget I wondered about their quality?

Would someone know if titanium coated drill bit worth the (large) extra money (from a good quality manufacturer)? I admit that titanium nitride is really hard, but I guess that as any drill bit they need to be re-sharpened causing the coating to wear and finally you just have a "normal" HSS drill bit?

I was thinking that HSS-G + Cobalt was more reasonable because less expensive that Ti coated but more stable at higher temperature than normal HSS so more time between re-sharpening, does it make sense?

Thank you for your help!

Hello folks, I am currently busy breaking concrete, but I can take some time to answer a very important question, Ti coating is just decorative **** for the multi purpose uses we have here, I would rather go for a high quality plain hss drill bit set (such as Tivoly, the grounded ones sold by Espace emeraude, ultra (warning; they offer several ranges) and others).
The self called mild quality ti coated ones are just average the ones quoted above are excellent.

 

[TjoFrasse]

Anyhoo, some norwegian made tools from another millennium.

A "Kongsberg" wood chisel and a "Geilo" screwdriver. Inherited from my dad. I guess from the 70's.

Geilo was THE brand once.

Nice! I must confess i didn't know of any Norwegian tool manufacturers.

Indian Gedore wrenches was discussed earlier, i found one in a box:

And an old Palmera wire cutting plier:

 

[Monte]

The Geilo site says there has been continuous tool production at their plant since 1951. I'll check them out next time I'm at a 'bauhaus'.

Thx for the info ! Do you know online stores who sells the tools ??


@Kukko:

So what did you buy ?

 

[north]

Thx for the info ! Do you know online stores who sells the tools ??

I found this store. They state that they can not ship abroad but that they will be able to at a later time. I don't know how old that info is though. You could give them a shout at [email protected].

Edit: I think was modelled after kukko at Stahlgruber, lol.

 

[Monte]

@Kukko:
nice pics !!!! Looks like a store i should visit

Do you have any pics of your tools you could post here ??

I found this store. They state that they can not ship abroad but that they will be able to at a later time. I don't know how old that info is though. You could give them a shout at [email protected].

Thanks ! Maybe i should mail Geilo, maybe they have a dealer here.... I only need 1 tool made in norway for the collection

Edit: I think was modelled after kukko at Stahlgruber, lol.

lol

 

[north]

If you have no luck finding a dealer in Germany I can see if I can find you a specimen here and ship it to you. Shipping alone will be NOK 266 though.

 

[Monte]

266 Kronen ??????? That´s 33 Euro !!!!!
ehhhh no thanks (but thanks for the offer )





Found this İZELTAŞ wrench from Turkey today in the garage. www.izeltas.com.tr

 

[north]

Haha, I reckoned you would get a bit of a shock. Hope your heart started ok again.
Where would İZELTAŞ be in terms of quality? Can you buy them in Germany?

Oh, and Iceland 1 - Norway 2. Woohoo!

 

[Cantause]

hi,
the Reca works, but i must admit that its a while ago since i used it the last time, i only own 2 or 3 of the 8mm size from them (1.- € from Ebay ) so i cant really comment now.
Just yesterday í used drill bits from Alpen, Gertus and Format (=Gühring).
Unfortunately you cant count on names so there is one (or more ?) Alpen bits which are out of round ("HSS-R" though). I have Metabo wood drill bits were also 2 are out of round (HSS-R). So i cant tell you something about the Ruko bits since i dont have them and i guess you will find some which might be out of round too (HSS-R , HSS-G maybe not). I think the HSS-G are automatically better because they´re ground so probably more accurate, the HSS-R only roll-forged and possibly a bit more out of round.

The cobalt ("HSS-E") drill bits are basically for stainless steel etc., but also works for mild steel. The TIN coated ones are only good as long as they´re coated. After regrinding they´re just regular drill bits.

So i probably would buy a set regular HSS-G drill bits for regular steel, and/or HSS Co5/HSS-E for higher alloy steels, stainless etc.
For wood drill bits i would try HSS-G too from Famag for example.
ps: Do you have "Bauhaus" stores ??

Thanks for explanations, I think I'll go for HSS-G, maybe Co5 the price difference isn't that high. I'm not sure about the brand yet, I'll have a look at the Tivoli's that Maxipouce recommended before trying Ruko's.
No Bauhaus in Belgium, however as I'm close of the German boundary (near Aachen), I should have a "tool trip" in your country, I still have to buy oxygen cylinders at "Gas Lüdenbach" too so I'll take the trailer with me (for the tools), cylinders on the passenger seat of course!

Hello folks, I am currently busy breaking concrete, but I can take some time to answer a very important question, Ti coating is just decorative **** for the multi purpose uses we have here, I would rather go for a high quality plain hss drill bit set (such as Tivoly, the grounded ones sold by Espace emeraude, ultra (warning; they offer several ranges) and others).
The self called mild quality ti coated ones are just average the ones quoted above are excellent.

Thanks for the advice, I'll have a look

266 Kronen ??????? That´s 33 Euro !!!!!
ehhhh no thanks (but thanks for the offer )

Haha, I reckoned you would get a bit of a shock. Hope your heart started ok again.
Where would İZELTAŞ be in terms of quality? Can you buy them in Germany?

Oh, and Iceland 1 - Norway 2. Woohoo!

Hey Monte it's Norway, you in Germany have probably the less expensive postal service in europe, in Norway what do you have for 266 NOK? 2 or 3 hamburgers
I went to Tromso in February, when I saw the prices in the supermarkets I didn't even try to enter in a tool shop But it was a very nice (freezing) place to visit!

@ North: Do you guys often buy your tools from foreign countries? or are import duties high enough to make the benefit worthless?

 

[north]

For tools there are no duties (is on clothes and some other products) but there is a 25% sales tax to be paid if the item cost NOK 200 or more.
So ratchet at NOK 199 + freight at NOK 80 = no tax or fee. Cost is NOK 279.
But ratchet at NOK 200 + freight at NOK 80 = NOK 280 + 25% + NOK 108 fee. Cost is NOK 458

Currency value is adjusted weekly by customs dept. so item value is determined on arrival. Hence you want a little bit of wiggle room on the price when you buy.
Or you buy big and cram as much as you can in one parcel to lessen the sales tax burden on shipping and minimize customs clearance fees.

It's really the fee that kills the deal on the less expensive items. It is NOK 108 on items NOK 200-NOK 1000 and NOK 217 on items above NOK 1000.

I let the postal service clear all my parcels and I could save some money on the NOK 217 fee if I did the customs work myself but I figured it is worth it to avoid the paperwork. Might have to rethink though if I continue to buy big lots from Bull, lol.

For me it's worth it to buy american tools. Much cheaper to buy Snap-on from ebay than from dealer in Norway. And somethings you have to buy from ebay, like Cornwell, New-Britain, Armstrong...
But for Facom, USAG... it is cheaper to buy new in Norway.

 

[saskoplac]

http://www.unior.si/katalog-rocnega-orodja

http://www.unior.si/katalog-rocnega-orodja

 

[saskoplac]

http://www.unior.si/katalog-rocnega-orodja

unior tools

 

[north]

Re: http://www.unior.si/katalog-rocnega-orodja

http://www.unior.si/katalog-rocnega-orodja

Cool. They even have a dealer in Norway. And welcome to the forum saskoplac.

 

[american lockpicker]

Picked this up at a flea market today for $0.75.

 

[Monte]

Haha, I reckoned you would get a bit of a shock. Hope your heart started ok again.
Where would İZELTAŞ be in terms of quality? Can you buy them in Germany?

Oh, and Iceland 1 - Norway 2. Woohoo!

Yeah I´m ok again
It´s not my wrench, but it seems it works
Their website only list dealers in Turkey - but i guess someone brought it over here.
ps: congratulation

Thanks for explanations, I think I'll go for HSS-G, maybe Co5 the price difference isn't that high. I'm not sure about the brand yet, I'll have a look at the Tivoli's that Maxipouce recommended before trying Ruko's.
No Bauhaus in Belgium, however as I'm close of the German boundary (near Aachen), I should have a "tool trip" in your country, I still have to buy oxygen cylinders at "Gas Lüdenbach" too so I'll take the trailer with me (for the tools), cylinders on the passenger seat of course!

btw: some more drill bit manufacturers to confuse you : Selekta, Alpen, Riss, Werkö, Löher, Dormer, Hartner, Walter

Hey Monte it's Norway, you in Germany have probably the less expensive postal service in europe, in Norway what do you have for 266 NOK? 2 or 3 hamburgers
I went to Tromso in February, when I saw the prices in the supermarkets I didn't even try to enter in a tool shop But it was a very nice (freezing) place to visit!

lol maybe with some fries






I visited a car race today. Some pics of tool stuff:

Exact AC Hydraulic jack copy from China at a booth:

screw style jack stands. Small, medium and large sizes.

they also had 3 tables full of rubber discs/blocks for jacks/jack stands and car lifts

one team had this:

another this cheaper version:
but most only the small cantilever tool boxes or plastic boxes, aluminium cases, tool roll pouch, bags or nothing at all.

swiss made english wheel from www.eckold.com

another english wheel and shrinker/stretcher pliers in the background

a car race

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Exact AC Hydraulic jack copy from China at a booth:

I have one of those!

 

[Monte]

I have one of those!

it still works ?
ps: did you find my "Matador" answer ?




Visited the "OBI" store today, surprisingly the open stock 1/4" and 3/8" drive "Lux Tools" sockets were gone, they only sell the sockets in 3 piece sets now
Only 1/2" is available individually now.

 

[impulse922]

wow, you can hardly get craftsman stuff for that price

 

[Monte]

But thats imported..... Craftsman sockets are USA... and Craftsman has the the really good prices like the 300 pc. socket set for $299.-

 

[impulse922]

But thats imported..... Craftsman sockets are USA... and Craftsman has the the really good prices like the 300 pc. socket set for $299.-

i was speaking more or less for the torx/hex, but yep, my main socket set is one of those 300ish piece ones.

Where is lux usually imported from?

 

[tonydanzah]

I went to an ace hardware I don't normally go to and was surprised to find a large knipex selection.

 

[american lockpicker]

My Ace doesn't carry much imported stuff(other than Chinese) by they do have a ton of NOS US made tools(Stanley, General, Irwin Vice Grips, etc.)