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Thanks, Monte.
I haven't used the Stahlwille 517 ratchet yet but its operation is pretty smooth and the flex-mechanism is great. Don't hesitate to buy it.
Only a few of the VBW pliers I bought were on sale. At the time I ordered the stuff, this year's first VBW promo was still valid. The only current VBW sale I'm aware of is this one. However, I can't complain about my Stahlwille/VBW dealer. He's always willing to offer attractive prices to me.

Thanks for the link to the new Promo !! The new red "X-Grip" pliers look good !! But i think i like the black ones with the red dipped handles better ?!!?!??! i dunno..... to have both designs would be good.... :D

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I always think about flex head ratchets.... still dunno if i need them..... if...then Stahlwille..... ;)

ps: Does your VBW dealer stock these "centre cutters" ??? I like the design better than the others from the other company :D ...


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And since Stahlwille offers those wrenches from 6 to 41 mm I simply had to get the 41 mm wrench. Yep, that's crazy, even my dealer thinks so.

What is that for a dealer ??? :D he should call Stahlwille so they can make some more sizes for you !! :D


My dad has such a "Meister (?) Handform" screwdriver. Green handle, PH1. I will take a photo of it as soon as possible.

cool !!!!!

Not all Ikea cabinets are created equally. In my opinion, the quality of the Faktum drawer cabinets (kitchen) is good but I would stay away from drawers of the Pax series. And, of course, you can get better quality if you are willing to pay higher prices. All in all, I think the price/performance ratio of Ikea products is good.

I´m already sold to a Hazet Assistent 179 with the Hazet "Cockpit" box attachment :D so no ikea for me :D ;)

No picture, yet.
I see you are not a real PB-fan. :confused: Monte, you really disappoint me. ;)

:D later....later.... next Hoffmann sale ..... ;)


Correct, the information I gave was wrong/misleading. I was exclusively commenting on the Halder Supercraft with three component handle. That's the only Halder recoil-less hammer I own. My other recoil-less hammers are made by Gedore and PB.

also not that important ...a couple of millimeters.... 50mm Gedore hammer from the "Magic Promo" with spare head is on my wish list as the last recoilless hammer to purchase...

I'm tempted by the Fein BOP 6. As far as two speed drills are concerned, I will opt for a Duss in the long run. For a moment, I thought about buying a Metabo if I could get a good close-out-price but I wasn't thrilled about the ergonomics. The body is too big for my hands.

Duss or Fein for drills.....the others can´t build them :D ;)

I regularly use my 6" Festool ES 150/3 that way. Operating it (vertically) with one hand is definitely not a problem. Just give it a try. If a 6" ROS was on my list I would probably decide between Festool and RUPES. Metabo, Bosch and Makita could be an option if they were available for a lot less money from GB.

i think about the ETS 150/5. Rupes cost about the same so i would rather take the Festool. Or for a lot less the Metabo with the 2 orbital coarse/fine settings.......

How do you like your "Energieampel"?

Didn´t install it yet ... :D ..... next year maybe ;) ... have to find a car lift first, install electric lines etc to see where to install it.....

Not to forget Ötscher. I like my dungarees.

made in Austria ?

PZ can also be found on electric devices, hardware (hinges etc.). To be honest, I think both PH and PZ are a must in (Central) Europe.

oops yes forgot the electric stuff..... PZ and SL/PZ or SL/PH.

The Ko-Ken 3715SLK T-handle is something I really can't be without, I believe. Monte, do you know if it's already available in Germany?

Didn´t ask the KoKen dealer yet. Maybe email Koken in Luxemburg or Mattes Werkzeuge. It seems to be available in Japan, many shops offer it, so i guess it will be available here too already....


@Monte
Those WGB box wrenches with handle ("Zugringschlüssel") you posted some while back, are those yours??? Do you plan to purchase the Gedore box wrenches with handle offered in the Magic promo? When will you get a 3/4" socket set? :)

no my fathers. He only has this one size for the hitch. I don´t plan to buy any of them. Instead of a 3/4" ratchet i might buy the extendable Hazet ratchet.... no extra sockets needed..... :) ;)

Which set of hooks and picks would you recommend in addition to the PB set? I also have two small hooks/picks from Genius. A buddy of mine liked the Genius 4 pieces set I had bought as a spare set, so I sold it to him. Now what to get:
Witte or Turnus?

Elora ! :D I dunno, the blades of Witte + Turnus seem to be about similar, i think i prefer the bulkier shorter Turnus handles. I´ll let you know when i have the Elora 590S set :D (next year :D)......

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BTW, Matador replied to my email within 30 minutes (!) but they didn't seem to be willing to share the origin of the 430 series wrenches with me.

the double ended swivel spanner (?) is from Taiwan i think. The new ones. The old ones say "Germany" and look german. The new ones look Taiwanese and without "Germany", different finish and laser etched name............

only found a pic of the old ones. The "Bauhaus" ones are different. Maybe they have 2 versions ??? You need to look at the wrenches before purchasing...... Also sometimes catalog images are quite old and you can see "W-Germany" or "West Germany" on tools (like in the pic below.....)....... so you don´t know what you´ll receive......
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I wonder which company really made your Bergin SB 4001 L/R drill. The drill looks a lot like my trusty old Kress SBLR 2117 drill. Your Bergin could be the small brother/sister of my Kress drill. Yep, I'll post a picture of it

yeah a pic would be cool. The drill has a strange metal selector for drilling/percussion mode which i saw on ancient Kress drill.... I think some old "Uniropa" drills are also from Kress ?

I'll try to post a photo in order to clarify that.
ok thanks ;)
 
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this is one of the greatest threads in all of the internetz!

anyway, I just picked up a bunch of old stock Facom that my ind. dealer was clearancing out (along w/ all SK)... picked up a few double end deep offset wrenches to round out my stahlwilles (at a deep discount) and a small set of 4-13 double opens, plus some pliers, cutters, etc... well, the wrenches "55" have no "france" or anything on them, I assume they are from the Stanley takeover and are made elsewhere, I have old old old facom that has "france"... any thoughts?
 
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this is one of the greatest threads in all of the internetz!

anyway, I just picked up a bunch of old stock Facom that my ind. dealer was clearancing out (along w/ all SK)... picked up a few double end deep offset wrenches to round out my stahlwilles (at a deep discount) and a small set of 4-13 double opens, plus some pliers, cutters, etc... well, the wrenches "55" have no "france" or anything on them, I assume they are from the Stanley takeover and are made elsewhere, I have old old old facom that has "france"... any thoughts?

The recent 55 series wrenches are from Taiwan. Here i posted more origins of different Facom tools: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=677418&highlight=facom+offset#post677418
The origin can be found out by calling the Stanley customer service, they can look in their computer where everything is from.

ps: any pics ? :)
 

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I found strange tools in my garage i don´t know the name of those tools. If anybody knows plz let me know.
 

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This is a photo to explain how the last one works...
 

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I found strange tools in my garage i don´t know the name of those tools. If anybody knows plz let me know.



I do not know the actual name of the tool pictured in the top left and top middle but i have the cman version of it, i like to refer to it as a paper weight or a piece of ****!
 

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This is a photo to explain how the last one works...


Wow, the famous universal wrench. They sold them on every fair and during special sales in store houses in the late 70's early 80's. I remeber a guy having a small mobile booth in my home town showing the amazing flexibility of this wrench. Even my grandpa who had very few practical skills bought one. Well, maybe he was the "target group"

No idea who made them though.
 

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Servus, Monte,

Thanks for the link to the new Promo !! The new red "X-Grip" pliers look good !! But i think i like the black ones with the red dipped handles better ?!!?!??! i dunno..... to have both designs would be good....

I think the type with the red dipped handles is all I need right now.

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I always think about flex head ratchets.... still dunno if i need them..... if...then Stahlwille.....

Fortunately, I didn't face such a difficult decision. I knew that I don't need a/another flex-head ratchet and ordered the Stahlwille. ;)
A Facom and a Garant/Ko-Ken flex-head ratchet would be nice, too.

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ps: Does your VBW dealer stock these "centre cutters" ??? I like the design better than the others from the other company ...

No, he ordered everything for me from Stahlwille Austria. To my knowledge, Stahlwille Austria had to order some of the desired tools from Germany because they didn't have it in stock here.

I´m already sold to a Hazet Assistent 179 with the Hazet "Cockpit" box attachment so no ikea for me

I already have a plan for garage cabinets and a workbench that are based on Ikea cabinets. But as for a mobile workbench, I don't know what to build/buy. Maybe the next Hoffmann promo contains helpful inspiration.
The Hazet combination you are contemplating is very nice, I'd like one myself. But the price really hurts and, as mentioned, I need some kind of workbench on casters that enables me to work in front of the garage. (If I work outside the garage, there's no need to clean the garage. :))

50mm Gedore hammer from the "Magic Promo" with spare head is on my wish list as the last recoilless hammer to purchase...

No need for a hammer of this size here, I think.

Duss or Fein for drills.....the others can´t build them

Well, Protool Quadrills and Eibenstock drills don't appear to be poorly made.

i think about the ETS 150/5. Rupes cost about the same so i would rather take the Festool. Or for a lot less the Metabo with the 2 orbital coarse/fine settings.......

I like the Festool better than the Metabo. One reason is that the Festool is lighter. This is something I really appreciate since I don't have a 5" ROS. For coarse sanding I stick with my belt sander that I seldom actually reach for. Of course, a belt sander is probably not the most suitable tool for automotive sanding.
Have a look at the new (approx. one year old, if I recall correctly) Festool Jetstream dust collection technology. The Festool engineers really put some thought into that.
BTW, new Festool tools


made in Austria ? [Ötscher]

I don't know.

I will email Mattes regarding the T-handle.

no my fathers. He only has this one size for the hitch. I don´t plan to buy any of them. Instead of a 3/4" ratchet i might buy the extendable Hazet ratchet.... no extra sockets needed.....

I'd rather get a 3/4" ratchet and an adapter for 1/2" sockets. Breaking a socket or an adapter should hurt a lot less than breaking the 1/2" ratchet - which will probably not happen anyway.

Elora ! I dunno, the blades of Witte + Turnus seem to be about similar, i think i prefer the bulkier shorter Turnus handles. I´ll let you know when i have the Elora 590S set (next year )......

Thanks, I'll give the Turnus hooks and picks a try.

the double ended swivel spanner (?) is from Taiwan i think. The new ones. The old ones say "Germany" and look german. The new ones look Taiwanese and without "Germany", different finish and laser etched name............

Yes, that might be correct but I would have appreciated an official confirmation.
What's the solution to this problem? Stahlwille FLEXI, I guess.

yeah a pic would be cool. The drill has a strange metal selector for drilling/percussion mode which i saw on ancient Kress drill.... I think some old "Uniropa" drills are also from Kress ?

I don't know if the switch is made from metal on my drill but the mechanism seems to be the same. The only apparent difference is a little cap that covers the switch. It should prevent users from accidentally selecting the hammer mode.
Regarding Uniropa, that could be true. I think "Quelle" offered Uniropa tools that seemed to be "related" with Kress tools many years ago.

Have a nice day,

Chreese

PS: A buddy's AMF universal wrenches:

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@cantause:
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nice wrenches ! I like the finish. Matt wrench and polished heads. Like most Hazet tools :)

I think that's what some people miss about Facom, more heavy duty, more France, less shiny chrome, less "no COO on the tool and the box" (or at least with enough difficulties to find that you can't after a careful inspection :) ).
The guy (on ebay.de) had the complete set from 6 to 32, my tool budget of the month was already spent so I was willing to pay up to 9 euros for sizes above 21, especially as they're pre-OGV (a guy who had both said there were a big difference in some cases) so I grabbed what other people didn't want, I'm still happy!

this is one of the greatest threads in all of the internetz!

anyway, I just picked up a bunch of old stock Facom that my ind. dealer was clearancing out (along w/ all SK)... picked up a few double end deep offset wrenches to round out my stahlwilles (at a deep discount) and a small set of 4-13 double opens, plus some pliers, cutters, etc... well, the wrenches "55" have no "france" or anything on them, I assume they are from the Stanley takeover and are made elsewhere, I have old old old facom that has "france"... any thoughts?

I guess that you have the last "face-lift" of the 55, without the large "cut out" (I'm sorry I don't know the exact english word) for the engraving, like these:
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The previous version was like this:

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I prefer the new ones for the shape and finish, however I don't own any (well... not yet :bounce:), if the quality is as good as the old ones you made a good deal! I would also prefere to buy a french product instead of a nowhere product, it's a pity that Facom outsource so much now...

@Cantause
Nice tools! Your pictures remind my to buy some Facom tools. And the Mitutoyo measuring tools you own: Amazing!

Thanks, as I said I think that Facom makes very ergonomic and, let's be honest, pretty tools. Some say the quality is getting lower and lower, reaching the state of **** :wtf:, but I've never been disapointed with one of their tool, nor my father did with 3O+ years old tools. A couple of warantied tools, without problem, just went to my local distributor with the broken tool, and went back with a new one, no question asked, no bill requested, no worries. But it seems it's not the case everywhere, maybe I just have a nice ditributor...
For the Mitutoyo tools, they're... great, excellent, whatever you want!!! Excellent finish, accuracy, ease of use, batteries last for years... They're extremely pricey I admit, and I would have never bought them if there weren't ebay... Except the caliper, which is a basic tool and always on sale in their "action" leaflet. I bought the micrometers because rebuilding an engine with tolerances at 0,01 using metrology tools barely that precise was a non sense. Now I'm "sure" that when I do some measurements I know how much I can trust what I read on the tool, it makes the "peace of mind" that metrology brings, much more real :bounce:

Hey guys, if the german post doesn't make a big mess of my last tool order (they rarely do) I will have my new (and first) combination wrenches set to show you this week end!!!

Take care (of your tools of course:lol_hitti)
 

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Servus,

Here we go with the promised photos of my Kress hammer drill SBLR 2117. This drill is approximately 15 years old.

The drill with the cap for the hammer-/regular-modus switch.

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Close-up of the cap:

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You can reach the switch through the hole in the cap with the chuck key in order to select the operating modus of the drill.

The drill with the cap removed:

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Technical data of the SBLR 2117 that was "Made in Germany":

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Some pictures of the inside:
Yes, the switch is made from metal, as you stated, Monte. But it has a plastic cover, at least on the SBLR 2117.

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The drill came with a screwgun-style nose that can be attached instead of the chuck. But this nose doesn't work very well because it lacks a clutch.

Regards,

Chreese
 

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Thank You! I really appreciate the info/responses regarding the Facom wrenches... I'm a bit disappointed that they didnt' come from Italy or France, but for the price ($7.50 each), I couldn't pass them up... the sizes I got will probably never be used since the largest fastener I work on is 24mm, but rounding out the stahlwilles up to 32mm was too easy to refuse. I'll post some picks of the stuff I picked up later (camera to home)... cheers!

Oh yea, interesting bit of info, my supplier is dropping SK/facom, etc... for Wright Tool.
 

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I got an email reply from Gedore Tools in South Carolina. I was quoted a retail price of $506.10! I'm not even sure what ratchet wrenches are included for that price...but damn, it had better be every ratchet wrench they make! I can buy a whole lot of GearWrenches for $500.
 
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Servus, Monte,
I think the type with the red dipped handles is all I need right now.

ok you win :D ! nice !!! nice tire lever btw !!!


Fortunately, I didn't face such a difficult decision. I knew that I don't need a/another flex-head ratchet and ordered the Stahlwille. ;)
A Facom and a Garant/Ko-Ken flex-head ratchet would be nice, too.

sweet pics !! Thank you !!!! Is the beam of the ratchet hollow ? (cant remember...) Can you measure the dimension of the beam and the joint of the ratchet head itself (height, width from ...to...) I try to figure out which is the strongest.... The Wille looks beefy.....


No, he ordered everything for me from Stahlwille Austria. To my knowledge, Stahlwille Austria had to order some of the desired tools from Germany because they didn't have it in stock here.

ah ok i thought there is a full wall of VBW tools..... ;)

I already have a plan for garage cabinets and a workbench that are based on Ikea cabinets. But as for a mobile workbench, I don't know what to build/buy. Maybe the next Hoffmann promo contains helpful inspiration.
The Hazet combination you are contemplating is very nice, I'd like one myself. But the price really hurts and, as mentioned, I need some kind of workbench on casters that enables me to work in front of the garage. (If I work outside the garage, there's no need to clean the garage. :))

lol yeah ! Hopefully you dont have neighbours.... :) otherwise you have to clean the driveway :) .... The Hazet box/cockpit combi is just a dream... ;).... i´ll save 10 bucks a month so some day.... :D ... ;)

No need for a hammer of this size here, I think.

just to fill the gap between the 40mm and 60mm :D ;)

Well, Protool Quadrills and Eibenstock drills don't appear to be poorly made.

yes not poorly, but not as beefy as the others :D .... I´m also not shure about Protool, if you click here and then here. I dont know if you not sometimes get DIY grade tools ?
I think there is still a difference of the Eibenstock (which are probably very good because otherwise Bosch (+ Alfra, BDS, Ruko etc.) wouldnt sell them)
but next to the 700€ price difference compared to a similar Duss (just take a look at their iron pig :) and the 1000€ difference for the Fein tool there will be more than just the price.....


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I like the Festool better than the Metabo. One reason is that the Festool is lighter. This is something I really appreciate since I don't have a 5" ROS. For coarse sanding I stick with my belt sander that I seldom actually reach for. Of course, a belt sander is probably not the most suitable tool for automotive sanding.
Have a look at the new (approx. one year old, if I recall correctly) Festool Jetstream dust collection technology. The Festool engineers really put some thought into that.

yes it´s ligther but i dont know if lighter is always better (quality wise) ball bearings instead of slide bearings, or oversized bearings, thicker plastic, metal gear box instead of plastic etc..... everything is weight... if you click here and then here and compare the weights, the more powerful drill is ligther, but is it better ????
I also like the jetstream idea, Norton and 3M have something similar or even with more but smaller holes. Maybe next year, we will repaint a buddies car, so I´ll definately have to get a 6" sander then....


btw. Festool offers a hand tool set in a "systainer" now :)
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I will email Mattes regarding the T-handle.

ok . let me know the price :D

I'd rather get a 3/4" ratchet and an adapter for 1/2" sockets. Breaking a socket or an adapter should hurt a lot less than breaking the 1/2" ratchet - which will probably not happen anyway.

I only wrench on cars, the maximum torque is maybe 200 - 300 NM even if its 400NM it shoud be no problem for a 1/2" ratchet. Thats why i was thinking to get the Hazet extendable ratchet first so you can also adjust the length depending on how much space you have, and later get a 3/4" ratchet. Also adapters are not good for crowded spaces and 3/4" ratchet heads are pretty big.

Thanks, I'll give the Turnus hooks and picks a try.

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Yes, that might be correct but I would have appreciated an official confirmation.
What's the solution to this problem? Stahlwille FLEXI, I guess.

I wondered why you ask about Matador anyway :) ..... There is also Gedore + Hazet + Heyco who offers this type of wrench (for the non Stahlwille subscribers :D )

I don't know if the switch is made from metal on my drill but the mechanism seems to be the same. The only apparent difference is a little cap that covers the switch. It should prevent users from accidentally selecting the hammer mode.
Regarding Uniropa, that could be true. I think "Quelle" offered Uniropa tools that seemed to be "related" with Kress tools many years ago.

Thanks for the pics !!!! Do you have other pics of opened electric tools ? Yes i think Uniropa was a Quelle (or Karstadt ??) brand.

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@Cantause:
no question, Facom makes pretty (nice) tools, i was a big fan of Facom too, all their tools look nice (except maybe the extra long "40LA" series combo wrenches) but now since i can´t buy the "France" anymore i dont see paying their prices. The tools will work no question, the warranty seems to be good etc. but for me there is something "lost", the "identity"....



I got an email reply from Gedore Tools in South Carolina. I was quoted a retail price of $506.10! I'm not even sure what ratchet wrenches are included for that price...but damn, it had better be every ratchet wrench they make! I can buy a whole lot of GearWrenches for $500.

i just got the info out of a german forum that the german Gedore ratcheting wrenches will be available from the middle of october and there will be a "start set" (10, 13, 17, 19mm) for 34,90 € + tax. So the prices seem to be like the taiwanese ones. In the US the prices are "a bit" high - i would buy them in germany or UK. The good thing is the wrenches will be serviceable/rebuildable. Common prices of the old Gedore ratchet wrenches you can see here:
http://shop.ebay.de/?_from=R40&_trk...e+ratschenschlüssel&_sacat=See-All-Categories
 

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Pics of purchases. I didn't really "need" any of these, but the prices were very good. Facom 55's at $7.50 ea. (x3), SK ratchet set at $29.95, SK "Italy" torx set at $19.95, Facom 3 piece plier set at $24.95, 10 SK raised panels at $5 ea. Interesting to date these ol' stock tools and consider the problems retailers had w/ the SK/Facom/Stanley mess over the past 5 years...

I snapped a few quick picks of one of the 55's next to my Stahlwille, obvious finish and dimensional difference... Like I said, I will probably never use them. Most of my jobs consist of 20+ year old Volvo/Benz...

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SK from Italy:
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My New Favorite Tool of the Week:
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Facom Left, Stahl on Right:
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Few more 55 pics:
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I REALLY like the Facom Adj. Pliers, very handy, better than the Bahco's I have, equal to the Knipex Gators IMO. I am sad to see newer Facoms outsourced, especially when everything else I picked up was either French, Italy or US made, (taiwan for the ratcheters but that is the norm and I expected that)
 
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Theloniousmonk,

Did you purchase the old stock Facom and SK hand tools online? If yes, would you mind providing a link to the reseller's website?


Thanks,

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Nope, local supplier that had the same stock, essentially for 5 or so years. They finally threw in the towel and are clearing everything out for Wright. It seems ALL of my local suppliers are doing the same thing w/ what they have left of SK/Facom NOS, bringing in either Wright or Blackhawk... Lots of reasons, not least of which being problems w/ warranty buybacks.

I know Epstein has the same Facom double deeps, they have some other SK/Facom too... a quick search showed a few onliners w/ the individual pliers, but no 3 piece sets...

Oh, Part number for the set: Facom 76013 - 3 piece Comfort Grip Plier Set w/ "New Ergo" handles...
 
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nice tools Theloniousmonk !! Interesting italian SK wrenches !!! I always thought their wrenches are all USA ? Do you have a pic of a SK wrench with "SK" and "Italy" visible on the pic for future reference ?? :)
 

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Thanks much for all the info and edukatshiun of eurotools! I've had to "Retool" literally 4 times in the last 14 years, and am now doing it again... having two chosen professions (wrencher or designer) that have two very different environments has forced me to sell tools to buy supplies and like-wise... this time around, I'm keeping my tools and building what I need very deliberately. No more 80ft. drawers full of 100 redundant pliers... Though this purchase is pushing me in that direction again... strictly Euro and small Indie US manufacturers now.
 
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Seen some nice NOS Swedish Bahco tools today but couldn't buy them because I'm not trade. :mad:

Also I noticed on some newer asian made ones it said snap on on the back. :confused: I'm sure with an American company running things quality will go down hill fast and there will be lots of outsourcing.
 
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Thanks much for all the info and edukatshiun of eurotools! I've had to "Retool" literally 4 times in the last 14 years, and am now doing it again... having two chosen professions (wrencher or designer) that have two very different environments has forced me to sell tools to buy supplies and like-wise... this time around, I'm keeping my tools and building what I need very deliberately. No more 80ft. drawers full of 100 redundant pliers... Though this purchase is pushing me in that direction again... strictly Euro and small Indie US manufacturers now.


Thanks for the pics !!!
4 times in 14 years ? Damn !! i hope i only have to do it once in 40 years..... :)

My Bahco locking pliers are from 2004ish? and have "Snap On" on the package too... I hate the pliers, pretty much worthless in my book, too delicate imo. Just a bad design, built in France.

Any pics ??



Most of the Bahco tools over here with the new packaging say "SNA Europe"
 
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@Chreese:

i don´t know if the handle design of a hook + pick set is that important - i often use a pick like that:
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We once talked about the pictured pliers offered bei "Schuebo". Did you order them or saw them in a store in the meantime ? I looked at the "Forum" version yesterday and they look good. Unfortunately i had no cable with me to test it. Nice "allround pliers" it seems.

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btw.: the complete new "EvoL!ne" pliers line up with 25 degreee angled heads:
http://www.orbis-werk.de/de/downloads/EvoL!ne Preisliste.pdf

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Thanks for the pics !!!
4 times in 14 years ? Damn !! i hope i only have to do it once in 40 years..... :)

I'm doing it for the second time in 6 years :lol_hitti


@Theloniousmonk: Nice buy :thumbup:
The hunt for old Facom tools is starting for me, managed to find a S.161 old style ratchet a few months ago and I'm trying to get my hands on more old Facom stock (rumors say the importer here have alot of old Facom stock).

@Monte: Do you know how do Irimo, Acesa and Irazola (other SNA Europe brands) compare to Facom and others of similar quality? I know the Irimo and Bahco ratchets are the same and have good reputation but don't have a clue about the rest I have access to alot of Irimo and don't know if I try it or not :headscrat
 
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I'm doing it for the second time in 6 years :lol_hitti

ok it´s also my 2nd time: 1st time cheap tools , 2nd time : expensive tools :D


@Monte: Do you know how do Irimo, Acesa and Irazola (other SNA Europe brands) compare to Facom and others of similar quality? I know the Irimo and Bahco ratchets are the same and have good reputation but don't have a clue about the rest I have access to alot of Irimo and don't know if I try it or not :headscrat

Most of the SNA tools seem to be identical if you look through their catalogs (pliers etc) . I have no experience with these tools, since they´re not really available over here (except Bahco) the other brands sometimes appear at ebay, some Acesa tools for example from the german army, some Palmera + Irimo (jack + stands, impact wrench, pliers) tools once made it into the german Bahco promotional flyer, but i didnt see them in stores. So unfortunately i cant tell you anything, i would like to test some pliers and other tools though. I only had a Palmera wrench set in my hands once which looked just like other wrenches from germany or so but with a spanish name :)
Unfortunately the Irimo catalog is not online so difficult to say if the rest is equal to Acesa etc. or mostly imported like the Irimo pliers sets from China.
 

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Few tools from Japan...
Apology for heavy poor quality pictures...

Asahi Lightool 8mm, 10mm, and 12mm on can of whapass
These triplet will be adopted by someone around Christmas time...

Super compact and light... but there's no use for them...

ANEX 3960 Series

Forgot to grab 9210 series...

KTC WM-150, WM-200, WM-250, and WM-300
The quadruplets of WM series... The weeist one didn't spend enough time in the tumbler...

WM-150 feels like fine sharkskin... other ones are not that noticable...

KTC AS701
I thought this one was Zainichi/Zapanese... i mean Chinese pretending to be Japanese...
Store manager informed me that all the automotive tools and main hand-tools are made in Japan, though there are few Taiwanese・Chinese made machine/tools but didn't say which ones...

Limited use... maybe try it on EGR... if there's enough space...

KTC M5 series...


5.5mm to 27mm just because...


1/4inch to 1 inch... just 2 wrenches short... should of bought last two...

KTC TM5S series
8mm-19mm stubby boxends... i just wanted to complete the set...

Limited use but will be handy in tight space...

KTC TPMD18
Plastic handle driver set

Quality took major nose dive... Should of went with VESSEL...

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These ones are going back to Warrantyland... Chrome plating problem...

Time to ditch KTC...
Next year, ko-ken time... hopefully...
 

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MogeraCND,

Which online tool vendor did you use to purchase the above quality Japanese hand tools? How much did you pay for shipping from Japan to Canada?


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nice tools !!!!!!! The KTC box wrenches look really good !!!!!!


@AlexRS:
thanks for the link ! The tools look like the others....Palmera etc...
If you can get them there for a good price i would not to hesitate to buy any of the Spanish brands. They look good. Especially the pliers. The screwdrivers can´t be that bad too since they are also sold as "Bluepoint" and Irazola only makes screwdrivers.
Punches/chisels + T-handle hex drivers + adjustable wrenches from "Snap-On" are also "Made in Spain" so i don´t think the quality is bad if even Snap-On sells the Palmera/Irimo/Acesa/Irazola/Bahco tools with a "Snap-On" name on them !!
So you could buy Snap-On quality at a more realistic € price here !


This is what they offered last year in the Bahco promo catalog:

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@MogeraCND: KTC :drool:


T-handle hex drivers + adjustable wrenches from "Snap-On" are also "Made in Spain" so i don´t think the quality is bad if even Snap-On sells the Palmera/Irimo/Acesa/Irazola/Bahco tools with a "Snap-On" name on them !!

Great info as usual :thumbup: I knew I've seen the T-Handles before but didn't know what brand they were, know I know :)



So you could buy Snap-On quality at a more realistic € price here !

The prices are a little lower than Facom (ratchets have similar price)

If some day you want to try Irimo, Acesa or Irazola tools the offer from my previous post stands :thumbup: you're not that far away from me, Europe is small with express delivery :lol_hitti
 
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Great info as usual :thumbup: I knew I've seen the T-Handles before but didn't know what brand they were, know I know :)

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The prices are a little lower than Facom (ratchets have similar price)

That sounds not too expensive :) :D

If some day you want to try Irimo, Acesa or Irazola tools the offer from my previous post stands :thumbup:

:thumbup: ! Thanks !
I will come back to your offer eventually in december ! (if I´m still in this forum then :D)

you're not that far away from me, Europe is small with express delivery :lol_hitti

:D

definately cheaper than to visit you with a car or train too ! :D ;)
 
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You're not going anywhere Mister! You're staying right here, giving us knowledge, as usual! :beer:

ok , if you say so :D

Drop me a PM by December then :thumbup:

ok :)

As above, I learn something new everyday from your info :beer:

more info below :)

Heres some tools that belong to a mate of mine. I bet no one knows what the black tool is. *Hint* Its a locksmiths tool from Germany...

You´ve won your bet :D I only know what a Proxxon Speeder is :D






First the german NWS pliers from the import tool company "KS-Tools" which were posted here a while ago, now i found these NWS circlip pliers from "SW-Stahl" another one of the import tool companies. I wonder if China/Taiwan is running out of pliers ??? :D

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I wonder if China/Taiwan is running out of pliers ??? :D

:lol_hitti


On the same subject got these for free some time ago, they are sold by Suki International and not that different from the ones you posted.

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Edit: Found some Orbis exactly like the ones above, I guess they're Orbis :D
 
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