Tools from the old world

[american lockpicker]

I finally got it off without tools, I removed the card and forced it off.

 

[Monte]

Thanks for the note Monte. I can take some more photos. These are the newer green/black handled versions. I note that the "super long" nose pliers look to still have the straight green handles. I have a new set arriving next week. The quality is at least as good as my Knipex. They are "tight" with no noticable play. So far I have been very impressed with Stahlwille/VBW

some more pics would be cool ! The extra long pliers only come with the dipped handles in green. The other dipped handles are also solid green. I´m happy that you´re happy

Picked this up today.
Also how do you remove the orange cap holding the wrench to the card?

nice wrench !!! Strange: wrench says "Bahco Sweden" package say: "Made in Spain"
And ? How do you like it ?

oh, and removal of the orange button requires a 3hp die grinder and carbide bur bit.

I finally got it off without tools, I removed the card and forced it off.

just wanted to suggest:
- shop press
- Large pin punch + hammer
- drill press

j/k

already made a pic for instructions how to remove the plug

 

[american lockpicker]

@ Monte I love the wrench so far I've only used it to install a cutter on my key machine also I wish it was chrome plated so it looked new and didn't have wear.

 

[jymmiejamz]

I just got my Bahco wrenches off of Amazon for $44 and I love them. They only seem to have standard on Amazon unfortunately. I will rarely use them since they are standard, but I like the feel of them way more than my Snap On, Mac, and Craftsman wrenches. Anyone know of a good place to get metric Bahco wrenches stateside?

BTW mine say USA on them. I'd prefer them to be made in Sweden.

 

[american lockpicker]

BTW mine say USA on them. I'd prefer them to be made in Sweden.

Me too but its better than China or similar.

 

[flyingkite]

Back in USSR - tools from the Soviet Union

Screw drivers

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Clockwork screwdrivers

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Wrenches

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Pliers

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Cutters

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Files. Only file on the top has original handle.


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Small files

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Drill bits

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Threading tools

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Small vice, wood drill cutters and clamps


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Surgical tweezers and scalpels

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Storage box for screws, washers, nuts etc

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Nuts

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Screws

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Dremel. I desinged it myself (with friends). Inside high-RPM gyroscope motor.

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[american lockpicker]

Thanks for showing those Soviet tools.

 

[aspera]

Hmmm...are Soviet aerospace fasteners metric?

 

[american lockpicker]

Hmmm...are Soviet aerospace fasteners metric?

More than likey. I think at one time they used the "line" system before switching to metric.

 

[rocketv]

Servus, Monte,

Some while back you asked for a couple of close-up pics of files, rasps and pliers. I hope I can fulfill your request.

Have a nice day,

Chreese

Hi there guys,
Sorry to bring this old post back to life, but I'm trying to find some info on some old files I found in my late-father's toolbox, and two of them are marked just like these ones. There does not seem to be very much info easily found - in English anyway , so I'm hoping that someone can fill me in with some details.
I'll attmpt to attch some pics of mine to keep the tool **** action rolling

thanks in advance

rod

 

[flyingkite]

More than likey. I think at one time they used the "line" system before switching to metric.

Metric of course. The only exception was plumbing, the most conservative industry in the world, diameters of pipes are still measured in inches.

 

[superautobacs]

I just got my Bahco wrenches off of Amazon for $44 and I love them. They only seem to have standard on Amazon unfortunately. I will rarely use them since they are standard, but I like the feel of them way more than my Snap On, Mac, and Craftsman wrenches. Anyone know of a good place to get metric Bahco wrenches stateside?

BTW mine say USA on them. I'd prefer them to be made in Sweden.

The wrenches are made in the USA under the Snap-On group umbrella. They resemble the Williams Supercombo series wrenches. Unfortunately, Bahco USA never produced a metric line. The newer socketry items from Bahco are made in Taiwan, which includes metric.

 

[jymmiejamz]

The wrenches are made in the USA under the Snap-On group umbrella. They resemble the Williams Supercombo series wrenches. Unfortunately, Bahco USA never produced a metric line. The newer socketry items from Bahco are made in Taiwan, which includes metric.

So are the metric Bahco wrenches different from the standard ones?

 

[Monte]

I think the Bahco "Made in Sweden" wrench production ceased in the 1960´s ? (1963 ?) They started production in Argentina back then. The USA made Bahco is not a real Bahco product, just the name.


@flyingkite:
thanks for the pics !!! What brands do we see there ?


@Moose:
I just ordered the Esgen door panel tool !! Hopefully you still want it The price will be about 18.70€ + tax (dont know the exact shipping yet). They have a 50.-€ minimum order requirement, so extra costs of 5.-€ were unfortunately added. About 4.- € will be shipping to me. Tool alone is 9.70 €.
I will visit the Matador dealer on saturday.

 

[american lockpicker]

Also this isn't the Oregon file I mentioned in the other thread earlier this week.

 

[Monte]

oil funnel from Pressol www.pressol.com

 

[Bolster]

Are you Euro boys running out of enviable tools to show us poor Amurkins? What's this with funnels?

 

[Monte]

I don´t know if this is enviable:

ps: funnels are tools too

 

[Bolster]

Yes, I envy the hammer, as does my vat of Evaporust.

 

[TjoFrasse]

I think the Bahco "Made in Sweden" wrench production ceased in the 1960´s ? (1963 ?) They started production in Argentina back then. The USA made Bahco is not a real Bahco product, just the name.

Production in Sweden (Enköping) started closing in 2006 of the adjustable wrenches. Production moved to Spain.

Swedish article: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/it_telekom/allmant/article39213.ece

Short recap:

120 years ago Johan Petter Johansson invented the Plumber wrench and founded the company Enköpings Mekaniska Verkstad (Enköpings Mechanical Workshop). After that came the adjustable wrench and the company changed name to Bahco. But now production in Enköping is over.

Johan Petter Johansson invented what he called the "Iron hand", an adjustable plumbers wrench that replaced fixed wrenches. He got the patent for his invention in 1888 and on the final product in 1891. After that he did the adjustable wrench and a lot of other inventions. When he died in 1943 he had 118 patents.

Bahco are since 1999 owned by the american Snap-on Inc from Kenosha Wisconsin, founded in 1920, and one of the worlds largest and oldest tool manufacturers. Bahco AB is just one of about ten companies in Snap-ons European department.

Now Snap-on has decided to move the manufacturing of the well known Bahco adjustable wrench from Enköping to their plant in Basque, Spain. This will affect 275 employees in Enköping, shutdown will begin this autumn and be finished at the end of next year.

This wasn't a popular move by many "tool patriots", and i consider it quite funny when you hear a old-timer rant about those "**** quality american ba****ds"...

On another note:

Did somebody say funnel?

 

[blue dog]

I don´t know if this is enviable:

ps: funnels are tools too

Monte, did that hammer steam across the atlantic ocean to get to you.

 

[flyingkite]

@flyingkite:
thanks for the pics !!! What brands do we see there ?

There were no brands in the Soviet Union (with the few exceptions). Every manufacturing facility was obligated to produce some consumer goods (heavy machinery and military equipment was a priority). Tools were mostly manufactured from the leftovers with an average quality.
But sometimes there were no leftovers, especially in the aerospace industry and they produced exceptional tools.

Things would change if you worked on of one these facilities and established good relationships with machinists.

They would make tools for you from exotic alloys and refractory metals. These "special order" tools would cost you a fortune on a free market.

 

[Monte]

Yes, I envy the hammer, as does my vat of Evaporust.

lol
if you want the hammer it´s yours for €1.50 plus s+h for your vat of Evaporust

Production in Sweden (Enköping) started closing in 2006 of the adjustable wrenches. Production moved to Spain.

Swedish article: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/it_telekom/allmant/article39213.ece

i thought about the regular wrenches. At least they opened a factory in Argentina in ´63. Thanks for the article ! Now i know what a "skiftnyckel" is
But i wonder why they want to compete with these 50 other brands with 50% of them being chinese which was mentioned in the article, because it is "Bahco" so the name alone should sell the adjustable wrenches even if they´re made in Sweden. (ps: Did they lower the price after they´re made in Spain now ?)

On another note:

Did somebody say funnel?

Thanks for posting the funnel !!! i heard funnels are not tools ????
This one looks cooler than the typical orange ones ! Nice Hazet colors !!!!

Monte, did that hammer steam across the atlantic ocean to get to you.

Yeah i wonder if this was the case ?
Maybe stored in a place full of salt water for a while ???
It´s looking too gross....
I can´t use it...maybe with a little bit body putty and new paint it´s useable


@flyingkite:
thanks for the information !! Would be interesting to see "special order" tools ! That would be cool if you could go to a factory and say "i would like to have one 12x13mm open end wrench made out of titanium" and the machinist say: " no problem, wait 5 minutes"





Some flea market finds:

"Cronenberger" insulated screwdriver made in "W. Germany"

"Belzer" "obstruction" D) screwdriver

 

[flyingkite]

@flyingkite:
thanks for the information !! Would be interesting to see "special order" tools ! That would be cool if you could go to a factory and say "i would like to have one 12x13mm open end wrench made out of titanium" and the machinist say: " no problem, wait 5 minutes"

You're welcome.

Zum Beispiel, bottle opener. Made from the high grade titanium, leftovers of course.

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Someone might assume that it's not a tool, maybe, but not in Russia.

 

[TjoFrasse]

i thought about the regular wrenches. At least they opened a factory in Argentina in ´63. Thanks for the article ! Now i know what a "skiftnyckel" is
But i wonder why they want to compete with these 50 other brands with 50% of them being chinese which was mentioned in the article, because it is "Bahco" so the name alone should sell the adjustable wrenches even if they´re made in Sweden. (ps: Did they lower the price after they´re made in Spain now ?)

The "skiftnyckel" is one of those things (like dynamite) that swedes often hold as a masterpiece of swedish engineering. Although many like to call them "bolt rounders", one of those "works for everything, right for nothing" tools.

Ah, i don't know about regular wrenches, but i think they were made here also after -63. These are some of my fixed Bahco wrenches, with an Argentina made at the top.

I'm not sure of the production year of these, but i think they're newer than -63. I think production was phased over, but don't know for sure.

Regular prices are the same what i have seen, but perhaps they are more easy to find on sale now. When it comes to Taiwan production for ratchets and sockets, they have introduces lower prices lines (the S-series).

Thanks for posting the funnel !!! i heard funnels are not tools ????
This one looks cooler than the typical orange ones ! Nice Hazet colors !!!!

Of course they're tools. They are a "utility" (I might be out of my depth with my english here, but i mean like a "functional item").

Only time will tell if this one gets to be used or if it's a display item

 

[AutomatiquE]

@flyingkite : Please, tell me more about this bottle opener. Did you make it ?

 

[flyingkite]

@flyingkite : Please, tell me more about this bottle opener. Did you make it ?

I'm not a machinist but I worked in the R & D facility where we had a small mechanical shop. Our machinists were very skilled, they could make amazing things without any blueprints.

Monte's 5-minute estimate for the "special order" wrench was very close, but the whole process would normally consist of three steps. First, you have to provide your machinist with the original materials from the supply warehouse. Some nice warehouse girls would always be happy to help you in exchange for a couple of chocolate bars. Sometimes another favor would be assumed which I definitely would not object.

A good machinist would always suggest the best options, sizes, shapes etc, but you could also bring a blueprint.

Some orders would require help from other factory workers, like guys who worked with the galvanic bath or perform hardening and tempering operations.

Final step would involve some liquid currency exchange in order to provide incentives for your future orders.

Not surprisingly, your order will go with the highest priority!

 

[Monte]

You're welcome.

Zum Beispiel, bottle opener. Made from the high grade titanium, leftovers of course.
Someone might assume that it's not a tool, maybe, but not in Russia.

wow that´s cool !!!!!!! A cork screw with bottle cap opener + t-handle !!!!!!! nice !!!!!!!!!!!! Looks very very nice !!!!!!!!!!! Patent it, make it and become millionaire !!!


A bottle opener is a tool over here too (at least in Bavaria ) and at least this one you can consider as tool because a Gedore T-handle ratchet drives the cork screw:

the matching bottle cap:

another bottle opener. This time drop forged:

The "skiftnyckel" is one of those things (like dynamite) that swedes often hold as a masterpiece of swedish engineering.

+ Volvo + Saab !!

Although many like to call them "bolt rounders", one of those "works for everything, right for nothing" tools.

yup ...Don´t really use them.... ...But Bahco (ok + Irega) are the nicest....So if you want to round a bolt then please with a Bahco

Ah, i don't know about regular wrenches, but i think they were made here also after -63. These are some of my fixed Bahco wrenches, with an Argentina made at the top.

I'm not sure of the production year of these, but i think they're newer than -63. I think production was phased over, but don't know for sure.

Do you know when the "Sandvik Belzer" era tools were produced and where ?
(sockets for example)

Regular prices are the same what i have seen, but perhaps they are more easy to find on sale now. When it comes to Taiwan production for ratchets and sockets, they have introduces lower prices lines (the S-series).

i wish they would introduce a higher price line of tools..... the new "Belzer" .... made in germany (with some swedish adjustables + saws)

Of course they're tools. They are a "utility" (I might be out of my depth with my english here, but i mean like a "functional item").

Only time will tell if this one gets to be used or if it's a display item

lol oil funnel display item lol

ps: "workshop equipment" count as "tools" too.

 

[TjoFrasse]

another bottle opener. This time drop forged:

Ooooh! I want!

+ Volvo + Saab !!

Yeah right...

yup ...Don´t really use them.... ...But Bahco (ok + Irega) are the nicest....So if you want to round a bolt then please with a Bahco

I have no Irega, but yeah. I don't use them with cars, but for quick bicycle fixes they're handy. Bad adjustables are a pain!

Do you know when the "Sandvik Belzer" era tools were produced and where ?
(sockets for example)

No, i don't. I'm too young (didn't own any tools) to have experience from that era... And when you see older tools you don't know their age.

i wish they would introduce a higher price line of tools..... the new "Belzer" .... made in germany (with some swedish adjustables + saws)

Just now i feel that the Bahco brand is being dumped. I have seen some chinese made Bahco branded accessories, and some have horrible quality. I have a feeling now that i don't really see the future for the Bahco brand. I wonder what SNAs plan for it is. With saws still made in Sweden, you just wonder when that is moved to.

lol oil funnel display item lol

ps: "workshop equipment" count as "tools" too.

Hehe, no seriously it's great for the beetle, with its narrow oil filler.

www.wuppertools.de
Knipex, Wera, Athlet, NWS, Famag........

greetings to your wallet !!!!

Damn, my wallet needs to have a serious talk with you. It's not catastrophic, but something needs to be done. Some more items to show, hopefully next week.

 

[flyingkite]

Monte,

Very nice bottle opener from Gedore, it would make quite a show in old Russian garage coop where car owners used to socialize.

Could I ask you a favor?

I enjoy this thread but pictures in the beginning (linked to the photobucket) are not available. Can you fix it?


If it's big deal, don't mind it, a good half of your pictures still here.

 

[american lockpicker]

Heres my Dutch and Swiss drinking tools.

I don't really use them any more as I use modern Grolsch swing tops that have been designed to be used with out the use of tools.

 

[Solid Lifters]

nice !!! OEM = www.pressmaster.com

My Knipex looks just like that! Is pressmaster the maker of the Knipex stripers?

12-42-195 click*

 

[Monte]

I have no Irega, but yeah. I don't use them with cars, but for quick bicycle fixes they're handy. Bad adjustables are a pain!

btw: Do you already have a Knipex or VBW pliers wrench ??

Just now i feel that the Bahco brand is being dumped. I have seen some chinese made Bahco branded accessories, and some have horrible quality. I have a feeling now that i don't really see the future for the Bahco brand. I wonder what SNAs plan for it is. With saws still made in Sweden, you just wonder when that is moved to.

yeah only the saws/saw blades are left i think + the 3 cast aluminium scrapers. The saw frame # "208" is also from China now, some saw frames even from germany !!!
Hole saws from England i think..

Hehe, no seriously it's great for the beetle, with its narrow oil filler.

The flexible funnel is sometimes quite practical !

Damn, my wallet needs to have a serious talk with you. It's not catastrophic, but something needs to be done. Some more items to show, hopefully next week.

lol
i thought you just got the Hazet screwdrivers, Gedore wrenches + pliers etc. and now another order ??? I think your wallet needs to talk to you !!!

Monte,

Very nice bottle opener from Gedore, it would make quite a show in old Russian garage coop where car owners used socialize.

Could I ask you a favor?

I enjoy this thread but pictures in beginning (linked to the photobucket) are not available. Can you fix it?

If it's big deal, don't mind it, a good half of your pictures still here.

The pics will fix themself on the 26. of this month.
So i think today/tomorrow the pics should be visible again when the bandwidth will be reset to zero.

I don't really use them any more as I use modern Grolsch swing tops that have been designed to be used with out the use of tools.

Interesting ! I thought only Flensburger make the bottles with these "swing tops"

My Knipex looks just like that! Is pressmaster the maker of the Knipex stripers?

12-42-195 click*

Knipex strippers are "made in germany" while the Pressmaster tools are "made in sweden". There are some differences in design etc. (metal jaws on the Knipex tool vs. plastic on the Pressmaster, pressure adjuster on the Pressmaster tool, slightly different lower handle design + joint design etc.)

 

[american lockpicker]

@ Monte theres a lot of companies that still use swing tops especially in France for sodas and theres one company in Italy that sells new empty ones as decoration.

 

[Monte]

@flyingkite: The pics are back up !!!

@ Monte theres a lot of companies that still use swing tops especially in France for sodas and theres one company in Italy that sells new empty ones as decoration.

ooops and I thought it´s a german thing "Flensburger" a.k.a. "Flens" is a cult beer here. Here some TV advertisements

Unfortunately it´s only funny when you can understand german






Gedore uploaded a new PDF file of their new ratcheting wrenches. Here it is...:

 

[Moose-LandTran]

@Moose:
I just ordered the Esgen door panel tool !! Hopefully you still want it The price will be about 18.70€ + tax (dont know the exact shipping yet). They have a 50.-€ minimum order requirement, so extra costs of 5.-€ were unfortunately added. About 4.- € will be shipping to me. Tool alone is 9.70 €.
I will visit the Matador dealer on saturday.

Thank you, Super Monte!

I still want it, believe me i do!

I searched for "Matador" on eBay.de. My search yielded some results that weren't tools, maybe "reading material"!

 

[TjoFrasse]

btw: Do you already have a Knipex or VBW pliers wrench ??

I don't yet. Since several months on tool budget got blown on Gedore stuff from TBS-aachen, it will probably be a while. They're not cheap! Almost ordered one now from Wupper, but i restrained myself.

yeah only the saws/saw blades are left i think + the 3 cast aluminium scrapers. The saw frame # "208" is also from China now, some saw frames even from germany !!!
Hole saws from England i think..

Yeah, i recently bought a 317 hacksaw, which is chinese made. It came with three (Swedish) blades though, and were on sale cheaper than three blades are separately.

The flexible funnel is sometimes quite practical !

Yeah, flexible + small end is good on the beetle.

lol
i thought you just got the Hazet screwdrivers, Gedore wrenches + pliers etc. and now another order ??? I think your wallet needs to talk to you !!!

€500 this month from Germany! 385 from TBS-aachen and 115 now from Wupper. But i comfort myself that it is tools that i will use for the rest of my life hopefully. And i'm saving the German economy!

I don't really use them any more as I use modern Grolsch swing tops that have been designed to be used with out the use of tools.

Why don't they sell those here? I've just seen the standard bottle cap Grolsch.

ooops and I thought it´s a german thing "Flensburger" a.k.a. "Flens" is a cult beer here. Here some TV advertisements

Unfortunately it´s only funny when you can understand german

We don't have those either! No importer apparently.

I really love swing tops (here they are called "Patented cap").

 

[flyingkite]

@flyingkite: The pics are back up !!!

Great, thank you!

Just started my journey across the tool wonderland.

 

[Monte]

Thank you, Super Monte!

I still want it, believe me i do!

I searched for "Matador" on eBay.de. My search yielded some results that weren't tools, maybe "reading material"!

ok i believe in you
Yeah the reading material is pretty good i heard, just like the tools

maybe this ebay searches turns out more useable results:

ebay: car parts: tools: Matador

http://fahrzeugteile.shop.ebay.de/W...dwerkzeug&_fln=1&_sac=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

ebay: business + industry: Matador

http://business.shop.ebay.de/Busine...dwerkzeug&_fln=1&_sac=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

ebay: DIY: Matador

http://heimwerker.shop.ebay.de/Heim...dwerkzeug&_fln=1&_sac=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282


ps: btw:
what do you use to spread the strut on a let´s say Golf to release the lower ball joint ? A socket like this or a screwdriver ??

I don't yet. Since several months on tool budget got blown on Gedore stuff from TBS-aachen, it will probably be a while. They're not cheap! Almost ordered one now from Wupper, but i restrained myself.

next order.....

Yeah, i recently bought a 317 hacksaw, which is chinese made. It came with three (Swedish) blades though, and were on sale cheaper than three blades are separately.

ok good spare saw... the 319 + 325 are still from sweden luckily

Yeah, flexible + small end is good on the beetle.

€500 this month from Germany! 385 from TBS-aachen and 115 now from Wupper. But i comfort myself that it is tools that i will use for the rest of my life hopefully. And i'm saving the German economy!

ouch ...
Thanks for helping our economy ! In return I help the swedish economy by purchasing electricity every month from Vattenfall !

We don't have those either! No importer apparently.

I really love swing tops (here they are called "Patented cap").

I don´t even drink beer.... .... But they make a nice "plop"

Great, thank you!

Just started my journey across tool wonderland.

bon voyage !






Found another one of my most favourite wrenches at the flea market...

 

[north]

Nice Belzer wrench.