Tools from the old world
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mr_jack
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I know nothing about that.
About the Hitachi - not a bad machine, but the thing is that here, in Bulgaria, it's not very common used brand. The thing is that the brand's importer ***** and he also holds the warranty, maintenance and service. And the service is really bad. Makita is maybe the most used brand here, especially for the rotary-hammers. Their spare parts are cheaper.
I personally use Bosch (blue), but when I have to buy a new one, I'm most likely gonna buy a Makita.
handtools-from-germany
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Nobody who has a comment on Hazet's choice for the 3/8" driver on this torque wrench?
Or did I just miss the existence of a 1/4" version 5-60Nm
(forgot to check the limit of the adapter. If it is lower than 60Nm, then I cannot use the full torque range) Don't want to also buy a 3/8" socket set..
I spoke today with Hazet and I have to tell you that 60 Nm are close to the maximum limit. Probably the adapter will break at the interface to the 1/4 square drive. If you want to try the adapter, I'll send it to you. If he breaks i will change it for one time.
Your catalog is on the way today by postmail. Since you are interested in German tools, I can help you with informations about Hazet, Gedore, Wiha, Wera, Knipex, Buco, Vigor and Kukko. But my best contacts are still to Hazet.
mr_jack
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Knipex have put the 400 mm pliers wrench on their site ... again
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1368&groupID=2175&artID=34161
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1368&groupID=2175&artID=34161
handtools-from-germany
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Laro13
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Go ahead, you know you want one. 
willhollin
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Just bought Makita HR2611 AVT model, will let you know my thoughts on it.
i need to make new friends...If there was also a Festool Rep among my customers I would be golden. Though at one time there was also a Snap-On dealer who was good friends with the owner (at the time) of the rink so all of our tools to maintain the rink and Zambonis were 100% Snap-On. Including a nice Snap-On triple bay tool chest to house everything.
It´s often the case that the 1/2" has more power than the 1/4" while the tool itself is the same. I guess it´s because otherwise the bits or screws would break. e.g Metabo 1/2" = 210 NM, 1/4" = 150 NM. Same tool size. btw. How much NM does the SID-18 have ?
Do you have a ranking of the durability of the impact bits ?I love both the hammer drill and impact, though the hardest thing is to find impact rated bits that will last longer than a few dozen screws. I've ordered the Wera Impaktor bits but still haven't received them yet. If they don't last I don't know what will cause I've tried over 10 different brands and none of them impressed me. At the ice-rink, I've been installing new dasherboards around the inside and outside of the rink frame. Each one requires about 30 screws to install, and there are 84 sections inside the rink and another 65 on the outside. So I've installed over 4000 of these screws with the impact. And I've probably blown through at least 140 bits doing so
If you have tested the Wera bits please let us know how they rank. Wiha would be another choice. http://wihatools.com/700seri/768serie.htmMetabo and Fein sell Wiha impact bits under their name too. Bosch (and Festool ?) sell Wera impact bits. Hilti bits seem to be from Wera too.
25.- is a very good price ! The tools in the red cases are french made afaik so it´s even a better deal
in Germany they are well known
btw. nice pics ! Most stores don´t like if you take pics since they think you are from the competition and want to take pics of their prices etc.
add a few bucks....
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Bosch-GBH-26...maschinen_Schraubendreher&hash=item53fd46edff
very very nice Bhae !!!
new Fein angle grinders will be available in january
with 800 to 1500 watt
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And the XL Knipex pliers wrench:
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dutch79
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Thanks! I already have that Hazet adapter, so I will use that to make use of the 1/4 sockets. The future will tell, but it should be OK (torque is limited by the torque wrench at 60Nm anyway).
By the way, I'm waiting for 5 weeks on a Hazet item I ordered at my local Hazet dealer, so I'll reply to our previous e-mail conversation to check for that item. Even when Holland is close to Germany, things still can take a lot of time.
Offcourse, but I meant that they don't sell the professional brands (Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille), but that's normal for a DIY-market. I have a couple of specialised adresses in the neighboorhood here that do sell these (1 is dealer of Hazet and 1 is dealer of Stahlwille).
Yes, I read in this thread that you were also kicked out of one.
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The Muffin Man
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Makes sense about the increased torque, even the 3/8in and 1/2in 18v Hilti puts out 175 and 200nm respectively
The manual states that it puts out 165NM at it's highest setting, and I believe that is a very honest rating too. Many power tool companies inflate there maximum torque ratings to the point that their ratings are practically lies. For instance, A fellow coworker as a Makita brushless impact driver that states the highest torque output is also 165NM, but the Hilti out performs the Makita in every aspect by a tangable amount too. As a little test we used the Hilti impact to fully torque down a lug nut, and then used the Makita to remove the lug nut. The Makita failed, and when we reversed the roles the Hilti removed the fastened lug nut rather quickly. So either the Hilti is underrated in the manual or the Makita is overrated in their manual. I think Hilti is a more honest company than the ones that are sold here
Do you have a ranking of the durability of the impact bits ?
Metabo and Fein sell Wiha impact bits under their name too. Bosch (and Festool ?) sell Wera impact bits. Hilti bits seem to be from Wera too.
I Have not tested any of the Wera bits yet, I have a set of BiTorsion and a couple Impaktor bits on the way that I am looking forward to try out, as well as some Felo power bits. In hind sight, I should have bought the Hilti screwdriver bits when I bought the impact, I thought they were made by Wera, as a coworker had a Hilti bit set that was a couple years old (made in Germany opposed to Czech.) The same coworker had a SID-144a that he would let me use. He's the SOB that got me hooked on Hilti
Here in the USA our tool stores stock low to slightly mid range hand tools, and mostly garbage
. I can only assume that the average person in your surrondings puts a preference on quality at the sacrifice of a few extra dollars since the tool stores pictured are somewhat of a dream world to me . Having said that, the only bits I have experience with are the low to mid range stuff that said tool stores stock here. Heres a list of what I've used in the past two weeks... All said bits were used in conjunction with Makita's gold impact bit holder.Milwaukee impact bits - complete garbage, lasted on average 6 or 7 screws, and fitted very poorly.
Dewalt impact bits - same as Milwaukee, only lasted about 5 screws before breaking.
Makita Gold Impact - faired better than most of the brands I used, they lasted at lest 15-20 screws
Bosch Impact bits - they should change there name from impact tough to impact fragile same result as Dewalt and Milwaukee. These are made in China, definitely not rebranded Wiha bits.
Irwin Impact bits - the three that I had all broke after the second screw
Apex bits - these bits lasted a good 20-30 screws before detonating, and I do mean detonating! they were not impact rated but still out performed the rest.
Rigid Impact bits - Same result as others 6-7 screws on average
Ryobi Impact bits - Again same as the others 6-7 screws.
I'm beginning to think that most of the power tool bits are made in similar factories in China.
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dutch79
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Wow, if I read this I wonder there are ANY good impact bits available!? 
So most professional impact bits sold are from Wera (Metabo, Fein, Festool, Bosch) or Wiha. Then Wera would be my choice.
How/in what situation did you use the bits in your 'tests'? Screws in wood normally don't need impact bits.
So most professional impact bits sold are from Wera (Metabo, Fein, Festool, Bosch) or Wiha. Then Wera would be my choice.
How/in what situation did you use the bits in your 'tests'? Screws in wood normally don't need impact bits.
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The Muffin Man
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I'm sure there are some good impact bits out there, just very hard to find in a physical store.
Dutch, the project I was tasked with was to replace the dasher boards of a hockey rink. The dasher boards are large white 4'x8' sections of HDPE that are screwed into an aluminum rink frame. The screws were self tapping 1/4in-20 screws with a PH3 head that would fasten the HDPE to the frame. Each section of dasher required about 40+ screws to be fastened. An entire rink needs 84 sections of dasher boards for the inside playing area, and another 70 for the outer side to hide the frame from the public. That equates to over 6000 screws that needed to be installed. Knowing this job was heading my way ahead of time is why I went out and bought myself the Hilti impact driver in the first place
. Here is a sample image of a dasher board already installed, note the many screws needed...
upgrading
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Is this out in stores in Europe yet ?
jensputzier
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I will receive them mid January 2014.
dutch79
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I've read some posts here about the model (Lina van der Mars) of Hazet. Here's a 'gadget' I recieved at a previous Hazet order:
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but it´s one of the better DIY markets with brands like Wiha and Picard.... there are worser markets i think
yeah the store detective catched me while i was taking picsYes, I read in this thread that you were also kicked out of one.
i don´t trust the manufacturers data anymore. Whether it´s the torque rating of impact tools or drill/drivers, the impact force of rotary hammers, the AH ratings of cordless tools etc... there are too many variables in measuring... soft torque, hard torque....in which type of wood ?? nobody knows....AH rating of batteries is valid for brand new batteries only, after 10x or 20x charging the capacity drops from 3AH to 2.7AH i read in a test... Only Panasonic is more honest because they measure different..... or ....12 Volt tools ?? or do they mean 10,8 volt ??? ... ok they must sell their products but please don´t try to fool us...Makes sense about the increased torque, even the 3/8in and 1/2in 18v Hilti puts out 175 and 200nm respectively
The manual states that it puts out 165NM at it's highest setting, and I believe that is a very honest rating too. Many power tool companies inflate there maximum torque ratings to the point that their ratings are practically lies. For instance, A fellow coworker as a Makita brushless impact driver that states the highest torque output is also 165NM, but the Hilti out performs the Makita in every aspect by a tangable amount too. As a little test we used the Hilti impact to fully torque down a lug nut, and then used the Makita to remove the lug nut. The Makita failed, and when we reversed the roles the Hilti removed the fastened lug nut rather quickly. So either the Hilti is underrated in the manual or the Makita is overrated in their manual. I think Hilti is a more honest company than the ones that are sold here
maybe with the next Hilti purchase they throw a free bit set inI Have not tested any of the Wera bits yet, I have a set of BiTorsion and a couple Impaktor bits on the way that I am looking forward to try out, as well as some Felo power bits. In hind sight, I should have bought the Hilti screwdriver bits when I bought the impact, I thought they were made by Wera, as a coworker had a Hilti bit set that was a couple years old (made in Germany opposed to Czech.) The same coworker had a SID-144a that he would let me use. He's the SOB that got me hooked on Hilti
yeah quality power tools are quite addicting
but i think you should thank your coworker most of the DIY stores stock several qualities from cheap imported to more expensive tools often from germany. But usually the wrenches and socketry is imported.Here in the USA our tool stores stock low to slightly mid range hand tools, and mostly garbage
btw. thanks for your impressions of the different impact bits !
in the US Bosch sells standard chinese impact bits, in Europe they sell rebranded Wera impact bits:
you can pre-order it but it seems it not yet available
Bosch GSR 10,8 V-EC HX Professional a.k.a Bosch PS22-02 12V Max EC Brushless Lithium Ion 1/4” Hex Drill/Driver
...comes in a "L-Boxx"...
...the content: tool, charger, 2 batteries (2 AH), belt clip, bit storage/holder, 4 "clips", instruction manual...
the tool.....driver with 2 speed metal geartrain (0-400 rpm, 0-1300rpm), LED light, fuel gauge and brushless motor....
the acessoires: belt clip, bit holder, and 4 colored (blue, grey, black, red) "clips" which can be attached to the rear of the tool:
note the grey plastic "clip" with inscription at the rear of the tool....
....this clip can be removed (there is a thread behind the clip) and a different one (blue, grey, black, red) can be installed...:
Or you can install the belt clip or bit holder or even both together !
the tool is very light (0,7 kg) and compact (135mm long)
drills into steel up to 10mm and wood up to 30mm. (screws up to 7mm)
close up
1/4" chuck takes standard 25mm bits and long bits with groove
short video preview:
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tweedlestan
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handtools-from-germany
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Now THAT I am looking forward to!
I will inform the forum when the sale of the Hazet 8816-1 starts ...
dutch79
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This is the Wera Impaktor bitset. Recommended by Wera when you use a powerful drill like a 18V impaktor drill. It's on my wishlist when I need a new cordless drill:
http://www.wera.de/catalog_de.html?..._tools_for_power_use_bit_sets_bit-checks.html
This is the Wera Impaktor bitset. Recommended by Wera when you use a powerful drill like a 18V impaktor drill. It's on my wishlist when I need a new cordless drill:
http://www.wera.de/catalog_de.html?..._tools_for_power_use_bit_sets_bit-checks.html
I have the small Wera Impaktor set with the long bits. Good fitment as usual.
The large set is quite expensive though
But a good choice i think and everything is included.Bosch 1/4" to 1/2" adaptor
dutch79
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Recently I viewed this video and It made me think about the brand I want to upgrade my pliers-collection (now basic Kraftwerk) to in the future. I might change it from Knipex to NWS... Value for money seems to be (even) better for NWS than Knipex 
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you could upgrade to Kraftwerk "Hightech" pliers....made by NWS...Recently I viewed this video and It made me think about the brand I want to upgrade my pliers-collection (now basic Kraftwerk) to in the future. I might change it from Knipex to NWS... Value for money seems to be (even) better for NWS than Knipex
dutch79
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Yes, but I prefer to have the tools from the original manufacturer. First NWS plier is already on it's way to me. 
handtools-from-germany
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Yes, but I prefer to have the tools from the original manufacturer. First NWS plier is already on it's way to me.
... for your information. The paint is available here in Germany without delivery problems.
Yes, but I prefer to have the tools from the original manufacturer. First NWS plier is already on it's way to me.
...and usually cheaper too
Wera bit set
Mohawk Dave
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Hey Monte and everyone else as well,
I put this in General, but maybe better here. I'll copy and paste what is in it...http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225386
Google has almost nothing on these. Pretty cool I think.
You guys know what year/ish???
What do you think they are worth?
I put this in General, but maybe better here. I'll copy and paste what is in it...http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225386
Google has almost nothing on these. Pretty cool I think.
You guys know what year/ish???
What do you think they are worth?
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The Muffin Man
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Your absolutely right Monte, I couldn't agree with you more.
maybe with the next Hilti purchase they throw a free bit set in
yeah quality power tools are quite addicting
Quite honestly I did thank my coworker
. He too values quality when it comes to tools (and his workmanship as well) so we talk allot about quality tools and other options. When I told him I was looking for a impact driver and drill he recommended I look into Festool and Metabo as well. I liked Festool's TI-15. but from what I gathered the TI-15 was geared more towards woodworking. Still would like to try one out, the Centro-Tec chucks are a really nice feature. So is the electronic clutch. Seems like I need to befriend a Festool rep
It would be nice if stores here at least stocked some higher end stuff. A few years ago Lowes started stocking some Knipex pliers in the electrical aisle, but decided to drop Knipex after a year. Though once the Knipex stuff went on clearance I made sure to pick up anything I could get my hands on.
Your quite welcome regarding the impact bits, I just got a box today from Chadstoolbox containing some power/impact bits and screwdriver from Wera and Felo! I'll have pictures of that tomorrow, and of course report on their performance when I can
Bosch GSR 10,8 V-EC HX Professional a.k.a Bosch PS22-02 12V Max EC Brushless Lithium Ion 1/4” Hex Drill/Driver
...comes in a "L-Boxx"...
I'm liking the L-Boxx that Bosch has out. They remind me of the Systainers that Festool uses. I've been contemplating picking up an L-Boxx or two.
I have the first gen 10.8 drill, driver, and impact... They are fantastic for small spaces and lighter duty work. The Impact is great for tearing down my dirtbike, I can strip the entire bike minus the swingarm-frame connecting axel.
I use the batteries when I go hiking to keep my phone charged when I'm using the GPS or on the trail for days. A simple 12v cigarrette adapter from car to a car charger and I have power to my phone for over 24 hours, and thats running music, GPS, and having the LCD screen lit the entire time
.user.nr.1
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rebranded Wera Zyklop 3/8 Set from Hilti
and Wera screwdriver set
and Wera screwdriver set
user.nr.1
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The quality is good especially the ratchet, but it's not made in Germany.
It's made in Taiwan or in the Czech Republik
The almost identical set "Wera 8100 SB 2" will cost you 190 Euros.
http://www.amazon.de/Wera-05003594001-Zyklop-Knarrensatz-Zoll-Antrieb-43-teilig/dp/B0024LOT6Y/ref=sr_1_28?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1385488961&sr=1-28&keywords=Wera
The Hilti Set available through a Hilti Center runs 199 Euros + tax.
https://www.hilti.de/werkzeuge/bits-und-n%C3%BCsse/2045971
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N.I.
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Or £51 on ebay......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HILTI-SOC...t=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item233292c74c
The quality is excellent, but the fit on the square drive end is a bit of a let down.
dutch79
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Restoration in Hazet blue - Part 1:
VISE/VICE
Old Brockhaus Heuer 120mm in pretty bad condition (paintwise):
After a good cleanup and some paint:
A couple of close-ups with German text
"Schraube zum durchstellen der Fuhrung": (adjustment bolt: not re-installed yet here)
"Brockhaus - Made in Germany - Stahlgesmiedet - Garantiert Unzerbrechlich"
Stahlgesmiedet = forged steel??
Garanteed Indestructable
Want to see a part 2?
VISE/VICE
Old Brockhaus Heuer 120mm in pretty bad condition (paintwise):
After a good cleanup and some paint:
A couple of close-ups with German text
"Schraube zum durchstellen der Fuhrung": (adjustment bolt: not re-installed yet here)
"Brockhaus - Made in Germany - Stahlgesmiedet - Garantiert Unzerbrechlich"
Stahlgesmiedet = forged steel??
Garanteed Indestructable
Want to see a part 2?