Tools from the old world

[nickjj]

that's sad in some sense seing all the good stuff made out of steel that got out of Sheffield in the past centuries.


not much greatness left in Great Britain now...



at least there's still some really great -and good- people there!

These guys are still going:

http://vimeo.com/9578542

 

[ultgar]

Got these in by mistake.......

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Got these in by mistake.......

why mistake?

 

[magnusk750]

Surprisingly cheap. 25-50 £ for a handcrafted spade isn't too bad.

These guys are still going:

http://vimeo.com/9578542

 

[nickjj]

Surprisingly cheap. 25-50 £ for a handcrafted spade isn't too bad.

I suppose that's how they have survived, some even less:

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Lan...th No.2 Open Socket Shovel/d130/sd2669/p11860

 

[ultgar]

why mistake?

The Facom wrench sets (440.JP14) were accidentally assembled with USAG clip wrench holders. Three very similar combination wrench sets come out of the same factory (at least they use to)......Facom 440.JP14, USAG 285 DE/S14 and Mac SCLM14PT. Facom, USAG and Mac are all part of the Stanley Group.

Facom re-engineered their 440 series in 2014 .........not sure if the Mac and USAG versions have received this "refresh" yet.

SD

 

[Vinko]

The Apex/Geta tools seems to be used over here too. Maybe Koken would be an option. They make impact sockets with exchangeable bits in different sizes. Not only for 1/4" bits but also 5/16", 11mm and 16mm.

Is Apex/Geta just a rebrand of Apex-USA do you know? If Apex is used over there in German industry perhaps it is among the best still.

I’ll check out the Ko-Ken -- had heard them mentioned here but don’t know much about them. Could be that the Apex are the best around. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” as the saying goes

The Automechanika fair http://automechanika.messefrankfurt.com in Frankfurt might be interesting too. Car parts, tools and shop equipment...

Thanks. There seems to be some stuff happening in Dusseldorf too, when I checked. I’ll e-mail or PM you if I get over there again.

 

[Mitkoasd]

Hi everybody and greetings from Bulgaria. Can someone tell me opinion about that welding helmet. For example COO and quality for 100 euro? Thanks.
http://elektrik90.com/?item=668&group=37

 

[mrtools]

Tools in action Lobster hand riveter

 

[mrtools]

H.T.D taps

 

[upgrading]

Tools in action Lobster hand riveter

Looks good.

 

[dede2897234]

Tools in action Lobster hand riveter

mrtools,

How long have you owned that Lobster hand riveter?

Have you put that riveter through much use at work?

How does the Lobster compare to other riveters you have owned in the past?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[user.nr.1]

Toom Baumarkt tools

took a few pictures in the hand tools aisle

NWS VDE pliers

Toom rebranded NWS pliers

Felo Ergonomic screwdriver sortiment

Toom and Merox branded screwdrivers Made in Germany

 

[upgrading]

Toom Baumarkt tools

took a few pictures in the hand tools aisle

Good stuff.

 

[CV90]

Euro hex keys

Not much wear on any of these yet, but I do own another set from the German tool giant Gedore, that is over 20 years old and has taken a beating.

If they are as durable as the old ones, the chromed Gedore long ball end keys are an absolute bargain at 20 EUR (no COO mark, hopefully Monte will chime in), followed by the black phosphate coated Facom at 24 EUR. I really like the holder on this one it provides quick access to all keys. Never had a bad experience with French made Facom tool yet. Time will tell...

The Wera Hex Plus keys have concave flats, they are supposed to provide a better grip inside the fastener head. I think it's like a reverse flank drive socket or something. These are unused so I can't say for sure if it is only a sales gimmick. The colorful plastic sleeves on the wrenches feels good to the touch. Somewhat expensive at 32 EUR. Made in Czech Republic.

The final candidate is the PB Swiss long ball end hex rainbow powdercoated set. These were a present I got from my father. I did use regular chromed PB Swiss hex wrenches at work in the past so I already know these are dependable, solid tools. Even the girlfriend likes them, there is a color match for anything. COO Switzerland. Most expensive at 39 EUR.

 

[Lasu]

Tools in action Lobster hand riveter

The original Lobster is good.

Toom Baumarkt tools
took a few pictures in the hand tools aisle

There's a lot of different "Made in Germany"brands on the market .



Monte , die grinder feaures,thanks . 600-700 W input is enough for me,spindle lock is not necessary. New "good brand" electric die grinders are expensive,that's why i'm looking for used or old stock. How much dewalt?

 

[Monte]

Is Apex/Geta just a rebrand of Apex-USA do you know? If Apex is used over there in German industry perhaps it is among the best still.

I’ll check out the Ko-Ken -- had heard them mentioned here but don’t know much about them. Could be that the Apex are the best around. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” as the saying goes

Thanks. There seems to be some stuff happening in Dusseldorf too, when I checked. I’ll e-mail or PM you if I get over there again.

Geta belongs to the Apex group like the Apex brand. But it´s (Geta) a german company so i guess thats why Apex is common over here too because Apex/Geta are sold through the same industrial dealers.
http://www.apexpowertools.eu/brands/geta-fastener-tools-and-accessories.html
Geta catalog:
www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esr...=ozFRJdHA0ulGv4-YlzGvjQ&bvm=bv.65177938,d.Yms

Yes, you´re right, there are several interesting fairs in Dusseldorf too:
A metal working fair: www.metav.de, a fair about metals www.metec.de, Aluminium fair: www.aluminium-messe.com, and fairs about tubes www.tube.de and wire/cable www.wire.de . I bet there will be plenty of (machine) tools like welders other stuff.

Tools in action Lobster hand riveter

H.T.D taps

Toom Baumarkt tools

nice pics !!
I think the screwdrivers are made by Sora.

(no COO mark, hopefully Monte will chime in),

Austria

btw. nice collection !!

btw. do you already know these new ones ?:

. How much dewalt?

What do you want to pay ??
the retail price was 379.-€ but i can give you a good price. I can send you some recent pics if you want, there is a little bit dirt here and there and a few scratches and rust spots

 

[gunsmith]

My score from flea market....

It is BAHCO 1528-200, SWEDEN
piano wire MAX 2.5 mm

Are these cutters made in Sweden, or somewhere else?

 

[gunsmith]

Second score from flea market:
magnetic bit holder

BAHCO 576, MADE IN SWEDEN
How old is this bit holder?

 

[gunsmith]

Condition is great, for both, no damage at all. My crappy camera does not show details.
Only cutters are a bit dull, how can I sharpen them?

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

btw. do you already know these new ones ?:

I looked on the interweb and did not find someone who sells them (H 42 DKEL-88) yet.
I am also searching for these: Gedore 1/2" extension w/ magnet 1990 M.

 

[Roverbo]

My score from flea market....

It is BAHCO 1528-200, SWEDEN
piano wire MAX 2.5 mm

Are these cutters made in Sweden, or somewhere else?

Second score from flea market:
magnetic bit holder

BAHCO 576, MADE IN SWEDEN
How old is this bit holder?

Hi gunsmith,
my guess for both items would be start 1980´s. They are from before the "ergo" period, but after the "shark-logo" period on the pliers (came originally from the E.A. Berg factory).
My guess for the side cutter COO would be Sweden. Most Bahco tools were made in Sweden in that period, except for files (Portugal) and electronic pliers (France).
Sharpening a blunt side cutter Since it´s probably induction hardened (and able to cut "piano wire"), and you cant take it apart, it is difficult. Maybe with a small silicon carbide wetstone?

 

[Nocturnal-G]

Tools in action: Wiha ESD Screwdriver

 

[Miskin]

Tools in action
Habero Rotband 600 gr hammer and PB Swiss Parallel punches / hexagon.
View media item 39972
Wiha dead blow soft-mallet, Wera chisel driver.
View media item 39973

 

[mrtools]

Looks good.

Yup really good..

mrtools,

How long have you owned that Lobster hand riveter?

Have you put that riveter through much use at work?

How does the Lobster compare to other riveters you have owned in the past?


Thanks,

Dave

Dave,

bought it for my company workshop a month ago, but I always use it for my daily task. so far so good..
I'm not own a good hand riveter, just a cheap China made Stanley, sometimes the rivet nail stuck at the die the problem same as Kennedy hand riveter use it at the workshop before bought the new Lobster. Honestly Lobster is the best hand riveter I ever use

The original Lobster is good.

Tools in action: Wiha ESD Screwdriver

really nice driver

 

[mrtools]

Tools in action
Habero Rotband 600 gr hammer and PB Swiss Parallel punches / hexagon.
Wiha dead blow soft-mallet, Wera chisel driver.

nice shot!!!
Thanks to share

 

[Jure]

where this bahco ratchet is made? i cant read the model #'s on the handle but it looks like 8110H-1/2 VAN-EXTRA

 

[gunsmith]

Hi gunsmith,
my guess for both items would be start 1980´s. They are from before the "ergo" period, but after the "shark-logo" period on the pliers (came originally from the E.A. Berg factory).
My guess for the side cutter COO would be Sweden. Most Bahco tools were made in Sweden in that period, except for files (Portugal) and electronic pliers (France).
Sharpening a blunt side cutter Since it´s probably induction hardened (and able to cut "piano wire"), and you cant take it apart, it is difficult. Maybe with a small silicon carbide wetstone?

Thank you on your quick and informative answer. About sharpening. I have sharpened cissors with no problem, but I did not know that side cutters are finished differently!

 

[dutch79]

DIN 3122 says that 1/4" has to withstand at least 62 Nm and 3/8" 202 Nm of torque. In my opionion Hazet (or equivalent) sockets exceed them.

About DIN 3122 that describes specs about the driving parts for hand operated square drive socket wrenches:
Where can I find more details about DIN 3122?
Like: according to DIN 3122 the max torque for 1/4", 3/8", 3/4", 1" is....

And, this doesn't apply to pneumatic torque wrenches, right? They can handle higher torque due to the rattling mechanism..? Any useful comments on that too?

 

[drakfire]

Hello guys anyone know the coo of snickers workwear ?
http://www.snickersworkwear.com

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[Roverbo]

Thank you on your quick and informative answer. About sharpening. I have sharpened cissors with no problem, but I did not know that side cutters are finished differently!

Since i haven´t tried myself, i can´t be sure... Try it, and tell us about your result, and remember to shoot some pics...

Hello guys anyone know the coo of snickers workwear ?
http://www.snickersworkwear.com

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Snickers was founded in Sweden. But my guess on todays products would be "Asia" - China, Vietnam or even Bangladesh???. From their swedish website (my translation in red):
"Historiska milstolpar Milestones
1973 Den första helbyxan tillverkas The first all-in-one suit made
1975 Från idé till företag From idea to company
1980 Exportverksamheten startar Export activities start up
1983 Rankning som en av Sveriges 100 viktigaste innovationer under de senaste 60 åren Ranking as one of Swedens most innovative companies in the last 60 years
1995 Invigning av vårt centrallager i Nederländerna Central storage facilities in the Netherlands
1999 Den asiatiska produktionen startar Asian production start up
2006 Snickers Workwear förvärvas av Hultafors AB, som ägs av investmentbolaget Latour AB. Aquired by Hultafors Ltd., owned by investment group Latour Ltd."

Snickers makes great workwear, so i don´t want to be negative, but i think that "1999" gives a good hint...
Edit: It somtimes pays to read all the text ...they state this on the website too: "Våra plagg och produkter tillverkas i Sydostasien och Lettland och distribueras från ett centrallager i Nederländerna." "Our clothes are made in SouthEast Asia and in Latvia, and are distributed from our central storage in the Netherlands".

 

[Roverbo]

About DIN 3122 that describes specs about the driving parts for hand operated square drive socket wrenches:
Where can I find more details about DIN 3122?
Like: according to DIN 3122 the max torque for 1/4", 3/8", 3/4", 1" is....

And, this doesn't apply to pneumatic torque wrenches, right? They can handle higher torque due to the rattling mechanism..? Any useful comments on that too?

The DIN standards (Deutsches Institut Fur Normung) are from the time before The European Union, and the European Standards (EN = Euro Norm). Back then, most european countries had their own industrial standards, here in Denmarks we had the DS authority (Dansk Standard), Sweden had the STS standard, UK had the famous BS mark etc. The DIN standards were issued as Norm Blatte (Norm papers) by special accredited publishers (verlag). They were - and still are - sold like "normal" books. I haven´t seen them for free anywhere. If you find them, please link them here...
Edit: You can buy the publication here:http://www.techstreet.com/products/1047858#jumps

 

[drakfire]

Since i haven´t tried myself, i can´t be sure... Try it, and tell us about your result, and remember to shoot some pics...



Snickers was founded in Sweden. But my guess on todays products would be "Asia" - China, Vietnam or even Bangladesh???. From their swedish website (my translation in red):
"Historiska milstolpar Milestones
1973 Den första helbyxan tillverkas The first all-in-one suit made
1975 Från idé till företag From idea to company
1980 Exportverksamheten startar Export activities start up
1983 Rankning som en av Sveriges 100 viktigaste innovationer under de senaste 60 åren Ranking as one of Swedens most innovative companies in the last 60 years
1995 Invigning av vårt centrallager i Nederländerna Central storage facilities in the Netherlands
1999 Den asiatiska produktionen startar Asian production start up
2006 Snickers Workwear förvärvas av Hultafors AB, som ägs av investmentbolaget Latour AB. Aquired by Hultafors Ltd., owned by investment group Latour Ltd."

Snickers makes great workwear, so i don´t want to be negative, but i think that "1999" gives a good hint...
Edit: It somtimes pays to read all the text ...they state this on the website too: "Våra plagg och produkter tillverkas i Sydostasien och Lettland och distribueras från ett centrallager i Nederländerna." "Our clothes are made in SouthEast Asia and in Latvia, and are distributed from our central storage in the Netherlands".

Thank you !!

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[Mr MoAiZo]

About DIN 3122 that describes specs about the driving parts for hand operated square drive socket wrenches:
Where can I find more details about DIN 3122?
Like: according to DIN 3122 the max torque for 1/4", 3/8", 3/4", 1" is....

And, this doesn't apply to pneumatic torque wrenches, right? They can handle higher torque due to the rattling mechanism..? Any useful comments on that too?

Here are the values:

DIN 3122
----------
1/4": 62 Nm
3/8": 202 Nm
1/2": 512 Nm
3/4": 1412 Nm
1": 2515 Nm

This is all i got.

 

[dutch79]

Here are the values:

DIN 3122
----------
1/4": 62 Nm
3/8": 202 Nm
1/2": 512 Nm
3/4": 1412 Nm
1": 2515 Nm

This is all i got.

OK, Thanks!

Anyone some info on my question regarding to the use of a (pneumatic) impact ratchet (related to the maximum torque values) perhaps?

Example: the max. loosening torques of Hazet impact wrenches are a lot higher than the DIN-values.
1/2" drive: between 500 and 1800Nm!
Is this simply due to the efficiency of the impact mechanism (higher torques can be achieved without the extra strain on the material)?

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

New arrivngs - and an old water pump plier

Different pliers from Orbis - each for 6,50€ (price now a little higher).


New Knipex 87 41 250 alongside my "old" NWS QuattroGrip.


This Knipex is perfect for heavy duty work.
I prefer the NWS water pump plier over the Knipex Cobra as it has sharper teeth,
but it is hard to find the NWS in the chrome version.

Knipex 86 05 250 - the most versatile tool.

If you don't want the Knipex, you can choose these:
NWS
http://shop.nws-tools.de/index.php/...zange-powermax/category/584/?___from_store=de
VBW
http://www.vbw.de/index.jsp?pid=10901&group=4&ugroup=14
Orbis TORQY

Knipex is best in my opinion.

Old Wera screwdriver and two NOS Pferd 1B files.




Bessey KliKlamp clamps SE.



But wait, where is the COO? Ah, here it is .


Hazet special hex 7mm for MB C-class rear brake.


Beta 42 wrenches - no COO. Can s.o. help me out?


An old Knipex plier my granddad gave me yesterday. Love it!

 

[magnusk750]

My score from flea market....

It is BAHCO 1528-200, SWEDEN
piano wire MAX 2.5 mm

Are these cutters made in Sweden, or somewhere else?

In the old days Bahco, as far as I know, had production facilities in Sweden, and since 1960s in Argentina. In Argentina they mostly made sockets and non adjustable wrenches and they use to be marked Bacho Argentina. My guess is that your cutter is swedish made if not marked otherwise, though I can't swear on it from that photo. The greenish handles for screwdrivers etc were in production until late 80s.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Re: New arrivngs - and an old water pump plier

Beta 42 wrenches - no COO. Can s.o. help me out?

Made in Italy

@user.nr.1

Thanx for the pics...tomorrow i will visit the TOOM DIY shop !!!

 

[Monte]

I looked on the interweb and did not find someone who sells them (H 42 DKEL-88) yet.
I am also searching for these: Gedore 1/2" extension w/ magnet 1990 M.

i guess it will take a couple of days/weeks until the dealers have updated their online shops. But they already might be able to get you the tools if you e-mail them ?

where this bahco ratchet is made? i cant read the model #'s on the handle but it looks like 8110H-1/2 VAN-EXTRA

I guess Argentina













Gedore open end wrench for a die grinder:

 

[upgrading]

Does Wiha make any pliers in Germany now or are they all made in SROV ?