Tools from the old world

[JBH]

This popped up on Amazon for me: Fluke-rebranded Orbis needlenose pliers:

Sixty-six bucks plus tax!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SFZR4DX/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Digging around a bit, it seems they also have some Felo VDE screwdrivers.

Here's a 1/4" flathead for $25
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SK3WR4Q/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Also, if you want to pay $80 for Orbis Speedy waterpump pliers, here's your opportunity:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SK42NVF/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I think Orbis makes nice pliers and Felo great screwdrivers, but that is some price premium!

 

[mr.lemons]

^ Haven't seen those before. Not currently available on UK Amazon.

Visited Lincoln Autojumble today. It is a small autojumble located in a former RAF base. Apparently the stalls are inside the old hanger on wet days.

Todays autojumble was 'Classic Cars theme.' Other dates are Motorbike, Tractor, Land Rover themed.

Spotted some Old World brands that I don't think I've seen before.

Gebra, W-Germany.

Intek, England.

Footprint, England.

Heynen, Germany.

Was surprised to see Toptul in a pile of old German and English spanners.

There was a stall selling new tools that had these Atorn 'Germany' spanners. They didn't look very German to me but I haven't looked them up yet so maybe they are.

I bought some new Fiskars pruners at a very cheap price.

Was super happy with myself until I looked at the back of the packaging. Thought all their stuff was made in Finland but was mistaken.

 

[Skin]

Yes fiskars is very common here and it's pretty much all Chinese.

 

[mr.lemons]

Just had a bit of a search and going off this website it looks like a lot/most of their stuff is still made in Finland.

https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/searchresults.htm?fq=fiskars

Some of their lowest price tools look to be from China. Not sure how reliable the website is though.

Edit.. and South Korea

 

[mr.lemons]

Another day, another Autojumble. Newark (also in the Midlands UK). Posted pics from this one in the past. It's much larger than the Lincoln one yesterday.



Today's purchases were Frank Turton scissors and Gilbo snips both stamped 'Sheffield England.' Knipex 95 61 190 wire rope cutters. Channellock 3148-G pliers.





Edit. Opened up the Channellocks and wow they are heavy. Much thicker than what I am used to. Not a criticism, just an observation. First impressions are that they look and feel great. So happy to have a pair after reading about them so much here.

Comparison to Gedore 8" pliers.

 

[Samuel D]

Spotted an immaculate looking Britool metric 1/2" socket set for sale on UK ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Britool-...986047&hash=item3d8de98627:g:XX0AAOSw9aJdD3R3

That ended up going for £60 plus shipping. I suppose that’s reasonable enough considering the time-capsule condition and likely quality.

 

[plumber84]

That ended up going for £60 plus shipping. I suppose that’s reasonable enough considering the time-capsule condition and likely quality.

Someone got a bargain, I’ve seen the NOS Britool England ratchets alone sell for more than that

 

[upgrading]

Nice Autojumble pics as always.

 

[mr.lemons]

Facom 601.PG 300mm hacksaw.





The handle is marked 'France.' No COO on the blade.



While searching around for a COO for the blade I noticed that the uk.farnell website has the saw listed as made in the UK. Their image of the saw is a little different with possibly a metal knob to remove/adjust the blade. No idea if this is old or just wrong info.

https://uk.farnell.com/facom/601/hacksaw/dp/3522386?st=facom hacksaw blade

 

[scubadoober]

Finally bit the bullet on the 23 series wrench set from stahlwille. I am looking forward to using them.

 

[4xdog]

Just had a bit of a search and going off this website it looks like a lot/most of their stuff is still made in Finland.

https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/searchresults.htm?fq=fiskars

Some of their lowest price tools look to be from China. Not sure how reliable the website is though.

Edit.. and South Korea

In Europe, I see a lot of Fiskars products made in Finland. Not so much in the US. It's uncommon, in fact. Our market is *dominated* by Fiskars from China.

 

[mrspeed]

In Europe, I see a lot of Fiskars products made in Finland. Not so much in the US. It's uncommon, in fact. Our market is *dominated* by Fiskars from China.

That's been my experience as well. I remember when I first started seeing people post their Fiskars from Finland here I got excited and thought, how have I never before noticed Fiskars was made in Finland? But since then, I've been looking every time I see them in the store, and I've never yet found anything that wasn't made in China.

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[mr.lemons]

Just searched Amazon com and UK for their standard scissors and they are different.

COM

UK (Marked Finland).

Real shame the US doesn't get the made in Finland ones if they are better quality. I hope they don't start selling the China ones here though I worry they might.

 

[mr.lemons]

Facom 601 compared to Bahco 317

^ Oops, got the Bahco blade the wrong way round in the pic.

Prices for both change a lot but the Facom is generally at least twice the price of the Bahco.

Facom saw is marked 'France.' No COO on the blade. Bahco saw has no COO markings. The blade is marked 'Made in Sweden'.

Both blades are bi-metal 24tpi (teeth per inch).

Only got the Facom yesterday and tried it once so I'm just going off first impressions. The main differences found so far are the weight, ergonomics and the angle of the blade for flush cutting.

Weight. The Facom has a thicker and sturdier frame resulting in quite a bit more heft. The Bahco frame and handle are hollow.

Ergonomics. Hard to show in pics but front handle on the Facom frame feels more comfortable than the Bahco where the adjustment knob gets in the way.

There is a prominent and slightly uncomfortable seam inside the Facom handle and all along the grey plastic.

Facom handle is smooth plastic. Bahco has a textured metal handle.

Flush cut angle. Facom 45 degrees. Bahco 90 degrees.

To me it feels easier to apply force in line with the blade at 45 degrees.

Facom has two blade mounts at each end so when the adjusting knob is loosened the blade can be removed and refitted at each set angle. Bahco has one mount at the front so the knob and bracket have to be removed and reinserted to change the angle of the blade.

 

[Samuel D]

I have the same Facom 601 you have, with the red knob. Also says “FRANCE” on the back of the handle. I think the silver-knob model has a sightly different model number (601.PB versus 601.PG).

Pretty decent little saw. Another difference to the Bahco is that there is less distance from the front of the blade to the front of the saw – occasionally useful when you’re forced to saw near an obstruction.

 

[Qualitytools]

Facom 601 compared to Bahco 317

^ Oops, got the Bahco blade the wrong way round in the pic.

Prices for both change a lot but the Facom is generally at least twice the price of the Bahco.

Facom saw is marked 'France.' No COO on the blade. Bahco saw has no COO markings. The blade is marked 'Made in Sweden'.

Both blades are bi-metal 24tpi (teeth per inch).

Only got the Facom yesterday and tried it once so I'm just going off first impressions. The main differences found so far are the weight, ergonomics and the angle of the blade for flush cutting.

Weight. The Facom has a thicker and sturdier frame resulting in quite a bit more heft. The Bahco frame and handle are hollow.

Ergonomics. Hard to show in pics but front handle on the Facom frame feels more comfortable than the Bahco where the adjustment knob gets in the way.

There is a prominent and slightly uncomfortable seam inside the Facom handle and all along the grey plastic.

Facom handle is smooth plastic. Bahco has a textured metal handle.

Flush cut angle. Facom 45 degrees. Bahco 90 degrees.

To me it feels easier to apply force in line with the blade at 45 degrees.

Facom has two blade mounts at each end so when the adjusting knob is loosened the blade can be removed and refitted at each set angle. Bahco has one mount at the front so the knob and bracket have to be removed and reinserted to change the angle of the blade.

Great write up comparison! Thanks

 

[HRNTK]

I have the same Facom 601 you have, with the red knob. Also says “FRANCE” on the back of the handle. I think the silver-knob model has a sightly different model number (601.PB versus 601.PG).

The difference between them is the model with the red knob is newer than the silver one.

I've broken one, and i replaced it with the guarantee, i still have the broken part.

 

[mr.lemons]

^ Thanks for the info.

Butchered a hedge with a Stihl petrol trimmer today. Probably familiar to gardeners but it's the first time I've seen this warning symbol.

Made in Germany.

 

[mrspeed]

A few new large tools from Germany. A 60mm dead blow hammer and 22mm half inch hex socket from Elora, and a 3/4 inch drive sliding handle bar from Gedore.

The dead blow hammer looks the same as the one sold by halder and gedore among others, but those say made in Austria on them and this clearly says made in Germany. I'm curious who the actual manufacturer of these are, and how you end up with identical hammers made in both Germany and Austria.



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[mr.lemons]

I think Gedore = Habero, Austria.
Halder made in Germany.

Monte post with some info.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4805978&postcount=28

 

[ultgar]

Facom 601.PG 300mm hacksaw.

The handle is marked 'France.' No COO on the blade.

While searching around for a COO for the blade I noticed that the uk.farnell website has the saw listed as made in the UK. Their image of the saw is a little different with possibly a metal knob to remove/adjust the blade. No idea if this is old or just wrong info.

Latest sheet shows the blades coming from "BR" (Brazil?). The USAG version of the 601 is only $2 cheaper than Facom but does have a US warranty.

 

[mr.lemons]

^ Brazil? Interesting thanks.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

// Brief Antique Interruption //

I picked up these shears at the flea market today. I was impressed with the design (love the deep cutlass-like handle guards), the durability of the cutting edges, and the quality of the craftsmanship. They probably open and close with the same precision they did when they left the factory of Herm. Joest & Co. Solingen, Germany, a mfgr that dates back to at least the late 1890's.

They also have a very intriguing logo (see Pic 5).

I see a horsewhip coiled around what appears to be either some kind of beaker with a stopper, or a clasp of some kind (also cavalry related?), or perhaps early ordnance, and what appears to be a date (2 - 16") of February 1916, during WWI.

A colleague sees an antique measuring tape, which would fit the application.

Does anyone happen to know anything about the logo? If so, please share. Thanks.

// End of Brief Antique Interruption //

 

[Troek]

Saw these at a pawn shop here in japan. I found information here as to why they are not green like usual, so i thought I’d share. I thought it was pretty cool they were still in the box!

 

[mr.lemons]

^ Very nice, and welcome to the forum. Think I've read that the blue handles are made for Japan only. Diamond tips?

 

[Troek]

Thanks. And yeah japan does still make a blue handle/diamond tip, but i believe these are the discontinued rocko line.
I have a link to the old brochure but cant post until 5 posts.

 

[Qualitytools]

Saw these at a pawn shop here in japan. I found information here as to why they are not green like usual, so i thought I’d share. I thought it was pretty cool they were still in the box!

Are they stainless steel? Nice find

 

[Troek]

Are they stainless steel? Nice find

Not sure, this is the most info i have found on them outside the few posts in this thread. They are not the light blue stainless that are currently available.
Pic shows up small, ill link to it when i hit 5 posts

 

[Kasal]

torx screwdriver set, witte

 

[mr.lemons]

Matador Z90 3/8 ratchet. MAT 3061 0090

No COO on the box. Ratchet marked 'Made in Germany.' Matador seems to be quite a well known brand here at GJ but I haven't seen many of their tools posted. I don't know if they manufacture their own tools in Germany or outsource/rebrand. I contacted a distributor who said 'As far as we know, all tools and accessories forged by MATADOR are made in Germany.' Wonder why they are not as popular as the other German manufactures.

 

[mr.lemons]

Matador Z90 compared to Facom JL.171

Going back to the Facom after handling the Z90 you really appreciate the finer ergonomics of the Facom. The handle on the Facom smoothly transitions into the beam so there are no shoulders to dig into your hand. The longer handle also provides more to hold onto for more comfort and torque. It's all smooth rounded edges on the Facom and it has a more compact head. The Z90 in comparison feels head heavy, short and awkward to handle. The mechanism on the Z90 however has less back drag than the Facom and feels smoother after a bit of lube.

Note the 'Z90' logo on the handle is wearing off already.

 

[upgrading]

I like that Matador.

 

[anetode]

Given the forging design, the three-component grip and their other shared products, my money's on the Z90s being made by NWS for Matador.

 

[mrspeed]

Matador Z90 3/8 ratchet. MAT 3061 0090

No COO on the box. Ratchet marked 'Made in Germany.' Matador seems to be quite a well known brand here at GJ but I haven't seen many of their tools posted. I don't know if they manufacture their own tools in Germany or outsource/rebrand. I contacted a distributor who said 'As far as we know, all tools and accessories forged by MATADOR are made in Germany.' Wonder why they are not as popular as the other German manufactures.

I have a few Matador tools, but they're all rebranded, so I'm also curious what exactly they make themselves.

The pipe flanging tool says boerdex on it, which I'm guessing is a company that specializes in tools for boerdelgeraet, German for beading, aka flanging for sheet metal and pipes. There's no info I can find online for it though other than other rebranded product listings like the Gedore version on KC Tool.

The hammer has a bunch of marks from whatever company that is rebranded from as well. I've posted it before in this thread.

All the pliers are NWS.

Given the forging design, the three-component grip and their other shared products, my money's on the Z90s being made by NWS for Matador.

That could make sense especially with they're existing relationship for rebranding their pliers.

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[mrspeed]

Forgot to post the picture.




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[mr.lemons]

Given the forging design, the three-component grip and their other shared products, my money's on the Z90s being made by NWS for Matador.

I noticed that the handle looks like NWS' style but didn't think about the forging. All those unnecessary cutouts look very much NWS.

I have a few Matador tools, but they're all rebranded, so I'm also curious what exactly they make themselves.

The distributor may have provided bad info. The Matador website does state that they manufacture in a production site in Remscheid so I assume they make some of their tools. Maybe just sockets, spanners etc. The spanners look like they may be Heyco though.

https://www.matador-webseite.de/index.php/en/en-company/production

 

[JBH]

Fit pliers. I hate to talk badly about a small business, but not I'm not at all impressed with the machining at the cutter blades. They bind and are not smooth at all. These are in the "would not have bought if I could touch first" category. Do not recommend.
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Amazon.de is shipping at least some Sortimo stuff to the US again, such as the new W-boxx.
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Small-gage wire strippers from Elora and Jokari, as well as a bigger Jokari stripper for a portable box:
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Hazet mallet, and Gedore 300g hammer with soft face cap for a niece.
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Interestingly, "DIN 1041" hammers can vary quite a bit in head size. Here, 300g hammers from Elora/OSCA and Gedore:
View media item 93702I had bought Elora because it was super-cheap on Amazon (US), assuming the Gedore 300g soft cap would fit. It is too big, so I had to go back and buy the 300g Gedore.

Hazet beater screwdrivers:
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Stabila and BMI small levels
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[mr.lemons]

^ Shame about the Fit pliers they normally get relatively positive reviews. Would hope for them to be a bit special with all the history behind them.

Curious about the Matador brand so ordered a couple of their 3/8" sockets to try out. They have a smooth satin finish with no obvious defects. Walls are a little thick. Knurling is tactile enough to be functional and it's located in a good place for turning the socket while reaching around the ratchet head. Overall they seem good. No COO on the sockets or packaging. I've emailed Matador to ask where they are made. My guess is Taiwan but would be very happy to be wrong.

 

[upgrading]

Those Hazet screwdrivers with striking cap look good.

 

[rooster4321]

Why do you beat on screwdrivers

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