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mr.lemons

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Nice haul. I looked up those NWS pliers and still don't really know what they are for. Are they for neatening up an edge on folded metal? 'Seaming?'

A VERY nice Record No.5 I bought on ebay, arrived today. !969 Made in England.

Very nice. I think there's something special about finding NOS.

Used eBay purchase.

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Correct. All the pliers were a gift for a very good friend of mine.

He is rebuilding an old american truck. He is tasked with welding many panels. The seaming pliers will allow him to straighten panel edges quickly. The locking pliers are excellent. We already see countless applications for them in his restoration.

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Correct. All the pliers were a gift for a very good friend of mine.

He is rebuilding an old american truck. He is tasked with welding many panels. The seaming pliers will allow him to straighten panel edges quickly. The locking pliers are excellent. We already see countless applications for them in his restoration.

Wow, that looks oddly like my Facom 500 pliers. ;)

Speaking of Facom, I finally have a home for my full set of metric No. 75 angled socket wrenches:
 

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Mirka Deros 5650CV 125/150mm sander with 5mm orbit.
This set comes in a "Systainer" with the tool + cable, a set of 150mm "Abranet" sanding discs with backing pad and pad protector as well as a 125mm set of discs/pad/pad protector. Included is also a bag with a hex key, screws and nuts for adjusting the counterweight depending if you work with the 125 or 150mm pad and if you use the pad protector or not.

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Those Protos are considerably more reasonably priced than the Facom-branded tool. Didn't see a Proto version of the 506As I bought a couple of months ago, but maybe they are on the way. Would be nice.

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The circlip I have only has a 1.5mm opening. Anyone know of a tool that would be proper? Otherwise I would have to just use a pick or something.
 

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So a forum problem caused lots of posts to be lost, including mine. So here we go again...

I was given the Knipex tool roll recently. I'm no expert in judging stitching, but it appears well made. It's all polyester fabric though, so not a luxury item but should be a good user as long as you avoid heat and chemicals. There's a wide range of pocket sizes, from "fits a pen" to "almost a soda can".

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I also got the belt clip tool holder. It's nice, holds two 150mm pliers well, even if one has comfort handles. It can fit longer tools, but it becomes somewhat awkward.
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Also recently bought the Hazet 916HPL, it was only €67 at Amazon.de. I haven't used it for real yet, but it gives a very good first impression.
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And I'm always expanding the stubby driver collection:
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mr.lemons

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Are the Auto Jumbles open in the UK yet ?

My local is listed as returning in September but I'm not sure if it will do. Hope it does as I miss it. There has been no lockdown for me so I'm more than ready for gatherings like these to get going again.

Also recently bought the Hazet 916HPL, it was only €67 at Amazon.de.

I stopped buying ratchets without quick release but the new Hazets may change my mind. They look so good. :drool:

Got vague recollections of asked about this earlier in the thread but does anyone know what the spring thing is on this Bahco spanner? Seems a bit elaborate for attaching a wrist strap too. :dunno:

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My notifications tell me you quoted me. Now I’m curious what it was.

It was a comment on your screwdriver set. Ironside can often be a good source of quality re-brands. Felo screwdrivers and OrbisWill pliers while being not so sought after on the used market.

I stopped buying ratchets without quick release but the new Hazets may change my mind. They look so good. :drool:

Got vague recollections of asked about this earlier in the thread but does anyone know what the spring thing is on this Bahco spanner? Seems a bit elaborate for attaching a wrist strap too. :dunno:

I have changed my mind on quick release. I used to want it but I have gotten more and more comfortable not having it.

As I understand this page: https://www.bahco.com/se_sv/u-ringnyckel-med-sakerhetsfjader-pb_tah111m_.html it's for security tethering when working at an altitude. Spring for the small ones and a loop for the larger ones.
 
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Got vague recollections of asked about this earlier in the thread but does anyone know what the spring thing is on this Bahco spanner? Seems a bit elaborate for attaching a wrist strap too. :dunno:

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Add a plug and you have a heated wrench for winter :D
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Hi there,thanosgp from Greece (49 yrs old G.P./ M.D ,and a passionate motorcyclist since my teens).Been lurking for a while now! Incredible forum with tons of knowledge to obtain.
Can someone please tell me where these Schmoele tools were made.Some Schmoele sockets that i own are stamped made in Germany,these have only the tree logo,no c.o.o.!They seem to be well made in the critical areas,but the finish is ''grainy''.
 

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Nice stubby collection.
The Wera stands out.

My local is listed as returning in September but I'm not sure if it will do. Hope it does as I miss it. There has been no lockdown for me so I'm more than ready for gatherings like these to get going again.
September, long way to go.
 
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Hi there,thanosgp from Greece (49 yrs old G.P./ M.D ,and a passionate motorcyclist since my teens).Been lurking for a while now! Incredible forum with tons of knowledge to obtain.
Can someone please tell me where these Schmoele tools were made.Some Schmoele sockets that i own are stamped made in Germany,these have only the tree logo,no c.o.o.!They seem to be well made in the critical areas,but the finish is ''grainy''.

Welcome! Sorry I don't know about your wrench but glad to have you here
 

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World import tools (Japan) has a press to fit handles onto PB Swiss drivers so you can choose what colour combo you like :)

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What's your favorite stubby out of those?

Well, my full set is of the older Wera type (all black Kraftform style). All round handles are generally not my favourite.

A question for you all:
I got these two Bahco sockets a while ago. But I think they are mis-marked:
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Everything I can find on that item number says that it should be a regular 17mm impact socket, but as you can see it's larger than a 24mm socket. So I'm just assuming it's a misprint, but someone here might have some other idea?
 

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Well, my full set is of the older Wera type (all black Kraftform style). All round handles are generally not my favourite.

A question for you all:
I got these two Bahco sockets a while ago. But I think they are mis-marked:
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Everything I can find on that item number says that it should be a regular 17mm impact socket, but as you can see it's larger than a 24mm socket. So I'm just assuming it's a misprint, but someone here might have some other idea?

I would measure them out and see what size they really are. It night be that these sockets were Escapee's and got caught under the 17mm Stamp (joke) :lol:
 

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Well, my full set is of the older Wera type (all black Kraftform style). All round handles are generally not my favourite.



A question for you all:

I got these two Bahco sockets a while ago. But I think they are mis-marked:

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Everything I can find on that item number says that it should be a regular 17mm impact socket, but as you can see it's larger than a 24mm socket. So I'm just assuming it's a misprint, but someone here might have some other idea?

K7801M is definitely their metric impact socket set according to their catalogue, so not some weird measurement system. Can you weigh them? According to their catalogue, the 17mm socket should weigh 135g. The 24mm socket from that set on the other hand is 180g.

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Fisco tape measures.

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Both 5m/16ft. The PR is more compact than the Tuf Lok and a little more expensive.

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Both have sprung bump stops.

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Made in England.

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The PR tape has 'highly accurate inkjet print' which looks kind of fuzzy in use. :(

Tuf Lok

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PR

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Tuf Lok has a shiny finish.

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PR has more of a textured matt finish.

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Pocket/belt clips.

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Guess I've never really looked at tape measures before as I hadn't noticed that they have a measurement on them. (PR also has a metal hanger to attach a strap).

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So instead of bending the tape into a corner, you can just add 75mm on to the measurement. Feel a bit dumb about not seeing that before.

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Info about classes. (copy/paste)

In Europe, we normally classify measuring tapes in EU Class I and EU Class II. The accuracy is measured at 20°C and 50 N pull force for steel tape and 20°C and 20 N pull force for fibreglass tape.

Your average cheap tapes in the bargain bin of your local DIY store are unclassified. Your average professional tape will be EC Class 2 accurate (all Stanley tapes, for example, are Class 2) but other firms, such as Fisco, focus more on accuracy than durability. Their tapes are, on the whole, Class 1 accurate.


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Something I've never considered is that the tape varies in size depending on the temperature. According to the chart below, these 5m tapes could be up to 1.2mm shorter at 0°C.

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How do they measure out? 27mm?

Yes, they're 27.4mm inside. Regular six point with corner relief.

I would measure them out and see what size they really are. It night be that these sockets were Escapee's and got caught under the 17mm Stamp (joke) :lol:

I think you might be correct. Could explain why two would end up together, some employee took them home instead of throwing them away.

K7801M is definitely their metric impact socket set according to their catalogue, so not some weird measurement system. Can you weigh them? According to their catalogue, the 17mm socket should weigh 135g. The 24mm socket from that set on the other hand is 180g.

Good idea to check the other measurements. They all match up to a 27mm one. So my hypothesis now is that it is a 27mm one that got the wrong marking.
 

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Good idea to check the other measurements. They all match up to a 27mm one. So my hypothesis now is that it is a 27mm one that got the wrong marking.

Then my money is on 200 grams.

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Fisco tape measures.

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Guess I've never really looked at tape measures before as I hadn't noticed that they have a measurement on them. (PR also has a metal hanger to attach a strap).

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A lot of the older US tapes I've owned had big arrows involved, makes it a little more obvious.


I see even the nice European tape measures are also left-handed. Just like all the tapes in the US. Grrr.
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It's never occured to me the tape should be marked upside down- I hold the tape measure in my right hand and run the blade with my left... seems normal to me... :dunno:
 

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I see even the nice European tape measures are also left-handed. Just like all the tapes in the US. Grrr.
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I am left handed and if you use a standard tape in your left hand you end up reading it with the numbers upside down unless you're working vertically, which can be confusing with some numbers. I work with the tape in my right hand quite often to avoid this.
I would say a standard tape is made for right handed use.
 

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It's never occured to me the tape should be marked upside down- I hold the tape measure in my right hand and run the blade with my left... seems normal to me... :dunno:


Righties hold the tape in the left and and run the pencil with the right - the numbers are upside down.

I am left handed and if you use a standard tape in your left hand you end up reading it with the numbers upside down unless you're working vertically, which can be confusing with some numbers. I work with the tape in my right hand quite often to avoid this.
I would say a standard tape is made for right handed use.

As a leftie you drive the pencil with your left hand and the tape with your right. You're walking in tall cotton!







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Huh. Never thought of it that way. I mark stuff left handed, or transfer the tape to my left hand when I'm trying to be really precise . Most of my tape measuring is takeoffs and verifying plansets and whatnot, not marking cuts, though.
 

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New Stanley No 79

Arrived today from England; ebay purchase. One NEW Stanley No. 79 Side Rebate Plane. Made in England. Produced from 1934 to 1994. Nickel plated cast iron.

It's mint.

These are used for trimming the side walls of groves (dadoes, rebates...).

I put it to work already. This morning I was cutting down the width of the plywood cabinet my Festool CMS sits on Cut new rebates in the shortened top and bottom panels with a rebate plane, then used the 79 to adjust the width to a nice fit. Cuts really well.
 

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Huh. Never thought of it that way. I mark stuff left handed, or transfer the tape to my left hand when I'm trying to be really precise . Most of my tape measuring is takeoffs and verifying plansets and whatnot, not marking cuts, though.

Same with me, measure far more often than measure and mark, prefer the tape in my dominant hand for that, only switch it to right hand when using a pencil, quite often scribe marks on masonry materials with the tape hook in the right hand and the tape in the left.
You can't avoid having to read them upside down as you can't always work in the right direction. So if they did print the numbers the other way they would still be upside down a lot of the time.
 

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Some new bits and bobs.

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Hazet 1/4" square to hex.

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Halfords impact 3/8" swivel adapter. (China/Taiwan).

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Hakko soldering tip.

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Habero/Gedore 'American pattern' 20oz claw hammer. Sold as NOS on eBay. Strange to have a Gedore hammer rated in ounces. No COO on the hammer or labels.

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Some new bits and bobs.
Habero/Gedore 'American pattern' 20oz claw hammer. Sold as NOS on eBay. Strange to have a Gedore hammer rated in ounces. No COO on the hammer or labels.

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I quite like that!

I have a couple of Habero hammers and they were all marked with “Germany” on the packing. They are probably a decade old.

And technically, that hammer is an “English pattern” not an “American pattern”, but I wouldn’t expect Habero to know that!
 
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