Tools from the old world

[JR 42]

Took a photo. But the problem is I can't post a photo. The trip needs to be laid out on the cloud and only then from the cloud insert a link to the photo. Will you tell me what service is easiest to upload a photo?

You can attach pics via direct upload from a PC or phone or whatever after 5 posts IIRC, but they need to be on the device- hit "go advanced" in the reply box at the bottom of the thread and use the paperclip icon 4th from the left on the top row. The upside is that the pics are stored on the GJ server instead of a photo hosting service that might change its TOS in the future (like, say, Photobucket). It'll look like this this post.

You can link post from cloud/ online/ hotlink hosting using the bottom row button that looks like mountains with yellow sky- you'll need to cut and paste the URL for each image and put it in the prompt box. I don't use cloud storage or photo hosting and don't have a specific recommendation aside from avoiding Photobucket (dickheads) and imgur (doesn't work well with this forum software)

 

[frankieg]

Thor rubber hammer

 

[mr.lemons]

Took a photo. But the problem is I can't post a photo.

I use postimage and find it quick and simple.

Lensdump gets recommended over postimage if you want to keep the full size of your images as they don't compress them. I find postimage easier so stick with it.

As posted above, you should be able to post pics on the forum after a few more posts anyway.

 

[mr.lemons]

Knipex Knips. Just wondering if there is any reason to choose INOX tool steel over the harder steel? The price difference is negligible.

 

[measuredtwice]

Knipex Knips. Just wondering if there is any reason to choose INOX tool steel over the harder steel? The price difference is negligible.

Maybe if you need corrosion resistance??

I posted this deal a while back and he raised the price from $19 to $23 after Garagejournal flooded him with orders. He's been relisting them for at least a couple years and the price has creeped up but they're $200 cutters. The tips are carbide and the rest is stainless. Highly recommend them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202976287914

Edit: looks like he's charging too much for shipping to the UK. Might be cheaper to use a mail forwarding service.

 

[mr.lemons]

There are some Swanstrom cutters available on UK ebay. I think they maybe cheaper models but still look good. £100 on amazon

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/cranium....jPUAAOSwNmJcmO27&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

 

[measuredtwice]

There are some Swanstrom cutters available on UK ebay. I think they maybe cheaper models but still look good. £100 on amazon

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/cranium....jPUAAOSwNmJcmO27&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

https://i.postimg.cc/Jn6fQS58/edrtuhjertujerdtujtye.jpg

If any of them have a carbide cutter, then grab them. Once you use carbide, you'll be spoiled and won't want to use any other flush cutter. Tronex also has some with carbide cutters --they look so similar to the Swanstrom they may be made in the same factory. I haven't tried their regular steel cutters but I do have a couple of their mid range precision pliers and they are good for precision electronics work.

 

[neophyte]

Knipex Knips. Just wondering if there is any reason to choose INOX tool steel over the harder steel? The price difference is negligible.

If you’re cutting stainless steel, or some other metals that aren’t designed to corrode, regular ferrous steel cutters can leave traces of ferrous steel behind, which can cause rust on the stainless steel you cut.
This can be removed with acids or other treatments, but the easier solution is to just use stainless cutters, which eliminates the need for the extra cleaning steps.
I believe this is one of the main reasons for all the stainless/inox tools that different German and other Euro tool manufacturers produc. Like the stainless screwdrivers and hex wrenches that everybody now manufactures.

The other possible reason for stainless tools, is if those tools are produced in Pakistan.
I doubt this would be the case for Knipex, but a large amount of surgical tools get produced in Pakistan. The same Pakistani tool manufacturers also produce tools for the jewelry trade, and for other industries, and they mostly seem to just use the same stainless alloys for the non medical tools, probably just gor supply chain efficiency.

 

[hautpot]

ugh those Pakistan tools can't withstand autoclave cycles.... the real stuff is made by steritool and a few other vendors.

I have had a chance to hold some Steritool equipment. Impeccable machining and finishing, albeit a little overpriced in my opinion.

 

[JR 42]

I've been watching some poor ******* on craigslist slowly mark down a set of Steritool SAE DOE wrenches for the last six months or so... he's down to about $450 these days. Makes Berylco stuff look affordable.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/tls/d/seattle-steritool-stainless-7pc-open/7169180498.html

ETA, I'd love to own a surgical grade Trimo- style pipe wrench... and MSRP is $682 - 1,232 depending on size... reason number forty- seven why I can't do surgery at home, I guess.

 

[mr.lemons]

If any of them have a carbide cutter, then grab them.

Just been looking at their website. I think all the carbide cutters have a 'C' in the model number so no go. Weird how the website doesn't say how long the cutters are, unless I missed it. The snips you linked look like an awesome deal.

If you’re cutting stainless steel, or some other metals that aren’t designed to corrode, regular ferrous steel cutters can leave traces of ferrous steel behind, which can cause rust on the stainless steel you cut.

Thanks for the info. Didn't know INOX was stainless (should have Googled it ).

 

[mr.lemons]

Stahlwille 'Mechanics oblique cutter.'

I somehow hadn't seen that this design was available for cutters. I really like this design for needle/snipe nose pliers. Fine tips but with longer handles for extra reach and better fit for larger hands. Was excited to try them.

Not sure what is specifically 'oblique' about them compared to other side cutters.









Good match to similarly designed Knipex 28 21 200 which I like a lot.



Compared to standard length cutters that have similar (bit finer) size tips.



The extra reach is quite significant when trying to get into small spaces.





Awesome cutters? Let's see how they cut cable ties.







Unfortunately, the cutting edges don't close together properly. Squeezing just flexes the handles. They will not cut completely through wires or cable ties along about half the cutters.



Also, the cutting edges feel dull but the edges I've highlighted here shred the skin on my finger tips.





I know faulty pliers isn't a big deal, and they are from Amazon so easy to return/exchange but these are my first Stahlwille pliers/cutters, so I'm a bit disappointed. My first VBW failure. Tempted to regrind them but there's no returning them after that.

If anyone knows of any similar, fine(ish) tipped long handled or long reach cutters, preferably flush or close to flush cut, please let me know. Looking more for electronics than mechanics type. Thanks.

 

[Ganymedes]

Facom wrench set finally arrived. Ordered it from the UK on May 18. Looks like it was stuck in customs for a couple of weeks. Unsurprisingly, no COO on the tools or the packaging. 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18 and 19.

Reed-Prince,
My" pipehead "75 wrenches, bought in 1978, (not OGV) are all marked France.
B.t.w. The United Kingdom is about the most expensive country to buy Facom tools! Try the Netherlands or Belgium in the future. Even France is expensive! Kind regards.

 

[mr.lemons]

Some solder tips from Aliexpress and Vessel 220s.

The Vessel were ordered in May and just came today from Japan.

Don't need any more drivers but really want to see what all the fuss is about with Vessel. Briefly had a set of Megadora 900s but didn't give them a fair go. The ball grips feel a little awkward and slow to spin on first impression but I'm interested to see if I like them over time.

 

[StHaGe]

Hazet 798/12

 

[neophyte]

Stahlwille 'Mechanics oblique cutter.'

I somehow hadn't seen that this design was available for cutters. I really like this design for needle/snipe nose pliers. Fine tips but with longer handles for extra reach and better fit for larger hands. Was excited to try them.

Not sure what is specifically 'oblique' about them compared to other side cutters.

Good match to similarly designed Knipex 28 21 200 which I like a lot.

Compared to standard length cutters that have similar (bit finer) size tips.

The extra reach is quite significant when trying to get into small spaces.

Awesome cutters? Let's see how they cut cable ties.

Unfortunately, the cutting edges don't close together properly. Squeezing just flexes the handles. They will not cut completely through wires or cable ties along about half the cutters.

Also, the cutting edges feel dull but the edges I've highlighted here shred the skin on my finger tips.

I know faulty pliers isn't a big deal, and they are from Amazon so easy to return/exchange but these are my first Stahlwille pliers/cutters, so I'm a bit disappointed. My first VBW failure. Tempted to regrind them but there's no returning them after that.

If anyone knows of any similar, fine(ish) tipped long handled or long reach cutters, preferably flush or close to flush cut, please let me know. Looking more for electronics than mechanics type. Thanks.

It’s actually possible the reason the cutters don’t meet properly, is the fault of the chrome plating.
I can’t say for certain, but chrome adds enough thickness to the cutters that tolerances can be affected, and it’s possible VBW just grabs unplated cutters off the shelf and plates them when they need a chrome batch, rather than adjusting the machining.

 

[mr.lemons]

You may be right. Think this has come up before and German tool reviews talked about it. Plated cutting edges are not the best at cutting. Shame I cannot find any VBW 538 to try at a reasonable price.

Any excuse to play with a macro tube. Not sure if it's uneven chrome or ground badly. Couple of passes with a file would probably sort it but don't want to f it up.

 

[Dave455]

Don't need any more drivers but really want to see what all the fuss is about with Vessel. Briefly had a set of Megadora 900s but didn't give them a fair go. The ball grips feel a little awkward and slow to spin on first impression but I'm interested to see if I like them over time.

Vessel drivers are halfway decent. I’ve seen that pattern around, and can see how that “ball grip” might work well on terminal screws.

I have a couple of the “Power Grip” style with the hard acetate handles. Very nice, and I like the way they use different colours to denote the different tips, but they don’t seem to import the Torx or hex into the U.K. These are Japanese made though.

 

[Monte]

I saw a utub vid comparison on 3M Cubitron recently, it looked like the duck's guts. Way more durable than the Festool of Mirka equivalents. Have been meaning to source some.

I do have the Festool Granat paper too and i think it´s not bad. Do you have a link ?

Stahlwille 'Mechanics oblique cutter.'

What happens if you cut closer to the joint ?
Did you think about sending them in to Stahlwille UK for inspection ?










small Hymer ladder

 

[upgrading]

I wonder when that started ?
Quite disappointing seeing that image.

 

[Dave455]

I wonder when that started ?
Quite disappointing seeing that image.

As far as a I’m aware those particular drivers have always been made in Thailand.

The remainder of the range, as far as I’ve seen, are all made in Japan.

 

[mr.lemons]

What happens if you cut closer to the joint ?
Did you think about sending them in to Stahlwille UK for inspection ?

They cut ok close to the joint.

No, hadn't thought about contacting Stahlwille. I assumed it would be best to deal with the seller. + feel a bit sulky about them now so don't really want another pair.

 

[measuredtwice]

I usually avoid plated cutters because they don't cut as well as bare steel. But I do have some plated cutters (got a deal) from Knipex that close evenly and have a much better looking grind on the edge --cuts fine though not as good as unplated. I think I'd also shop around for a different one.

I have the Made in Japan ball grip with exchangeable blades. They're fugly but handy to have around. The handle seems odd at first but you get used to it. It's easy on the joints and I like it more and more as it gets used. I use it around the house and keep the +2/-6 blade in it --that takes care of common stuff.

 

[Kandyman]

JR 42 Thanks for the thorough response. You have to go out a little more in order to get the right amount to post your photos directly.

 

[mr.lemons]

Bit of an amendment to previous comments. VBW 583010 are also plated, I wrongly assumed they were polished.

 

[Kandyman]

Finally, I got my five messages and I hope I can post my photos. I hope it's interesting.

 

[Dave455]

Bit of an amendment to previous comments. VBW 583010 are also plated, I wrongly assumed they were polished.

I believe VBW are owned by Stahlwille now, and their lines seem to be almost identical other than red grips on the VBW and green in the Stahlwille.

To be honest, I’ve always found VBW to be a bit “hit or miss” compared to other manufacturers.

Some of their older tools are very nice, particularly the all chromed pliers, which they continued to offer after a lot of other makers had discontinued them.

I don’t generally like chromed cutters, but I made an exception for these. The quality is first class, and I can carry them in my work coat pocket without worrying about corrosion. I also have the long nose pliers, which I used outside in all weathers, every day for 3 years! Good tools.

I pretty much stopped buying VBW / Stahlwille pliers when they switched to the dog rough textured grips. Less pleasant tools to use I’ve never found. A great example of a “designer” coming up with something that he thinks is great, but has obviously never used the tool. Awful to use and impossible to clean.

 

[mr.lemons]

Stahlwille took over VBW in 2001 according to Wiki.

I've had good experience with VBW. Had a few pliers/cutters from them, and they all had great fit and finish. No issues until this pair. I also like the textured grips, they feel the same as Cobra handles to me and find they provide much better grip with sweaty/oily hands compared to smooth dipped handles. Agree, they are dirt magnets. Not sure why textured metal handles went out of favour.

 

[Jack84]

Doesn’t VBW have two product lines, the ones with a yellow dot being more expensive?


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[mr.lemons]

Seams I'm not very observant as I've never noticed the yellow dot even though it's part of their logo and tag line.

 

[hautpot]

Cut down Wiha 6mm T-handle for my new vise.

 

[Reed Prince]

Have a Yamaha mixer on my bench today, and that gave me an opportunity to compare Wiha and PB Swiss precision 2mm hex drivers. The PB had a slightly better fit.

On the JIS Philips screws, the PB lost out to the Vessel.

 

[Avenging Bankroll]

nothing

 

[Kandyman]

Here are some more photos of the tools. I think it'll be interesting.

 

[mr.lemons]

^ Cool spanners. Made in Yugoslavia.

 

[Kandyman]

Not only Yugoslavia. I have a lot of keys. Accumulated over time. There are those that I myself do not know whose. For example, MEGA keys. Quality is good but whose I don't know. It will be necessary to take a photo and post.

 

[voodooaw]

Got some new stahlwille drivers, they are marked as VSM parallel slotted tips. I put Wera and PB there for comparison.
Look at the laser marking and defected mould injection, German quality. No wonder even Hazet is moving away from Witte.
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[voodooaw]

Some comparison between different types of slotted drivers. The Stahlwille 3K handle is surprisingly light compared to other screwdrivers of similar size.
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[glenng]

hey voodooaw, I can't see any of your attachments in either of your posts.

 

[alcorelli]

hey voodooaw, I can't see any of your attachments in either of your posts.

Same.
No pics.

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