Tools from the old world

[Cynical huckster]

Spanish made Izar M2,5x0,45 machine taps. Size always matters

 

[Monte]

All that cutting with just the one batt ?

It needed 2 of the 4 dots of the battery gauge.






BGS Technic 9411 dent repair tool set

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Hey gang, it's me with another periodically annoying vintage tool question!

I'm stumped in a number of ways on this tool.

The name and function, for starters. The blades on all the vintage snips and shears (e.g., tinners', pruning, etc) I am familiar with, whether straight, curved, or combination cut, do not meet. They pass each other. You can see how these work, with the cutting blade ("HOLLOW GROUND", as its proclaimed) meeting the flat brass piece on the other jaw like a stop. I'd almost think the brass piece was a mod the way it is affixed almost like an after thought, if it wasn't for the patent number (N54464) on it. I have never seen vintage snips like this before.

As you can see, it has a volute spring. Nicely knurled handle. Feels good in the hand. This is a well-built tool. (The first Italian tool I have ever brought home, to be honest.)

But again, I'm not really sure what they are, and I have had no luck with the "SW" (manufacturer?) or the patent number. It doesn't show up in Google Patents and I fear I am not well enough versed in using ESPACE to search it properly.

Comments? Thoughts?

 

[alcorelli]

Looks like pruning shears.
my wife's the landscape designer would probably shoot me for saying that. I believe she refers to them as anvil, a pruning and vital cutter or something or other. Anyway something for trees and weeds and stuff

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[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks for the input. I have some old Pexto pruning shears and they have curved blades, no anvil.

 

[alcorelli]

There are different types of pruning shears. Some stuff needs to get cut against an anvil, and some stuff is bypass. I'm not saying that that's what it is, just that my wife has all different kinds of cutters for different kinds of plants.

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[Tunar]

As a professional landscaper here, those look like old anvil style hand pruners. Some gardeners suggest Anvil styles have their purpose, but for over 30 years in the mid Atlantic I've used felco #2 bypass pruners and can't think of a situation where that style would be better.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks. Good to know. I wasn't disagreeing with you, alcarelli, just explaining my experience with them, limited to those types, which is what I have seen in old catalogs as well. I will see if I can find other examples of the anvil type.

Thanks, tunar.

 

[Monte]

Anvil pruning shears are still very common:
https://www.original-lowe.com/shears/pruners/anvil-pruning-shears.html
They cut harder dry wood easier with less recoil.

 

[Qualitytools]

Anvil pruning shears are still very common:
https://www.original-lowe.com/shears/pruners/anvil-pruning-shears.html
They cut harder dry wood easier with less recoil.

Learned something new, thanks Monte for sharing

 

[mr.lemons]

Looks like Hazet hiper ratchets are now available with quick release. Yes please.

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[littlebean]

Any advice on good drill sets to get?
Looking at Alpen or Izar (if I can find them in the UK)
After replacing all my old (30 years and knackered) stuff so metal, masonry and wood plus wood countersink

 

[Dave455]

Any advice on good drill sets to get?
Looking at Alpen or Izar (if I can find them in the UK)
After replacing all my old (30 years and knackered) stuff so metal, masonry and wood plus wood countersink

Yes, loads!

For metalwork, Presto, Guhring or the Izar you are considering are all first class choices. What metal are you drilling? If it’s mild steel or low volumes the HSS work just fine. Repetitive drilling or harder alloys benefit from something better. A lower cost (but still good) choice would be Ruko

I get most of mine from “Drill Services” in Horley. If in doubt just chat to them. Easy to deal with. They keep Izar.

For masonry, only the tip needs to be decent, and I’m not convinced there’s a lot between the different makes. I use Bosch and have no problems. SDS for most masonry drilling, and also the “multi material” bits for conventional chucks.

For woodwork, I’ve found some of the supposedly specialist wood bits (Bosch) to be absolutely dreadful. They tear the holes. I use regular HSS bits, but keep a different set for wood, and don’t use them on metal so they stay sharp. The “mid price” Ruko are good for this, but I’ve been happy with some lower price Reisser that I’ve been using.

 

[garfieldzzz]

If you need good wood ones go for Famag

 

[littlebean]

thanks - just general odd jobs with the metal ones but i got so fed up with how bad mine were (polished the surface rather than drilled through it) i decided it was time to invest in something decent, for wood again occasional stuff but the same thought process

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Learned something new, thanks Monte for sharing

Maybe my "SW" Italy snips aren't even that old, although they look and feel old to me. I will have to use them in the garden this year and feel more cultured as I snip.

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Picked up these calipers at a flea market (swap meet, boot sale) yesterday. Please excuse the blighted box rot stains. It was horribly afflicted with rust. Its most interesting feature, and its sole reason for me having purchased it, is the immediate postwar (1946-1949) "Western Zone" marking. Before the Bonn Republic or FRG was formed.

 

[wtn1271]

I learned somewhere that anvil type pruners are for cutting dead wood and bypass type are used for cutting live growth. My experience confirms this.....YMMV. I think the anvil type "crush and chop" whereas the bypass "shear". Long handle loppers come in both types too although bypass seem be the most common. I always look for the anvil type at estates sales and such.

 

[alcorelli]

As a professional landscaper here, those look like old anvil style hand pruners. Some gardeners suggest Anvil styles have their purpose, but for over 30 years in the mid Atlantic I've used felco #2 bypass pruners and can't think of a situation where that style would be better.

My wife must have 15 pair of those felco pruners. And she's religious about wiping them off with a bleach wipe and then a wet washcloth between each plant, so it doesn't transfer any disease or whatever between plants! Holy **** I didn't think those things were that well known.

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[alcorelli]

Thanks. Good to know. I wasn't disagreeing with you, alcarelli, just explaining my experience with them, limited to those types, which is what I have seen in old catalogs as well. I will see if I can find other examples of the anvil type.

Thanks, tunar.

I didn't take it as you were disagreeing with me. No harm no foul. We're all here to learn and have fun.

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[mr.lemons]

Just missed out on a set of Gedore 33F flexible nut drivers on Ebay. Price went higher than I was willing to pay. Nice looking drivers.

 

[mr.lemons]

Another file + file handles + Facom locking extension + Wera hex.



Bahco 150mm round file + two handles.





File packaging marked 'Made in Portugal.' No COO on the handles. (Edit, I have since seen some handles in packaging marked 'Made in Portugal.')



Really like the handles. They are grippy and lightweight. They make two different handles. One for hand/flat etc and one for round/square etc.





Cheapo handle for needle files.



Looks and feels a bit ****. Triangular shape does not work very well with files imho. Seems to always feel like it's not on quite straight. Threads on the chuck are rough. Does work though. No COO.





Kennedy file handle. I assume this is a generic handle available from other brands as well. Nothing special. Feels really fat to me. Maybe good for guys with enormous hands.





Python wooden file handles.



These are cheap, but get recommended on UK forums as being better quality than the unbranded cheap wooden handles.

'Python safety file handles are designed with a ferrule spun into the wooden handle, which together with a hidden spring, prevents splitting.'



The medium-sized handles are stamped 'Made in England.' No COO on the small and large sizes.



Facom 1/4" 150mm locking extension.

No COO on tool or packaging. Textured matt/satin finish. Ordered click and collect from Machine mart in Dec, and they only just got it in. Must be a long way to France. A little overpriced, but I already have one in 100mm and like it a lot.



Collar thickness/clearance compared to a bit socket.



Wera hex driver + hex bits.

Been using a Wera 3mm hex bit for a couple of weeks and find that hex plus seems to work really well. Impressed enough to buy these few more items to try. Not used enough yet to know how well they will hold up over time.







CZ on the driver label. No COO on the bits.



Didn't need one in the end, but bought another Wiha extension.



The end doesn't fall off this one, but the finish is not great. Machine gouges around the bit holder and shiny areas. Not the end of the world, but these inconsistencies do not give me much faith in their Taiwan made tools.

 

[Vicks]

Knipex made in china / Asia ?

Couple of weeks ago, i was at my local tool shop browsing the aisles of Knipex and Wera tools (as i can usually be found spending my spare time) and noticed that there were a few new tools on the Knipex stand which did not have the "Made in Germany" marking on the packing. These tools (wire stripper, crimping tool etc) were next to those which had the COO marked prominently on the packing (all sorts of pliers and regular hand tools).

To me, if a German manufacturer has not put the COO prominently on a product, then it means its not made in Germany/Europe anymore.

Thoughts ?

 

[TjoFrasse]

Knipex made in china / Asia ?

Couple of weeks ago, i was at my local tool shop browsing the aisles of Knipex and Wera tools (as i can usually be found spending my spare time) and noticed that there were a few new tools on the Knipex stand which did not have the "Made in Germany" marking on the packing. These tools (wire stripper, crimping tool etc) were next to those which had the COO marked prominently on the packing (all sorts of pliers and regular hand tools).

To me, if a German manufacturer has not put the COO prominently on a product, then it means its not made in Germany/Europe anymore.

Thoughts ?

As far as I know Knipex marks all the tools they make themselves as "Made in Germany", but some of the OEM made tools don't have that. That doesn't mean that the OEMs are China though. For example the scissors are for Italy, screwdrivers from Slovenia and the pipe cutters are from Spain.

 

[mr.lemons]

NOS Rahsol socket case.

The Rahsol name for handtools (except torque wrenches) was discarded years ago and replaced with the "Carolus" name. They are the lower end line of Gedore , the Rahsol tools were made in germany but with a cheaper finish (no completly deburring/grinding of the wrenches, sockets without knurling etc.) , the carolus stuff is mixed import/german made (sockets import, wrenches made here i heard)

If anyone is interested, there is a guy on UK ebay selling these for £12.50 (accepted £11 offer). The socket tray lifts out, so the box can be used for general storage,

 

[Dgb]

My father has a set of Rahsol metric sockets in the same case. The ratchet is a bit rudimentary but the sockets themselves and the extension bars are all solid stuff and I’d rate them better than Carolus stuff I’ve seen and used.

 

[Monte]

Knipex made in china / Asia ?

Couple of weeks ago, i was at my local tool shop browsing the aisles of Knipex and Wera tools (as i can usually be found spending my spare time) and noticed that there were a few new tools on the Knipex stand which did not have the "Made in Germany" marking on the packing. These tools (wire stripper, crimping tool etc) were next to those which had the COO marked prominently on the packing (all sorts of pliers and regular hand tools).

To me, if a German manufacturer has not put the COO prominently on a product, then it means its not made in Germany/Europe anymore.

Thoughts ?

Knipex 97-22-240 Crimping Pliers are from Taiwan.
Knipex 16-30-135 Stripper is from England
You can check the COO for most items here: www.kctoolco.com
But i think like 99,5% of the Knipex tools are made in Germany.

 

[Nigelhirst]

Anvil pruning shears are still very common:
https://www.original-lowe.com/shears/pruners/anvil-pruning-shears.html
They cut harder dry wood easier with less recoil.

Thanks Monte!

 

[Kedukettu]

Bought some shafts for couple hammerheads i have lying around, surprised that undereath Wurth label lies original Picard sticker made in Germany. Nice surprise, The hammers are 2kg Finnish Billnäs and 1,8kg danish DSI


Lähetetty minun S62 Pro laitteesta Tapatalkilla

 

[tocosta]

Altas pliers,made in Austria. Couldn't resist, on sale with 25 % discount on sticker price.

Anyone familiar with the brand?

 

[Kedukettu]

Quick google got 404. The logo after altas name refers to Gedore/Rahsol. And the Austria as manufacturer country, is where Gedore nowadays produces their pliers.

 

[tocosta]

Quick google got 404. The logo after altas name refers to Gedore/Rahsol. And the Austria as manufacturer country, is where Gedore nowadays produces their pliers.

Thank you Kedukettu. So it's Gedore . More than happy with it for the price.

Regards

 

[Kedukettu]

Thank you Kedukettu. So it's Gedore . More than happy with it for the price.

Regards

Always happy to help.

 

[gorskikotar]

Cant find anything about this. Anyone has idea of value and manufacturer?

 

[Dave455]

Cant find anything about this. Anyone has idea of value and manufacturer?

That could have a fair degree of age to it.

In the U.K. square / split dies were made from the Victorian era through to the early part of the 20th century.

There were various makers including Presto, Accles and Pollock, and even Joseph Whitworth himself! The style of die in your set is very similar to the early Presto.

I’m pretty certain your set isn’t British made though. Most British made sets in that era would be in Whitworth sizes not Metric, and your box looks much newer than most I’ve seen.

I suspect therefore, that it’s a European made set, and perhaps newer than it’s British equivalent. I don’t recognise the logo.

I last used similar tools “in anger” maybe 15 years ago. I was helping a friends neighbour make some adjuster screws for some agricultural equipment, and he produced an similar set. It worked just fine, despite being probably even older than he was!

 

[gorskikotar]

Thank you Dave. Yes, I am from Croatia, so it is most probably produced in Europe, and Im pretty sure it is most probably 20 or 30+ years old, but just cant find any info on the manufacturer.
One more time, thank you for the answer.

 

[Kandyman]

gorskikotar if you can post a high resolution photo. I'm going to have something similar. At one time I was also looking for information about this manufacturer. And if I'm not mistaken this logo I may know. The truth is the quality of your set is much better than what I have. That's why I ask for pictures of greater resolution and quality

 

[gorskikotar]

Here you go Kandyman I hope quality is ok, if no, tell me I will try better. Btw, how much do you this this is worth?

 

[mr.lemons]

Google images show some other tools with this brand. The drill box this pic came from is also marked 'Italy,' so possibly an Italian brand.

 

[gorskikotar]

That has sense, Croatia borders with Italy. But I dont understand how I cant find anything about this brand.

 

[Reed Prince]

I found an old eBay listing for a U. I. T. & F. tool and the seller thought it was from the 1950s or 1960s.

I also found the profile of this man.



https://it.linkedin.com/in/giuseppetavolazzi

So it seems that U. I. T. & F. is in some way connected to Utensileria Schneider S.r.l.
Maybe Giuseppe L. Tavolazzi would be willing to give you some information.