Tools from the old world

[Monte]

I know that Carolus belongs to Gedore, but is it made in Germany ?

sorry forgot to mention in my other reply that the Carolus torque wrenches are also from germany. The locking pliers look 1:1 like the Gedore ones (see pic below, 3rd Carolus, 4th Gedore) so i think they`re from Austria also not impossible for a price of 14,40 + tax for the 10" version.
The Carolus tool boxes looks like "Metec". For the price of the pin punches they could be easily made here, but I´m not shure, when i talked to a former Carolus employee we mostly talked about the sockets + wrenches and Gedore stuff. The hammer with plastic heads say "Germany" on the cast part. The recoilless plastic hammer could be from Gedore too.
But at least the prices are fair, for 1/4" sockets you pay between 1,21 € ( 4mm) to 1,43 ( 14mm) (+ tax) or 1/2" sockets are between 2,19 € ( 10mm) to 5,39 (32mm) (+ tax). Click


Edit: just found the new Carolus tools, locking pliers now imported, water pump pliers import, new pliers and VDE tools look imported too. click

PS: overview with prices: click

Carolus (Gedore Torcoflex) torque wrench

Carolus Rastoflex

 

[Monte]

Some NOS Gedore tools from ebay..:

stud remover

inside caliper

outside caliper

and some nice looking pliers

....and a 100 gram hammer, 2mm punch, mushroom head and slotted screwdriver socket.

 

[JayL]

That Gedore hammer sure looks prettier than a Unior.

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte, congratulation for ebay stuffs, i like this old school Gedore plier.

 

[tonydanzah]

fantastico

 

[The Muffin Man]

Not your average tool, but from the 'Old World' nonetheless

Some NWS pliers that I bought from our resident NWS dealer, QuattroJon...

 

[wxm]

My vise #1:

Another one:

 

[superautobacs]

@WXM,

This post has woken me up....

Welcome to the thread!

IFAIK, Dunlap was sold exclusively through Sears Roebuck and Co. as an economy line of hand tools in the olden days. I think your post marks the first Craftsman/Sears tool in this thread.
Old it is...but not quite from the "Old World".




@Muffinman

Did you source the NWS stuff from QuattroJon because the price was better than HIPA, in Canada?

 

[superautobacs]

Nice stuff!

I think I see an overall similarity between this Austrian made pliers and your NOS Hazet pliers. Assuming Hazet was producing their own pliers, was the design/shape according to some DIN standard of the time or just some coincidence? ....or did companies simply copy one another's designs?

 

[superautobacs]

....

Some tools yes. Wrenches, the pliers (?), some extensions. Sockets from China (formerly Japan), the flex-head ratchets - handle from germany , head from Taiwan.

Sourced from RareStar

I wonder if they supply the 72-toothed ReadyFlex ratchet heads as well?

EDIT:
Wizard1 posted this some time ago. ....also a RareStar item.

What an odd looking lookin wrench.

 

[The Muffin Man]

Superautobacs,

HIPA? I've never heard of the place

QuattroJon's prices I thought were very reasonable though I don't really have any other price to compare to as NWS's pliers are awefully hard to come by in the states.

The Fantastico Plus cost me $42usd, and the combination pliers were $30usd.


Edit: found the reference to HIPA on page 71 .

 

[superautobacs]

@MuffinMan

Thanks for that info. Prices are quite a bit different.
Shipping from UK costs much?

 

[The Muffin Man]

@MuffinMan

Thanks for that info. Prices are quite a bit different.
Shipping from UK costs much?

You are most welcome! The two pliers cost $15 to ship in a medium size envelope.

 

[Monte]

That Gedore hammer sure looks prettier than a Unior.

That´s right !! i agree !!

@AutomatiquE
Thanks !! me too !


@The Muffin Man
nice generator + NWS pliers !!!

(PS: is it true that every american household has a generator because blackouts are common ? )



@superautobacs
welcome back !

yes they are yery similar. I don´t know maybe this design was "in" at a certain time like "bell-bottoms" or so
The same nowadays. If you look at european sidecutter designs or combination pliers etc.

"Tracht-Odenthal" still makes them like that

Similarities between VBW and Knipex. The high leverage side cutters from them also look nearly identical.

overview with different designs

Similarities between Gedore and Beta here, VBW and Knipex. NWS with a slightly different design, Bahcoo completely different. "Orbis" and "Will" also look like Gedore.

Sourced from RareStar


I wonder if they supply the 72-toothed ReadyFlex ratchet heads as well?

EDIT:
Wizard1 posted this some time ago. ....also a RareStar item.

What an odd looking lookin wrench.

ahaha they even say "Carolus".... yeah maybe the heads too and the Carolus ratcheting wrenches ?? Carolus was the first one IIRC who introduced the forged ratcheting wrenches "Gear wrech" style here in germany.

the "composite" wrench looks tooo odd. Maybe its a eco-friendly wrench so you can recycle metal and plastic separately ?

 

[superautobacs]

@superautobacs

yes they are yery similar. I don´t know maybe this design was "in" at a certain time like "bell-bottoms" or so
The same nowadays. If you look at european sidecutter designs or combination pliers etc.

Thanks for the comparison shots.

Yeah, it's the truth isn't it: there's always a trendy design for anything.

This company defies all trends though : ODÜR-“Fit” Pliers

Still in production:

Current store display unit, continuing the vintage look:

I think it's just too cool.

ahaha they even say "Carolus".... yeah maybe the heads too and the Carolus ratcheting wrenches ?? Carolus was the first one IIRC who introduced the forged ratcheting wrenches "Gear wrech" style here in germany.

the "composite" wrench looks tooo odd. Maybe its a eco-friendly wrench so you can recycle metal and plastic separately ?

I`ve seen the Carolus rat. wrenches and they`re not stainless steel like the RareStar 72-T models are. So, must be from somewhere else. I don`t recognize the reversing switch so I have no clue.

An eco-friendly tool eh....reminds me of Vessel`s eco-friendly screwdriver with recyclable blade and handle. Trend of the future?

 

[Monte]

lol yeah the "Odür-Fit" pliers are pretty old school !
with the translucent handle and the packaging...
i think i need one

But there is also a new school version (from Elora)

btw. old school packaging:

Pliers somehow don`t match their package ?!?

I`ve seen the Carolus rat. wrenches and they`re not stainless steel like the RareStar 72-T models are. So, must be from somewhere else. I don`t recognize the reversing switch so I have no clue.

An eco-friendly tool eh....reminds me of Vessel`s eco-friendly screwdriver with recyclable blade and handle. Trend of the future?

it seems the carolus wrenches are unique ??? Please dear manufacturer contact me if you produce them !

I think yes, the chrome plating already changed to environmental friendly plating, the Vessel screwdrivers, all the electric power tools already have the "plastic-codes" molded in the housing and plastic parts so the different plastics can be recycled etc. Why not , if the quality is there, and workplaces are created ?

 

[superautobacs]

Funny how simply slipping on a new pair of "shoes" makes them look instantly current and fashionable.

I love the old packagings; hate the new blister packagings!

 

[Monte]

Funny how simply slipping on a new pair of "shoes" makes them look instantly current and fashionable.

ready for the 21. century !

I love the old packagings; hate the new blister packagings!

me too !




"Bertool" screwdrivers

 

[superautobacs]

Hrmm Witte screwdrivers....but the brand name

Is Bertool a company no longer in existence, bought out, or still sold under Stahlwille's economy line?

 

[epiphany]

"Bertool" screwdrivers

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/174/bertool001.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1435/bertool006.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7471/bertool007.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8595/bertool005.jpg

did you pay 15,55€ for them? i wanted them, too, but my bidding was too late. i love the 1/2" bertool ratchet ...

 

[Monte]

Hrmm Witte screwdrivers....but the brand name

"Bertool" once a plier manufacturer, brandname of the company "Haaner Zangenwerk, Paul Berrenberg", the brand name "Bertool" was introduced in 1933, but the company already existed before.

Is Bertool a company no longer in existence, bought out, or still sold under Stahlwille's economy line?

I don´t know the exact history/story. No infos in the net....
The "Bertool" economy line no longer exist says Stahlwille . There is still a PDF catalog on the polish Stahlwille site though: http://stahlwille.pl/1,of_bertool.html (direct link: http://stahlwille.pl/images/bertool.pdf )

Their tool box production unit is still named "Bertool": click

@epiphany:

there are more on ebay.de.....

 

[epiphany]

@epiphany:

there are more on ebay.de.....

thanks, but i already bought some substitute screwdrivers...

felos from amazon

 

[aspera]

It looks like the NWS combination pliers have the pivot point in different location for better leverage.

I could use some help on finding a good NWS vendor in the U.S. Thanks!

 

[tonydanzah]

It looks like the NWS combination pliers have the pivot point in different location for better leverage.

I could use some help on finding a good NWS vendor in the U.S. Thanks!

member quatro john, or HIPA tools in montreal

 

[ATTappman]

HIPA Tools contact info:

 

[Moose-LandTran]

To show just how good Wiha Torx screwdrivers are..

They're the best i've ever used, and put Snap-on to shame. I haven't got any PB Swiss to compare, i imagine they're on par with Wiha.

 

[tonydanzah]

To show just how good Wiha Torx screwdrivers are..

They're the best i've ever used, and put Snap-on to shame. I haven't got any PB Swiss to compare, i imagine they're on par with Wiha.

prove that photo wasn't taken upside down

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Ok, you caught me, i have a reverse-gravity garage..

 

[Hazet]

Here is what the post man brought in today . An early father's day gift . I have been looking at one of these for a while. I bought it directly from Germany and skipped the middle man.

 

[bchee]

fu$#%ng awesome

I got a thing for those little carts.

 

[bchee]

I'm trying to figure out what's being illustrated here. Do they really fit that tightly? There's no way

 

[Burgerkong]

^^^I tried with my Wiha Torx drivers...no dice.

 

[Vinko]

Great Hazet cart! Those look like good casters too. Blicklee or Bicklee (sp?) is an awesome caster made in Germany. Not sure if those are it, but I'm making a portable table (3 x 8) with 10" blicklee's that'll hold about 1,500 lbs per.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I'm trying to figure out what's being illustrated here. Do they really fit that tightly? There's no way

I'm displaying my anti-gravity garage.

^^^I tried with my Wiha Torx drivers...no dice.

You don't have the m@d skillz, yo.

They really have no wiggle in the torx head, whereas the Snap-on ones have a lot by comparasin. As much as i like the Snap-on ones the Germans and the Swiss put them to shame.

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Hazet, bravo ! Very-very nice cart.
Btw, why the sticker says "Die neue format" ? What's new ?

 

[The Muffin Man]

It looks like the NWS combination pliers have the pivot point in different location for better leverage.

I could use some help on finding a good NWS vendor in the U.S. Thanks!

Felo's insulated pliers are rebranded from NWS and can be purchased from several vendors in the states.

While only the more traditional pliers are available under the Felo brand, it is a start...

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200357799_200357799

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=felo++insulated+pliers&x=0&y=0

(Note: Amazon displays the incorrect picture for the wire striping pliers )

http://chadstoolbox.com/search.aspx?find=insulated+pliers&log=false&category=514

(Note: the black handled stripping pliers are sourced from Orbis.)

Here is the set offered by Northerntool that I bought...

Monte,
95% of the households here don't own a generator. The power here is super reliable (well at least in New Jersey .) I would imagine generators are much more popular in the mid-west.

I bought mine for camping and enduro/dirtbiking trips, Though I made sure that it could power my beer fridge and laptop just in case I did lose power

 

[Monte]

thanks, but i already bought some substitute screwdrivers...

felos from amazon

which style ? Ergonic ??? pic ??

It looks like the NWS combination pliers have the pivot point in different location for better leverage.

I could use some help on finding a good NWS vendor in the U.S. Thanks!

good eye ! yes, closer to the jaws of the pliers

To show just how good Wiha Torx screwdrivers are..
They're the best i've ever used, and put Snap-on to shame. I haven't got any PB Swiss to compare, i imagine they're on par with Wiha.

nice pic !!!


ps:
Gedore PZ2 with "Spax" screw

prove that photo wasn't taken upside down

Ok, you caught me, i have a reverse-gravity garage..

Here is what the post man brought in today . An early father's day gift . I have been looking at one of these for a while. I bought it directly from Germany and skipped the middle man.

wow cool !!!!!!!!!!!!


i love this cart !!!!

never noticed it has "double-wheels" though nice
i wonder why the slip of paper says Assistent 162N but it is a 166N ?

So what´s next ?? First the Assistent 173 now the 166 and next ? the 179 workbench ?? or the "179 Big" ??

ps: where did you buy it ?? here ?

Great Hazet cart! Those look like good casters too. Blicklee or Bicklee (sp?) is an awesome caster made in Germany. Not sure if those are it, but I'm making a portable table (3 x 8) with 10" blicklee's that'll hold about 1,500 lbs per.

www.blickle.de

Monte,
95% of the households here don't own a generator. The power here is super reliable (well at least in New Jersey .) I would imagine generators are much more popular in the mid-west.

I only wondered because of the sometimes "adventurous" looking overground power lines

I bought mine for camping and enduro/dirtbiking trips, Though I made sure that it could power my beer fridge and laptop just in case I did lose power

most important !

 

[epiphany]

which style ? Ergonic ??? pic ??

felo 500 (with ph1, ph2, pz1 & pz2 screwdrivers)


wisent (current sale)


giant bertool wrench and proxxon 1/4" ratchtet (new design)

 

[Monte]

@epiphany

nice ! I like the Felo series 500. Very comfortable "rubber" handle !
The price is right too (€ 22,95 ?)
For how much do they sell the Wisent/Wiha set at Bauhaus ?? Nice Bertool wrench ! Did you buy a complete set ?
PS: the Proxxon ratchets still look ugly sorry




Flea market finds from today:

Gedore, Snap-On and Hazet hard handles

Hazet, "Mor-Less" (?) from the UK and no-name driver, looks like Wuro

Cimco, Witte , Wiha

Belzer and 2x Meister

 

[epiphany]

@epiphany

nice ! I like the Felo series 500. Very comfortable "rubber" handle !
The price is right too (€ 22,95 ?)

Yes, thought that were a good price...

For how much do they sell the Wisent/Wiha set at Bauhaus ??

19,90€. They sell three sets. The one i got, one VDE set and a pz/torx set. Same price for all sets.

Nice Bertool wrench ! Did you buy a complete set ?

I did!

PS: the Proxxon ratchets still look ugly sorry

I love the design.

@Nice haul!

Took a close look at the screwdriver sets at the local hardware stores. They all sell sets that were made in germany and some cheap non germany stuff. Metro sells Meister screwdrivers, but they only got 1k handles. Bauhaus sells Wisent sets and Toom sells Merox, but don't like them and they are expensive. Didn't notice that before.

Took a closer look at the expensive Wisent ratchet sets, too, because i thought some of the sets were made in germany too, but they are all made in r.o.c.