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KMScott

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Hi just picked up a 183 like yours Did you remove the lead screw from the slide assembly for the restoration? if so how? my lead screw retainer is missing and I can't see how it would work. Any help on what the retainer looks like or a picture would be appreciated Thanks Pete in Medway ME
Mg, the 183 is not my vise but looking at the picture it looks like the collar is easily seen and should not be to hard to remove. The collar should have a set screw, most likely a flat screwdriver set screw. There might be a burr around the washer if yours has the washer.

Promise me you will share pictures of your 183 so I can replace that god awful blue one shown on the spreadsheet. Kevin
 
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hopefully I'm not double-posting these. -- early vise catalog advertisements from hardware wholesalers.
 

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#2 vise
 

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will do gonna look at pic again Thanks!
looked at the Pic and I can easily manufacture a collar like the one pictured what messed me up is there is a hole in the lead screw that looks as if it should be the retainer IE an approximately 1/4" hole for a drive pin or collar set screw. Its only 1 5/8" from the back of the crossbar handle casting and that puts it into an un-accessible area of the vise will send a pic of the lead screw tomorrow, thanks for all your help trying to restore this one as much as I can.
 

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Hi again. Sorry to bother. Do you know anyone with a set of pipe jaws or even a pic of the pipe jaws for the Prentiss 183?
 

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MG, here is a pic from the spreadsheet of your pipe jaws. Can you make them? The ones I made were cut with the pipe jaws tilted at 14 degrees. There is plenty of figuring to get them right. Looks like you need three pipe jaws. I’m not making them any more. Good luck.
 

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^ so you have a Boker's Rapid, an Ayars Rapid, and a Eureka Rapid?
Running a seach for "rapid" pretty much all I come up with is "Grand Rapids, Michigan", other than a "Rapid Mfg. Co." of Glendale, CA.
I have all kinds of files for "Rapids", but that's probably not what you're looking for.
Do you have Carl's list? (emailing it to you now.)
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I cannot make out the detail in the graphic you posted just above to be able to make out that patent date on the Boker Rapid.

The patent date of the Boker Rapid vise is April 16, 1895 and is US-patent no. 537,649. Interesting enough, the vise was designed by Hans Schwartz of Switzerland.

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My vise database provided absolutely no clues to the vise in question. Tough "vise puzzle", major kudos to whomever can solve this one.
 

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EMMERT WOODWORKERS' VISES
From 1912

RTM: Here's some more information.

P.12 shows Emmert's rapid transit mechanism.
P.16 shows a swivel jaw attachment that could be used on most of their woodworkers' vises.
P.18 has specs for Model #125.
P.19 has specs for Model 130.
P.20 has specs for Model 131 which was a tail vise.
 

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Does anyone know what the numbers embossed on the front of Prentiss vises are?
I have a Prentiss 22 and a Monarch 225 both with a 4 digit number embossed on the front jaw.
It appears to say 1203 on the 22, i'm not sure on the 225
 

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Does anyone know what the numbers embossed on the front of Prentiss vises are?
I have a Prentiss 22 and a Monarch 225 both with a 4 digit number embossed on the front jaw.
It appears to say 1203 on the 22, i'm not sure on the 225
I am not sure, but IIRC from others commenting, they are casting parts. If so, you will not find them on brochures or spec sheets, they were simply the part associated with the metal cast.
 

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This is a very rare size machinist vise from the Oswego Tool Co. that I picked up several years ago, unrestored and in original condition.

Oswego Tool no. 12-1/2 machinist vise

jaw width.......2-1/2"
jaw opening...3-1/2"
weight............17 lbs.
circa...............(1925-1935)


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While, the Oswego Tool Co. had many different exceptional leaders over their existence, this vise is a product from possibly my very favorite "vise-man", Edwin W. Fulton.

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He already had a storied career, starting with the Bagley & Sewall Co. and later the Fulton Machine & Vise Co. in Lowville, NY. and others before coming to Oswego in 1924 with all of his famous models of vises, including his most famous Nutyp vise. His distinguished reputation preceded him and the local newspapers reflected this. The Oswego newspapers celebrated his arrival with great fanfare, while the Lowville newspaper viewed his departure as a local tragedy.

It was all going so well in Oswego NY, when in 1928, the untimely death of William J. Henry changed the future of the company forever. Henry was the owner at the time, as well as the owner of the foundries in Auburn, NY which the Oswego Tool Co. had been using for years.

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The Henry family owned most of the stock for the Oswego Tool Co., which would force a reorganization of the company in 1930 by Edwin W. Fulton and H. W. Stone in which they incorporated the new International Nutyp Tool Corp. The timing couldn't have been any worse as the "Great Depression" gripped the country and would ultimately force the new company to shutter their doors by 1935.

While the Nutyp vises would bear the casting of the new company from (1930-1935), the machinist vises continued to cast "Oswego Tool Co." or so I thought, until this even more rare no. 12-1/2 vise showed up on eBay a while ago.

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In June of 1935, W. J. Sawyer, of the Sawyer Foundry, purchased the vise patterns and exclaimed that production would start immediately on the previous line of vises and tools under his name. There would be one more owner before a spectacular fire in 1960 destroyed amongst many things, the vise patterns and ended a proud lineage of vises and tools produced in this very special New York town.

This is just a sliver of information about the Oswego Tool Co. and I'd encourage anyone interested in early American history to continue reading more about this towns special history. It really is all about the location of this town as it sat on the banks of the Oswego Canal leading to Lake Ontario.

The following early drawings of the canal are a great reminder of what our country's immigrants were able to achieve, given the opportunities and difficulties at the time.

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Long live Oswego NY and may she continue to prosper, now and into the future!
 
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KMS: Here's a 1920 Rock Island catalog clipping showing a No.86 and a No.87. While I was looking, I found these two pages from a 1934 catalog. The first page shows Rock Island 505 with specs. Your post #415 in this thread shows a 505A and asks for specs. The second page looks like a hand typed addition to the catalog which is dated August 16, 1934. It shows the specs for nine different "forged steel leg vises". None of them are in the spreadsheet. Sorry.
 

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This 1929 article about LOWVILLE MACHINE & VISE CO. adds a bit more information about the Gordian knot that was Edwin Fulton's contribution to vise history that Fierljeppen wrote about in Post #3460. It's so tangled that it's hard to keep straight. This article even indirectly connects Fulton Machine & Vise to American Chain Co. (ACCO).
 

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Hi, all.

I am looking for information on a 1-3/4 model 601 INT NuType vise. The one I have is missing the nut on the back of the slide that keeps the ACME screw. Also, the ACME screw was shortened so have a bit of a mystery as to how the nut keeps the screw so when the vise is opened the ACME screw doesn’t just spin out independent of the dynamic jaw and slide.

On the larger NuType vises the ACME screw and nut have a small hole thru them and a cotter pin secures the screw to the nut. It doesn’t look like this is in play on the 1-3/4” NuType vise. Any pics or information is welcome so I can complete this little guy.

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Craftsman: Here are the 3 pages of drawings for Fulton's 1922 vise patent.
 

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Speaking of E.W. Fulton: Here's a 1921 clipping that ties him to Atlas vises and to Velox vises. It even ties him, tangentially, to Porter-Cable. Edwin was a busy fellow.
 

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KMS: What's up with that Lewis 128? It looks like some kind of rapid-transit mechanism on the main 'screw'. The swivel lock looks weird too.
Mortimer Lewis did have an 1898 patent for "rapid-transit or quick action" vises.
 

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Craftsman: Here are the 3 pages of drawings for Fulton's 1922 vise patent.
Thank you CRSINMICH. The patents are helpful. I am digging in further to see if I can find out more about the 1-3/4 back nut but not finding much. After looking at the patents it looks like ACCO vises and Fulton had some connection and the ACCO vises look to have a similar nut on the back of the slide to keep the spindle screw.
 

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KMS: What's up with that Lewis 128? It looks like some kind of rapid-transit mechanism on the main 'screw'. The swivel lock looks weird too.
Mortimer Lewis did have an 1898 patent for "rapid-transit or quick action" vises.
The owner didn’t say too much about this vise. He is a collector that says very little even when asked. But it looks like this design is close to the 128 Lewis I posted. How do you find this stuff.

The swivel lock is definitely original too. Wish I had more pic’s.
 

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Lewis 128. 5-1/2" jaws that opens to 9" and weights 122 lbs.

That's a really interesting vise! It appears to have been first offered in the Spring of 1899, but wasn't seen in any ads later than 1902, in my vise database.

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The 1899 illustrations explaining the quick release mechanism were way ahead of their time, in my opinion.

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The following 1902 catalog scan shows the six different models offered with the catalog specs.

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I'm definitely motivated to get a Lewis Tool vise for my collection, when the opportunity presents itself. Good stuff KMScott!
 

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INDESTRO No.1562
Indestro made 2 sizes of clamp-on vises and two sizes of swivel base vises. They were pretty small but that 3" No.1566 was a real brute at 9 lbs!
 

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INDESTRO No.1562
Indestro made 2 sizes of clamp-on vises and two sizes of swivel base vises. They were pretty small but that 3" No.1566 was a real brute at 9 lbs!

Every time I see an Indestro vise, it reminds me of the earliest Wilton Juno vises. The castings have so many similarities and the catalog specs are the same for the clamp-on models.

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The time frame of both companies coincide and Indestro Mfg. Co. was less than 5 miles straight west of Wilton Tool.

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I don't have any concrete evidence to tie them together yet, but my vise instincts tell me that there was some kind of relationship or Hugh Vogl acquired the rights to the Indestro Mfg. Co. defunct vise line.
 

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I'm looking for some information on the following "made in England" vice/vise.

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Specifically, I'm looking for the manufacturer and circa for this vise. I found an English catalog scan from 1927, which had it labeled as a parallel vice, but no mfg. information. It's origin looks much older to me?

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I'm looking for some information on the following "made in England" vice/vise.

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Specifically, I'm looking for the manufacturer and circa for this vise. I found an English catalog scan from 1927, which had it labeled as a parallel vice, but no mfg. information. It's origin looks much older to me?

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FJ, to me, the only English vise that has any sort of resemblance is Fortis. I know that Fortis did have a "Parallel" vise, but I think other English and US made vises had the Parallel moniker.
 

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FJ, to me, the only English vise that has any sort of resemblance is Fortis. I know that Fortis did have a "Parallel" vise, but I think other English and US made vises had the Parallel moniker.
The two part construction of the static rear jaw and base was fond on some older vises.
Massey (Massy) in the USA used the design for some of their early rapid grip “quick” vises which they called their “Lightning” vises, however Massey manufactured but woodworking and metalworking vises using the “Lightning” design and name, and it seems the surviving Lightning vises are usually the woodworking models. (Unless the metalworking vises just didn’t sell well).
I mention the Massey vises, because the design was licensed from the Wilson Riley patented vise design from England, which was manufactured as the “Entwisle & Kenyon’s Instantaneous Grip Parallel Vice”.
The E&K vise design goes back to around 1881.
Both the Massey and Entwistle & Kenyon vises used the two part construction method, with the top section of the static jaw bolted to the lower section of the static jaw, but the bolt spacing front to back was further apart than on your vise.
 
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