Vise Info Thread
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KMScott
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Athol 324 1/2 X. 4-1/2 jaw width and 9” jaw opening. Don't have a weight on it.
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KMScott
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pachy, 9" opening is pretty large opening, could you check again by closing the vise and measure the length of the square slider hanging out the back. Vises should not extend inside the Static. Thanks in advance. Kevin
Yeah now that you say that it does seem large... It's not mine, just saw it for sale with those specs and didn't see it on the spreadsheet. I'll give the guy a call and see if he can confirm.
KMScott
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CRSINMICH
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Dave600
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Is this just a Columbian Combo 203-1/2 rebadged to Armstrong?
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KMScott
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I believe so. Looks and matches the same spec:s doesn’t it.
KMScott
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Athol 624N. 4" jaws that opens to 6" and weights 65 lbs. Just finished this guy and it's an awesome vise. Built in the same quality as the later models of Starretts, just missing the replaceable jaws.
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Just saw the 1926 catalog posted up and down loaded the page for this guy the other day. Neat !
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Dave600
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This isn't on the spreadsheet. This is a Babco 150, made in Japan. Swivel base. Jaws are 5 inches wide. It opens 5 inches (in the proper method of measuring). The anvil area is 3-1/8 x 4-1/8 inches. It weighs 52 lbs. Replaceable jaws. There is space for clip on pipe jaws but none were included.
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454ragtop
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^ Looks very similar to the low end steel slide Wiltons. Surprised it's 5" jaws, would have guessed 6"/150mm.
Dave600
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It is more like 50 being the 5" stationary and the 150 being the 5" swivel. It was distributed by Babco in Oakland California and may have been made by them originally. So not metric. I thought the same thing when I bought it. More like Morgan part numbers.
Outlawmws
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When I was a kid, Babco vises were sold by the local Hardware store (Long gone, Orchard Supply Hardware expanded and put most locals out of business, before Sears bought OSH and killed them...)
That looks a lot like some of the Japanese made Craftsman vises too.
I'm curious as to what the proper method of measuring jaw opening is? I'll guess it has to do with how much slide is engaged in the body of the vise?
I did not know this either, but in following this thread, KMScott (Dr. Scott), and the person responsible for keeping the spreadsheet alive, has explained it on a few occasions.
You close the jaws and measure the exposed part of the slide in the back. This is the proper way to calculate this and either he or another poster mentioned that this is how the MFR's would measure for the specs in the brochures.
Dave600
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Normally you close the vise tight and measure the protrusion of the rail out the back. With vises with horns out the back it is hard to find out where to start back there. This vise has vertical piece supporting the rail (all the way around) just inside where the bottom of the rail meets the base. I used that point to measure the opening. You don't want the rail to be not supported at the back to measure its opening. So you are correct.
KMScott
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I bought 2 similar looking vises. Looking at this post I'm assuming they are both manufactured by Bison Bial. But please correct me if I'm wrong.
The dynamic jaws are interchangeable, also, the swivel base can be mounted to the static jaw of the stationary type.
However, the static jaw of the swivel type is a slightly different cast. The bottom is not a fully flat cast, and there is a space under the jaw.
The dynamic jaws are interchangeable, also, the swivel base can be mounted to the static jaw of the stationary type.
However, the static jaw of the swivel type is a slightly different cast. The bottom is not a fully flat cast, and there is a space under the jaw.
- Jaw width: 10 cm / 4 inch
- Opening width (with full spindel nut engagement): 10 cm / 4 inch
- Spindel nut length: 4 cm / 1.6 inch
- Weight (stationary type): 10 kg / 22 lbs
- Weight (swivel type): 11 kg / 24.25 lbs
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Did I buy a real Record Vise or a cheap new China import?
I picked up this 4 inch Record vise this past weekend for $65.00. I was excited when I got it but now I'm wondering if this is a real Record vise that was made in England and quality or if this is one of the transition or new ones that is made buy Irwin in China? It does say Sheffield...
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I am not sure of the difference between the 3VS and an SQ3.Did I buy a real Record Vise or a cheap new China import?
I picked up this 4 inch Record vise this past weekend for $65.00. I was excited when I got it but now I'm wondering if this is a real Record vise that was made in England and quality or if this is one of the transition or new ones that is made buy Irwin in China? It does say Sheffield...
As for the made in England to the Sheffield England, IIRC, this came about when Irwin bought Record. Either right after their purchase or not long after, they moved MFRing to China. The Sheffield England was just to confuse or hide the fact that these vises were made in China.
There may be some models that have Sheffield England and were indeed made in England (I can't confirm this), but slowly, all MFRing moved to China. As far as I know either all Sheffield England models were made in China or almost all were.
If it says Sheffield England, odds are significantly in favor of being made in China.
Dave600
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When I see vises of this design, I always look for the Bison Bial metal label that is typically riveted low on the left side of the fixed tower. Otherwise they can be Chinese knock offs. Here is a photo of the metal label I am referring to.
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454ragtop
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Dave600, I've had Bison vises without a tag like that. Some are stamped on the end of the main screw by the handle, some are stamped on the vise itself "Poland".
KMScott
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Nice vise Graeme, gonna add it to the spreadsheet. When the vise is closed could you measure the slide hanging out the back so I can record max opening. In my opinion vises should only open till the back of the slide is level with the back of the Static. Weight would be great info to add too. Thanks Kevin.
I will, yes.
There is a patent online, and this advert in the buck hickman catalogue, but it's completely different and 2" smaller.
Outlawmws
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Mostly see Polish work in that type of D jaw. Slide is sort of bass akwards though...
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I am not sure what part you see as an Erie vise, personally, I do not see it.
The screw through the bottom, to hold it on a bench, definitely looks like it could be around the turn of the century. As far as American vises are concerned, that kind of bench attachment was in all the early vises, late1800' to very early 1900's. Maybe in Europe, they made this attachment even in the mid 1900's, but I do not know. In fact, this is the first non-USA vises I have seen with this kind of attachment.
I say non-USA because it looks very much like a Bison Bial (like Outlaw was referring to) or Leinen vises. These vises along with some no-name vises are well known for have the front jaw as the stationary and the rear jaw as the static jaw. Interesting approach, but has the disadvantage of losing useable workspace if you have something long, in a vertical position, and the rear jaw goes beyond the edge of the work bench.
These vises are almost always from a European country, although it is possible (but doubtful) that there was a USA/Canada or Japan made with this type of function.
The screw through the bottom, to hold it on a bench, definitely looks like it could be around the turn of the century. As far as American vises are concerned, that kind of bench attachment was in all the early vises, late1800' to very early 1900's. Maybe in Europe, they made this attachment even in the mid 1900's, but I do not know. In fact, this is the first non-USA vises I have seen with this kind of attachment.
I say non-USA because it looks very much like a Bison Bial (like Outlaw was referring to) or Leinen vises. These vises along with some no-name vises are well known for have the front jaw as the stationary and the rear jaw as the static jaw. Interesting approach, but has the disadvantage of losing useable workspace if you have something long, in a vertical position, and the rear jaw goes beyond the edge of the work bench.
These vises are almost always from a European country, although it is possible (but doubtful) that there was a USA/Canada or Japan made with this type of function.
KMScott
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Be nice Ranger to add your vise to the spreadsheet. Hopefully someone might have a catalog page. Can you add spec:s.
yes i will when i have some info, at the moment leads are looking at german made around 1880 for tool and watch makers
i also have several other vises with names that dont appear on the spread sheet, if you are interested
RTM
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four.cycle
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Washburn made "Androck" can openers and bottle openers, among other things.
Washburn / Washburn Co., Worcester, MA and Rockford, IL / est. 1880 (Boston) acquired Roblin Steel Corp., Buffalo, NY 1967 / "Androck" screwdriver, can opener, kitchen utensils / patent 1735236 Nov 12 1929 Elmer L. Dennis / http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2016/02/vanished-tool-brands-androck.html / /
I have to wonder if your "Chandler" from "Chandler and Washburn" might have any connection to the speed indicator-making Chandler:
Chandler / F. Chandler, Boston, MA / speed indicator / patent 282067 Jul 31 1883 Charles H. Fowler /
this is about as far away from "vise" as we can get, but I'm always fishing....
Washburn / Washburn Co., Worcester, MA and Rockford, IL / est. 1880 (Boston) acquired Roblin Steel Corp., Buffalo, NY 1967 / "Androck" screwdriver, can opener, kitchen utensils / patent 1735236 Nov 12 1929 Elmer L. Dennis / http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2016/02/vanished-tool-brands-androck.html / /
I have to wonder if your "Chandler" from "Chandler and Washburn" might have any connection to the speed indicator-making Chandler:
Chandler / F. Chandler, Boston, MA / speed indicator / patent 282067 Jul 31 1883 Charles H. Fowler /
this is about as far away from "vise" as we can get, but I'm always fishing....
