OEM Briggs $60 replacement the carb same as $15 ebay/amazon?

[kctyphoon]

Briggs owns their carburetor plant. They cycle castings as required which are then shipped to the US and assembled. Im not going to argue that a $60 or even a $40 small engine Carb made in China isn't price gouging but you're way off base first claiming that they were 100% identical and then shifting over to its "probably" the same place just making knock-offs. I said it on the prior page and you don't want to comprehend it. They're different, they're made cheaper. The castings are junk, the QC is non-existant, and they use Chinese carburetor insides most times where the Briggs plant uses US manufactured gaskets, floats, needles, and jets (most times). Use whatever you want but step off your soapbox over whats made where because you have no idea what you're talking about. End of discussion.

You CLEARLY either dont understand, don't comprehend, or haven't read what I've posted. So I'll say thIs AGAIN.

What B&S is selling to support their older products IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than what originally came on the engines. They are not similar in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM to what was installed when these things were bought when new. You don't seem to want to accept that I'm holding the thing in my hand - and I'm fairly certain the last one I bought a couple years ago cane directly from B&S .

Go find an old engine - look up the engine code - and look up a new carb for it. What you'll find is the ORIGINAL DESIGN carb part number is no longer available, and what they sell now is a REPLACEMENT "ALTERNATE" part number, which is a generic carb of significantly less quality then the original.

 

[Den69rs96]

Unless I just have to fix it today, I'll never rebuild another 2-stroke carb. I fought with a Stihl FS45 trimmer carb for months, and still couldn't get it to run right. Ordered a $15 kit off eBay that included the carb, filter, and spark plug, and its run perfectly ever since.

My Stihl dealer wouldn't even order a carb kit and made you order a new carb because they got tired of people complaining about how it didn't work.

I cleaned the carb on my sons ATV because it had some issues with idling. I took the carb apart and it was clean as could be. I still cleaned it, checked every single thing. Still wouldn't idle correct. The carb wasn't that old from what I could tell. It also wasn't the original carb. I looked up getting an oem carb and it was 450 bucks lol. I ordered a china carb off amazon with good reviews for 19.99. His ATV has never run better. So my lesson is the china carbs are hit or miss, but they are cheap enough to replace until you get a good one.

 

[pawel]

I got a Chinese carb for my string trimmer last summer. Started on the first pull, idled and ran great. I ordered another Chinese carb for my snowblower over the winter. It started and ran great at first, but after running a little over an hour, started puking fuel out the carb. I took apart the original carb and cleaned all the jets and holes again. I guess previously I missed two tiny holes by the throttle plate. After unclogging those had no problems.

 

[jonshonda]

And in recent news "cheap china junk is cheap china junk", back to you in the news room Tom.

Having been to China several times for business, I would hazard a guess that the residents in the State of Wisconsin alone posses more 2 stroke engines the all of China. Why does that matter, because the people who are making these products have ABSOLUTELY ZERO ******* CLUE what they parts they are making do, how the function, or what is or isn't acceptable. That is pretty much true for every product they manufacture.

Not that any of this is relevant, but if you walk into a plant in the US more then likely at least a few of the production staff could fill your head with so many details about what they are making it would bore you to death. Complete opposite in China. The Chinese don't innovate, they replicate....usually very poorly. But they are so far behind us technology wise that it's no wonder they don't have a clue.

 

[Handyandy23]

And in recent news "cheap china junk is cheap china junk", back to you in the news room Tom.

Having been to China several times for business, I would hazard a guess that the residents in the State of Wisconsin alone posses more 2 stroke engines the all of China. Why does that matter, because the people who are making these products have ABSOLUTELY ZERO ******* CLUE what they parts they are making do, how the function, or what is or isn't acceptable. That is pretty much true for every product they manufacture.

Not that any of this is relevant, but if you walk into a plant in the US more then likely at least a few of the production staff could fill your head with so many details about what they are making it would bore you to death. Complete opposite in China. The Chinese don't innovate, they replicate....usually very poorly. But they are so far behind us technology wise that it's no wonder they don't have a clue.

This is a huge over-generalization. I work with a lot of Chinese suppliers as well, and just like here, there's good ones and bad ones.

One supplier for car headlamps came here and built his own bench tester once he saw what the problem was, just from raw materials. These aren't your Grandpa's halogen bulb headlamps either, these were HID / LED with internal circuit boards controlling several functions. I'd say he understood how his parts worked quite well.

On the other hand we have assemblers in our facility that don't know and / or don't care about anything. There are good ones too, but there are some that will put a red painted part on a blue car and then shrug and say "I just put on whatever part comes to me". Everyone here drives cars, but it doesn't mean everyone understands how they work, or even what the purpose of their specific job is.

You can get good and bad from anywhere in the world. The key is the specifications called out / paid for, and quality control.

 

[Tunar]

I know the OP asked about a Briggs carb. I haven't replaced any of those yet, but many other small engine carbs. I've used both OEM bought from local dealers and one of eBay and Amazon. My opinion of the NON-OEM carbs is that they are a gamble. You may get lucky and win by paying less. You may not be so lucky. In my experience about 1/2 the time I have problems. Sometimes that only last a year.

For a sthill chain saw I bought a kit that had the carb and furl lines and filter. The carb was cast slightly different that prevented me from using the seal around the adjustment screws. No big deal, just keeps the carb body chamber cleaner on the chain saw. It wouldn't run though. The cheep fuel supply line wasn't flexible enough even though it was identical to the sthill one. It kinked and stopped fuel. I bought an OEM Sthill and it worked great.

I bought a NON-OEM carb for some echo shears. The carb was great, the grommet for the fuel tank that came with it wasn't a good seal. It leaked fuel from the tank. Had to buy another grommet, packaged OEM Echo.

I used a kit on an Echo Blower. The fuel line that came with the kit tore with in the year.

The first cheep carb I bought was for a Sthill trimmer. It only ran a year, the carb wasn't the same number and was sold to fit many models. That was where I learned to make sure the carb model number matches.

I replaced the carb on a echo shear and it ran well until my block locked up. That's when I learned that they may be tuned too lean.

I try to only use non ethanol fuel. I agree with that for the 2 cycle equipment. For 4 cycle equipment, I haven't noticed it doing much damage. I've owned and operated a landscaping business for 31 years and fix my own equipment.

Sometimes they work great. I don't trust the fuel lines and extras that come with them anymore. I buy the Stens aftermarket stuff like that when I don't buy OEM. I do still gamble and try to get away with saving money on the carbs though.

 

[Skin]

You CLEARLY either dont understand, don't comprehend, or haven't read what I've posted. So I'll say thIs AGAIN.

What B&S is selling to support their older products IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than what originally came on the engines. They are not similar in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM to what was installed when these things were bought when new. You don't seem to want to accept that I'm holding the thing in my hand - and I'm fairly certain the last one I bought a couple years ago cane directly from B&S .

Go find an old engine - look up the engine code - and look up a new carb for it. What you'll find is the ORIGINAL DESIGN carb part number is no longer available, and what they sell now is a REPLACEMENT "ALTERNATE" part number, which is a generic carb of significantly less quality then the original.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong in assuming that they're all made in the same factory.

The change happened around 2010 and the external changes are only apparent on horizontal shafts. If it was a vertical shaft the external appearance would be identical to the original.

 

[PBCampbell]

When did Briggs start making their own carburetors?

 

[theoldwizard1]

My point here being - that china isnt making cheap copies of the OEM model. Its that the cheap Chinese ones - ARE the OEM model.

Not surprising now a days !

 

[username2]

I've used several china carbs for outdoor equipment. They seem fine. They're so cheap, if a carb needs more than a good cleaning it gets replaced.

I wonder if we could get a Chinese factory to knock off an Autolite inline.

 

[JRC3]

Just ordered one...Will report once received and installed. https://www.ebay.com/itm/153099030942

Was given a Huskee Supreme MTD (Troy Bilt Bronco) with a **** Kohler Courage 19 (SV590) engine. It's very low hours but has been sitting for years...Cleaned the carb but still won't run without choke. Carb solenoid is also bad. For $17 I'll just throw one of these ebay carbs on it.

 

[JRC3]

Mowed yesterday and so far so good. Starts easy sometimes without choking. Idles great even at very low RPM.

Not sure what that black adjustment screw is on the old one, but the new one is just plugged there.

The RPM surged a little and all it needed was a slight adjustment on the idle speed and it was perfect.

Bought some ethanol free gas and that's what I'm gonna run in every small engine from here on out.

 

[The Cobbler]

glad to hear it worked out. I don't see the black screw you are referring to?

 

[JRC3]

glad to hear it worked out. I don't see the black screw you are referring to?

I posted the wrong pic. They are so similar when looking at thumbnails.

 

[The Cobbler]

I see holes in the flange on one carb, they may be for atmospheric vents .

 

[signcrafter]

I have bought a few cheap China carbs in the past year. My local store doesn't stock carb rebuild kits or whole carbs so has to be ordered either way. I took a gamble and bought a tecumseh carb for a very old generator that was in rough shape and i didnt want to spend money on. Worked great right out of the box. It's really not worth my time to clean or rebuild old carbs anymore. I save the old ones and may order rebuild kits for them to keep them around for spares. But when I can order a whole carb, plug, fuel lines, and other stuff for less then 15 bucks shipped to my door it's almost silly to rebuild them.

 

[bczygan]

Spent my first day in small engine class today, cleaning a carb.

Interesting! Leaf blower. Carbs sure are tiny!

Bill

 

[Irish Mike]

I bought a complete replacement for my small Toro from Walmart online for 13.00....The primer bulb alone for the old one was cracked and 15.00 at the mower shop.....Works great!

 

[b7labelle]

Literally going through this right now...I suppose many are with it being spring...

OEM Nikki carb is like $175....ebay clone is $42...

If I still am having issues with corrosion later in the season, I'll just give the Chinese clone a shot. Already have $40 into gaskets...more into tools..

Also eyeballing <$15 replacement carbs for the push mower, snow blower, pressure washer....

 

[kctyphoon]

OEM or cheap Chinese.. u tell me .. I bought both.

 

[emeraldcoupe]

I've used three of the cheap ebay carbs so far, each one worked great. one on a riding mower, and two on pressure washers. paid under $20 for each one, and all three still working fine after two years.

 

[Scotty_B]

I got one of these, too, for my Troy-bilt Horse lawn tractor. It was cheaper than a rebuild kit and I needed to get up and running fast. Much quicker to install a new one than to clean and rebuild one. I only expected it to last long enough to give myself some time to rebuild the original. Two years later, it's still going strong.

 

[AA/FC]

I own an ultrasonic cleaner..... but the nearest gas station to my house sells gas without ethanol. I haven't had any carb problems since I started buying the correct gasoline. None! (Probably 8 years or more)

 

[ezover]

perfect timing, I just ordered a carb sunday for a kohler 14 magnum motor on a 80s simplicity garden tractor. 20 bucks.

I was going to do a engine swap from a newer mower with a bad hydro drive. I thought for 20 bucks if it works it will save me a weekends time of doing the swap.

tired of dealing with carbs, I run all non ethyl gas in my small motors, switching my yard equipment to Milwaukee 18v, and my new mower is EFI.

trying to think of how many small motors I have left that are carb'ed.
pressure washer, 2 generators, snow blower, 2 garden tractors I use to tow things around the yard.

 

[kctyphoon]

OEM or cheap Chinese.. u tell me .. I bought both.

So after all the lecturing - nobody is gonna touch this???

 

[rustyjames]

So after all the lecturing - nobody is gonna touch this???

The pin that retains the float isn't fully engaged?

 

[JRC3]

^
They all fit loose when new, the bowl keeps it in place. I think it being out of place is just incidental to the pic and question. IDK.

 

[kctyphoon]

No it has nothing to do with the pin..
I'm referring to the so called "superior quality" of the OEM "replacement part number carb" vs the "inferior " $15 cheap ****** Chinese knock off - that is supposed to be very obvious according to some. "Inferior castings, inferior floats ect"..

So the question I'm asking is for the those that were telling me I'm wrong - and that B&S ISNT selling the cheap Chinese carbs AS their "OEM REPLACEMENT" for older equipment - what did I post? The "superior" $60+ OEM - or the inferior $15 Chinese knock off - since they insist there is a difference internally.
I have both..

And please - don't defer to "it's the $0.01 jet" that is the source of all the difference.

 

[Handyandy23]

This is like taking a picture from a foot away of a replacement motor for a Milwaukee M18 drill and asking if it's a 'real' Milwaukee motor or a Chinese knock-off. Does it really prove anything? Can you 'see' from a cell phone pic of the outside of a part what the quality differences are? Seems like you're just hoping someone will "guess" the wrong one and give you an opportunity to say "I told ya so" / trying to 'win the argument'.

If you really want some kind of value from this thread and you have both like you said then do an actual comparison and post it up. Go piece by piece and compare materials and dimensions. If they really are the same then it should be easy to prove with disassembly, a vernier, and some decent component pictures.

 

[kctyphoon]

This is like taking a picture from a foot away of a replacement motor for a Milwaukee M18 drill and asking if it's a 'real' Milwaukee motor or a Chinese knock-off. Does it really prove anything? Can you 'see' from a cell phone pic of the outside of a part what the quality differences are? Seems like you're just hoping someone will "guess" the wrong one and give you an opportunity to say "I told ya so" / trying to 'win the argument'.

If you really want some kind of value from this thread and you have both like you said then do an actual comparison and post it up. Go piece by piece and compare materials and dimensions. If they really are the same then it should be easy to prove with disassembly, a vernier, and some decent component pictures.

Umm. No.. this is like me posting pics of a carb and asking if it's the $70 or $15 unit - cause people are telling me theres a difference. So the "quality" should be obvious, No?

Let's not do the false equivalency thing, on something completely different.

So I'm asking - it's that the "genuine" or "****" Chinese $15 carb I posted pics of opened up? Cause it was "what's inside" where the difference would be, and the castings...

And like I said - don't even say "it's the jet"..
Cause we're talking an over 300% difference in price..

 

[Bretny]

Well if your pieces of equipment says "made in USA..with globaly sourced parts" i would say tour OEM carb is chinese. Theres good and bad chinese of corse.

In the last few years i have bought the following chinese, cheapest i could find carbs. Kohler 15hp, kohler 24hp and a stihl 026 carb. All bolted on quick and i had previously cleaned all of these carbs. The kohler 25hp carb would have been tripple the price OEM.

Last week i got a genuine stihl fs45c carb for $19 on ebay. The knock off version was $13. This is why i went with OEM.

The fact is they all ran fine after a new carb, chinese or not

 

[freudianfloyd]

Hell, I will guess. I don't have a dog in this fight, and I have bought several knock-off carbs.

I will say the lower picture is the knockoff.

Did I win???

 

[Skin]

Umm. No.. this is like me posting pics of a carb and asking if it's the $70 or $15 unit - cause people are telling me theres a difference. So the "quality" should be obvious, No?

Let's not do the false equivalency thing, on something completely different.

So I'm asking - it's that the "genuine" or "****" Chinese $15 carb I posted pics of opened up? Cause it was "what's inside" where the difference would be, and the castings...

And like I said - don't even say "it's the jet"..
Cause we're talking an over 300% difference in price..

You posted pics of both above. The lower two are the clone. Most of the debate was you spouting off that they're from the same factory when they aren't. Where are the bowls side by side?

 

[drtyler]

Top pic has a 5 or S in the casting, lower one does not. Probably not identical castings?

 

[kctyphoon]

You posted pics of both above. The lower two are the clone. Most of the debate was you spouting off that they're from the same factory when they aren't. Where are the bowls side by side?

Seriously? LOL

 

[kctyphoon]

Top pic has a 5 or S in the casting, lower one does not. Probably not identical castings?

Well one is branded for B&S - so yes, theres a “not so impressive logo” on one, a number here and there.. So yea - theres obviously gonna be a slight difference on the casting in a “branded” vs “unbranded” version

If someone wants to Hail Mary their argument of “IM WRONG” because the UNBRADED carb doesnt have the B&S
logo - go for it..

If someone is gonna make the case - “well there you have it” as to a “quality, you get what you pay for argument”. - knock yourself out.

Where’s the big quality difference?

 

[Handyandy23]

Thread title - they're the exact same!

New measuring stick - show me from my photos how the quality of one is 300% better than the other one!

 

[kctyphoon]

thread title - they're the exact same!

New measuring stick - show me from my photos how the quality of one is 300% better than the other one!

lmfao

 

[mcbane]

The best cheap replacement carburetors are California take offs. Dealers frequently need to remove a 49 state carb and replace it with a low hp, low reliability CARB compliant version in order to sell a tool in CA. Look for the OEM carb on eBay listed as a new take off.


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[JRC3]

Well one is branded for B&S - so yes, theres a “not so impressive logo” on one, a number here and there.. So yea - theres obviously gonna be a slight difference on the casting in a “branded” vs “unbranded” version

If someone wants to Hail Mary their argument of “IM WRONG” because the UNBRADED carb doesnt have the B&S
logo - go for it..

If someone is gonna make the case - “well there you have it” as to a “quality, you get what you pay for argument”. - knock yourself out.

Where’s the big quality difference?

Dude, settle down, let it go.

This thread has benefited me and many by drawing attention to inexpensive replacement carbs on ebay. Take the win and have a beer.