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Rodney Schultz
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IF you were considering it as living space, i.e. conditioned all the time, then it makes sense to spend the extra on a layer of foam. But as mentioned already the step from 2x4 to 2x6 (along with thicker insulation) is minimal in cost and more than "comfortable" for an occasionally conditioned shop. Remember that heat rises and that you need more insulation in the attic than the walls.
Love the detailing of the design/thought process. Thank you for covering it all rather than "here ya go, this is what I'm building"
Rodney
Thanks!
The latest design (parallel to fence) was chosen as the least compromising, because:
1) Marginal intrusion into septic field
2) Ease-of-access/approach for vehicles (and less driving over septic field)
3) Hoist placed on right side of shop (with 3' clearance to wall) allows more frequent "servicing" to take place with easiest access
4) "Separate" large work area at rear
5) Man door on "front" so as to be visible from house.
6) Electrical Panel and Hanging Furnace located for easy trenching for electrical from house (trench to avoid septic)
7) Roof line more closely suits existing house roof line, and scissor truss makes hoist placement easier. Based on the Truss Drawings, I theoretically have 13.5' of ceiling at the ceiling peak, and with 11' walls I am still well under my maximum height.
8) Compressor will be placed outside the shop (compressor room is gone). Maybe trenched air from the house garage, or something else. This frees up some more room and removes some noise.
Was probably something else in the plan, too.
Windows on the left side would stare right at the golf course I back onto, and would not be easily visible from the house.
Windows on the right side (south side) would stare into the yard of the neighbour who doesn't share my vision or enthusiasm. These windows would also not be visible from the house. Well, ~my~ house.
The latest design (parallel to fence) was chosen as the least compromising, because:
1) Marginal intrusion into septic field
2) Ease-of-access/approach for vehicles (and less driving over septic field)
3) Hoist placed on right side of shop (with 3' clearance to wall) allows more frequent "servicing" to take place with easiest access
4) "Separate" large work area at rear
5) Man door on "front" so as to be visible from house.
6) Electrical Panel and Hanging Furnace located for easy trenching for electrical from house (trench to avoid septic)
7) Roof line more closely suits existing house roof line, and scissor truss makes hoist placement easier. Based on the Truss Drawings, I theoretically have 13.5' of ceiling at the ceiling peak, and with 11' walls I am still well under my maximum height.
8) Compressor will be placed outside the shop (compressor room is gone). Maybe trenched air from the house garage, or something else. This frees up some more room and removes some noise.
Was probably something else in the plan, too.
Windows on the left side would stare right at the golf course I back onto, and would not be easily visible from the house.
Windows on the right side (south side) would stare into the yard of the neighbour who doesn't share my vision or enthusiasm. These windows would also not be visible from the house. Well, ~my~ house.
Still waiting on the permit.
Got quotes on garage door, and a suspended furnace. Garage door guy strongly poo-poo'd the idea of windows in the door (widows in a door = poor R-value).
I'm thinking more about skylights, but installing them right up near the peak to minimize any water/snow buildup above them.
I might be over thinking things.
While I wait, I'm finishing up a V8 Pontiac Firefly project that I'm about 5 years into.
Got quotes on garage door, and a suspended furnace. Garage door guy strongly poo-poo'd the idea of windows in the door (widows in a door = poor R-value).
I'm thinking more about skylights, but installing them right up near the peak to minimize any water/snow buildup above them.
I might be over thinking things.
While I wait, I'm finishing up a V8 Pontiac Firefly project that I'm about 5 years into.
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Jagmandave
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That was fun reading about the Firefly, I teach college automotive courses, and it's always fun when a student comes in in his second or third year and says something you taught them way back when actually worked!
YukonXL04
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Awesome! Congrats on that. I just got my permit as well! Went through about 2 months here as well. However my plans don't look nearly as good as yours lol
Can't wait to see the updates
Can't wait to see the updates
Styx
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Hi Greg the plans look great. Good to see it coming together...
How long have you been teaching shop? I had the opportunity to teach shop at NDSS in delta for a couple years, loved it... Worked on a "letter of permission" and got bumped. That sucked but I've moved on to bigger and better things now.
As for sky lights I would say go for it the natural light will be nice and like you say you won't be living in there so the winter heat loss and summer heat won't really matter. In the summer open the bay door and in the winter turn up the heat. Fans will help too.
It also looks like you will be having to turn after coming in the door to line up for the hoist. That's going to get old quick. I think a 2' wider door would help and possibly move the electrical panel. I would put it closer to the man door.
Good luck on the build.
How long have you been teaching shop? I had the opportunity to teach shop at NDSS in delta for a couple years, loved it... Worked on a "letter of permission" and got bumped. That sucked but I've moved on to bigger and better things now.
As for sky lights I would say go for it the natural light will be nice and like you say you won't be living in there so the winter heat loss and summer heat won't really matter. In the summer open the bay door and in the winter turn up the heat. Fans will help too.
It also looks like you will be having to turn after coming in the door to line up for the hoist. That's going to get old quick. I think a 2' wider door would help and possibly move the electrical panel. I would put it closer to the man door.
Good luck on the build.
I've been teaching for 18 years now. 14 to go. But I'm not counting. (grin)
I did my practicum at Delta Secondary School, so we're practically family!
The hoist is arbitrarily placed to decide on how it will all work for me. I drew the left post centered on the door opening, and the right post fell where it fell. If the hoist is narrower than I drew, then the right post will be inline with the right side of the door, and the left post will fall where it falls.
I planned on an 18' door (instead of the usual 16') to account for the width of the post in the middle.
Electrical panel is where it is to minimize heavy wire, and be close to the trench. Trench must run along the fence to avoid septic.
I really only have 8-1/2' between the corner of the house garage and the right side property line, so a large behemoth of a vehicle won't likely make it back there anyway.
I did my practicum at Delta Secondary School, so we're practically family!
The hoist is arbitrarily placed to decide on how it will all work for me. I drew the left post centered on the door opening, and the right post fell where it fell. If the hoist is narrower than I drew, then the right post will be inline with the right side of the door, and the left post will fall where it falls.
I planned on an 18' door (instead of the usual 16') to account for the width of the post in the middle.
Electrical panel is where it is to minimize heavy wire, and be close to the trench. Trench must run along the fence to avoid septic.
I really only have 8-1/2' between the corner of the house garage and the right side property line, so a large behemoth of a vehicle won't likely make it back there anyway.
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Looks like you grow rocks like I do. The more you dig the more they grow.There are SO many rocks. I'm glad I'm "paying the man," because I can't lift these rocks, and it only takes about 10 or so to reach the max capacity of my truck. I'd be hauling rocks away for most of this year and next.
Digging of the foundation is done (three days). Surveyor coming out Monday to mark the foundation, and then I do the footing forming and await my first inspection.
Digging of the foundation is done (three days). Surveyor coming out Monday to mark the foundation, and then I do the footing forming and await my first inspection.
kaymccampbell
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Wow! I thought I had a good rock crop.
It's amazing what hides under the pretty green grass.
It's amazing what hides under the pretty green grass.
bonecrrusher
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wow thats a ton or 2 of rocks!
That photo with with the dump truck was Friday. They worked 7:30am to 11:00am, and hauled away FOUR dump truck loads of rock in that time. Friday was day three of digging. They left me the "small" rocks.
Back fence is further onto the property than I want. I'm allowed 1.0m setback, but I end up with much less space than that to the fence. I may move the building 6 forward to give me a bit more room to walk around.
Bought 2x8's for forming. Probably pick up rebar tomorrow.
Back fence is further onto the property than I want. I'm allowed 1.0m setback, but I end up with much less space than that to the fence. I may move the building 6 forward to give me a bit more room to walk around.
Bought 2x8's for forming. Probably pick up rebar tomorrow.
jbmatth
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I like your style, do it yourself and have it done right. Or at least have no one else to blame. Keep at it good sir!
JB
JB
(Grin).
I guess. I'm ~less~ pissed off when I make the mistakes than if a paid professional makes them. I'm just a two-bit hack with zero experience trying to keep costs down.
Gas guy came today and ran the gas line. Waiting for the Safety Authority to OK the gas & electrical so I can fill in the trench. Meanwhile, I'm starting to fill in the drain rock.
Dump truck won't fit; Stone Slinger can't reach; Bobcat can't get in; drain rock is placed by hand.
I guess. I'm ~less~ pissed off when I make the mistakes than if a paid professional makes them. I'm just a two-bit hack with zero experience trying to keep costs down.
Gas guy came today and ran the gas line. Waiting for the Safety Authority to OK the gas & electrical so I can fill in the trench. Meanwhile, I'm starting to fill in the drain rock.
Dump truck won't fit; Stone Slinger can't reach; Bobcat can't get in; drain rock is placed by hand.
jbmatth
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As I get older I've learned to do things the easy way some of the time. Such as break up old concrete to move it rather than muscle 200 lb chunks around. However, that doesn't always work and you just have to buck up spend the many man hours required to get something done. Even one rock moved will get you there eventually.
Keep moving forward,
JB
Keep moving forward,
JB
Gas line test pressure leaked out, but is now fixed. Building inspector is on holidays. Safety Authority Inspector came by, so I'm filling the trench.
I got 7 loads done today - 7600lbs of sand. Might be able to finish tomorrow.
View out back from the top of the dirt pile:
View of the workshop, again, from said pile:
I got 7 loads done today - 7600lbs of sand. Might be able to finish tomorrow.
View out back from the top of the dirt pile:
View of the workshop, again, from said pile:
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Briggs
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Any new progress made lately?
I had no reply from the excavators regarding the crown of the ground.
Started putting some walls up.
Slab guy came to view the site, saw the "crown" and said (and I paraphrase...) "Damn." He phoned the excavators, and they came back the next day.
Today I got a ton and a half of crush and spent the day leveling and compacting and leveling and I think we got it really good now.
Noticed that at some point the excavator wacked the foundation wall hard enough to crack it. Pure joy. Quite a few chips taken out of the stub wall door openings too. *sigh* Two fence posts got wacked (though one looks rotten - not really their fault). Overall, not really impressed.
With any luck, slab poured next week.
Started putting some walls up.
Slab guy came to view the site, saw the "crown" and said (and I paraphrase...) "Damn." He phoned the excavators, and they came back the next day.
Today I got a ton and a half of crush and spent the day leveling and compacting and leveling and I think we got it really good now.
Noticed that at some point the excavator wacked the foundation wall hard enough to crack it. Pure joy. Quite a few chips taken out of the stub wall door openings too. *sigh* Two fence posts got wacked (though one looks rotten - not really their fault). Overall, not really impressed.
With any luck, slab poured next week.
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Your build is coming along nicely and really reflects the effort every one has done.
Looking forward to following your progress.
Regards
Looking forward to following your progress.
Regards