madison069
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The hardwares!!!!
I wouldn’t be able to even figure out how to itemize that amount of hardware!
I wouldn’t be able to even figure out how to itemize that amount of hardware!
Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT 3rd time's a charm with a 3 car workshop
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Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
Trapps
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That's a ton of history and a lifetime of collecting. Perhaps 2 lifetimes. When my time comes, my kids will be sorting tools in my shop that were mine, my father's and my grandfather's.
OutlawDrifter
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Same here, I make sure and point out the tools and who they belonged to when the boys are in the shop helping.
Yeah....there was a lot. I went back today with the 5 yr old to pick thru the books again for $1/each, cheap distraction as the 5 yr old needed an outing. With less "help", more time and fewer people around I probably could've come home with a lot more titles...but I got 2 or 3 more for me and found 5 or 6 books on animals with lots of fun pictures that the daughter picked out. National Geographic type, "Animals of Eastern Africa" for example....30+ year old book but the animals look the same!
I think "collecting" may be the appropriate description here, I could find very little evidence in the house of anything having actually been made by any of the tools. Bit of digging on the tax appraiser site then some google work indicates the husband passed in '88 and his wife in 2012 and their son who is at least in his 70's now was the owner now and I assume occupant. I think it's possible a lot of this was his father's and hasn't seen any use since the late 80's. Things that may have been made/worked on by who I think was the original owner of the tools could have easily disappeared in the last 30 years which makes a bit more sense as to why there wasn't any obvious working space in the house.
Back to my garage....
Been debating the merits of some of the stuff in the garage and was it really worth the square footage it was currently occupying....but hadn't made any decisions. I was apparently feeling "violently decisive" today...and went and smashed what seems like a cardinal rule of woodworkers on the interwebz: "you shall have a permanent, dedicated miter station"
After I took the saw off and pulled the vac out.
Point of no return:
2 minutes later:
And now:
The hand tool workbench I picked up a year ago moved from under the Wall Control panels to back behind the tablesaw along that wall for now...unsure of final landing spot. The mobile height adjust table then got parked under the wall control, previously it was sitting at the end of the large assy table blocking the jointer outfeed. Not really sure where the mitersaw is going to live now...will probably end up with one of the stands on wheels and when I am going to do alot will roll it out...otherwise between tracksaw, bandsaw and cross cutting on the tablesaw....I felt the space the cabinet was taking up was more valuable then the saw there was. Still have a bunch of stuff to put away, that blue/gray shop vac probably getting retired as it's the oldest and least capable in the garage....but in the couple hours since this has happened the extra space is nice.
Plus this should also hopefully motivate me to get off my tush and get at least 1 crosscut sled made for the tablesaw. I'd like to make at least 3 of them....a small one, a large one then one for 45's(or possibly variable angle).
Hoping this week to get some more stuff up for sale...including the Festool MFT I just don't use. Struggling on if I sell the Wilton 3.5" swivel jaw vise I acquired last year....it's one of the most valuable pieces in the garage and takes up little space....but also isn't costing me much and probably won't go down in value??? It'd probably buy me the TIG welder plus accy's I've been thinking off getting that I don't have time to use lol.
Trapps
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Shop evolution at its finest!
Keep the vise.
Keep the vise.
nicholam77
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Welcome to the club! With such a big table saw and if you make a nice sled, I can't imagine needing the miter station for cross cuts. I feel like it's most useful for actual miters or compound angles, stuff that might come up more often in carpentry. But you have so many other options like you said... miter gauge, track saw, etc. My miter saw is a piece of **** compared to yours (fence isn't even square), so it sits in the shed until I need it for something. But you could easily make a platform / base for yours that clamps to the assembly table, and some extension wings that do the same, if you want an impromptu setup.
Need to get a little more serious about freeing up some space. Local auction for a fabrication business that consolidated locations was today and this is joining the garage next week or the week after depending on when I get it picked up:
Brand unknown(listing said Furnas brand off the electrical box) and name plate was pretty wore so will see if I can determine manufacturer after getting it cleaned up. Was being used for metal so it's dirty but shouldn't take to much effort to clean up. $250 after buyers fees, pickup is local so that's easy. After cleanup will need to get a mobile base made for it and any required electrical modifications
Brand unknown(listing said Furnas brand off the electrical box) and name plate was pretty wore so will see if I can determine manufacturer after getting it cleaned up. Was being used for metal so it's dirty but shouldn't take to much effort to clean up. $250 after buyers fees, pickup is local so that's easy. After cleanup will need to get a mobile base made for it and any required electrical modifications
Basically same place my head is at.
The more I was thinking mobile saw base and then where do I put it...instead I think I'll just keep it simple and if necessary work off an existing mobile table or if its easier sawhorses in the driveway or grass. Driveway slopes enough that rolling one of the tables on wheels out there is sketchy. Now just need to find a moderately out of the way place to store it when not needed. I've debated selling the saw but I'd kick myself for that down the road. A hailstorm in about 2010 paid for it, took out the siding and roof on the house and I learned the hard way I didn't have "matching" coverage on insurance so they only covered new siding for 2 sides of the house, had I had matching coverage it would've paid out for 4 sides. But for the agreed upon damage check I was able to buy the material and some tools and do the entire thing so it worked out. Besides I was single living in the country in rural Iowa...what else was I going to do that spring/summer/fall and a bit of the following spring I think
Boostingaz
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I've been looking for a nice big one like that for awhile ! You son of a buck lol.
MadeByMiller
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Looks an awful lot like my old commercial Delta/Rockwell sander. Looks like yours may have a homemade shield/cover over the top of the belt. Eat your Wheaties before you pick that sucker up, they're all there. Nice pick up and a great price! I think I paid something like that for mine, but I can't recall.
madison069
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I don't envy you having to move that beast of a sander. Those are handy to have around the shop. It's one of those tools that if I could find the space, I'd buy one.
I screwed up a couple years ago and hesitated on a fully restored Delta one that was local for $250 or $300....been watching for one ever since!
Looks an awful lot like my old commercial Delta/Rockwell sander. Looks like yours may have a homemade shield/cover over the top of the belt. Eat your Wheaties before you pick that sucker up, they're all there. Nice pick up and a great price! I think I paid something like that for mine, but I can't recall.
It's incredibly close in appearance to yours! I was looking at the sander archives in OWWM and thought that the Rockwell/Delta was the closest...yours appears closer then the ones I was glancing at.
Plan is 2 wheel cart it up into the back of the pickup truck with a set of ramps. I'll have some plywood with me so if that doesn't work I can hopefully tilt it into the bed and just slide it on the plywood. They also have a loading dock I could use to ramp it down into the truck bed and riggers on hand but I hate to give the forklift jockey $50 bucks if I don't have to. I also have a buddy who used to work for the company and wouldn't mind to give a final farewell to some of the stuff that's left so if we can coordinate pickup times with his schedule I may have a willing fellow conspirator with me to help after he does a mini trip down memory lane. They had a 100th anniversary, gold painted Bridgeport Series 1 knee mill on the auction he had good memories of running and would've loved to have been able to buy....but he already has the same size mill and it went for over $4k after buyers fees etc so that was a little steep.
Trapps
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Beast of a machine!
MadeByMiller
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If memory serves me correctly, I removed the sander from the base when I loaded mine. I believe it's just four bolts and loosen the motor mount in the base so you can slip the belt off.
I think you're right, for now it stays...Thanks! Picture with some of it's friends before it and the small 2.5" one go back on a shelf most likely
Finishing up some valentines things for the kids classes on Wednesday....have to get final counts from the teachers on Monday but I'll have all but a couple of the name hearts for each run by tonight:
May make a couple scaled up ones for the teachers....but won't be as big as this one:
Frank on Instagram: "ITS DONE!! FLEXI REXI MAXXXX! 2ft tall. 4ft long. 10+lbs of filament. Wayyyyy too many print hours! #3dprinted #fidgettoys #3dprinting #dinosaur #toy"
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Couple updates....finished the dino army:
Made some 200% scaled up ones for the teachers:
Got the sander picked up...she's not very potty trained as it left **** everywhere:
And again after unloading at my house:
But under the grime was a well worn but still readable badge confirming the manufacturer:
So Rockwell Delta it is. Now to spend some time with a shop vac, then air compressor on getting it cleaned up more before bringing it in and then bathing it in simple green.
Made some 200% scaled up ones for the teachers:
Got the sander picked up...she's not very potty trained as it left **** everywhere:
And again after unloading at my house:
But under the grime was a well worn but still readable badge confirming the manufacturer:
So Rockwell Delta it is. Now to spend some time with a shop vac, then air compressor on getting it cleaned up more before bringing it in and then bathing it in simple green.
bigredcornhead
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Long time lurker, welcome to Omaha btw even though that was some time ago now! Hope you're enjoying!
Nameplate badge and SN dating from Vintage Machinery indicates late 60's vintage it appears, will dig into that later after its more cleaned up. 12" disc, 6" x 48 belt
At least got it emptied out of enough chips and grinding dust to get it inside and a bit of the grime cleaned up over lunch break
It is a 3 phase machine as expected, 1.5 HP motor that appears as to be original with Rockwell/Delta badge on it. Will do a bit of digging to decide if I put the VFD that's sitting on the shelf on it or if I drop in a different 120v or 240v motor and put the original motor on the shelf. Until then have some work to do obviously to finish cleaning it up then putting a mobile base under it. Not all original guarding is there but someone has made new ones for it that appear to work. Everything spins freely and sounds good so should just need a cleaning(not getting painted) and then decide on motor vs vfd and can go to work
At least got it emptied out of enough chips and grinding dust to get it inside and a bit of the grime cleaned up over lunch break
It is a 3 phase machine as expected, 1.5 HP motor that appears as to be original with Rockwell/Delta badge on it. Will do a bit of digging to decide if I put the VFD that's sitting on the shelf on it or if I drop in a different 120v or 240v motor and put the original motor on the shelf. Until then have some work to do obviously to finish cleaning it up then putting a mobile base under it. Not all original guarding is there but someone has made new ones for it that appear to work. Everything spins freely and sounds good so should just need a cleaning(not getting painted) and then decide on motor vs vfd and can go to work
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It definitely made more space for the addition that just showed up. Got 3 more things I think going up on the marketplace in the near future to try and help even more
Thanks! I'd say I'm sorry for not cheering for your local team....but I'm not
Definitely enjoying the unseasonably warm weather spell we've been having....though fully expecting Mother Nature to remind us it's Feb shortly. Ballpark what part of the area are you in?
MadeByMiller
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Watching to see what you end up doing with the vfd, as mine needs the same treatment.Nameplate badge and SN dating from Vintage Machinery indicates late 60's vintage it appears, will dig into that later after its more cleaned up. 12" disc, 6" x 48 belt
At least got it emptied out of enough chips and grinding dust to get it inside and a bit of the grime cleaned up over lunch break
It is a 3 phase machine as expected, 1.5 HP motor that appears as to be original with Rockwell/Delta badge on it. Will do a bit of digging to decide if I put the VFD that's sitting on the shelf on it or if I drop in a different 120v or 240v motor and put the original motor on the shelf. Until then have some work to do obviously to finish cleaning it up then putting a mobile base under it. Not all original guarding is there but someone has made new ones for it that appear to work. Everything spins freely and sounds good so should just need a cleaning(not getting painted) and then decide on motor vs vfd and can go to work
bigredcornhead
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Down in Bellevue, will keep up on your thread!Thanks! I'd say I'm sorry for not cheering for your local team....but I'm not
Definitely enjoying the unseasonably warm weather spell we've been having....though fully expecting Mother Nature to remind us it's Feb shortly. Ballpark what part of the area are you in?
Nice...just down the road from me! Hope the roads were slightly better for you this morning then they were here....slippery!
Little progress:
This open square of floorspace created by selling the 26 gal vertical air compressor. Have till fall to find a suitable horizontal one to go on a shelf up higher. If it wasn't for the $110 bucks a year it costs to blow out the sprinklers I could make a 5 or 10 gal one work just fine but will be looking for a 20 or so gal horizontal that doesn't weigh an absolute ton
Making the mobile base for the sander:
Somehow I had exactly 16 of the chosen fastener....will have to get more when I decide where the toe brake is going but for now it was spot on....maybe I should go buy a lottery ticket
And she's rolling
Raised the work surface approx 7", maybe a bit high but for it's sparing use it'll be just fine and having it mobile is far more valuable for me then the perfect work height
Next up is wiring stuff. I'll be going with the VFD approach as I already have the main components and variable speed for different materials sounds like a fun "nice to have"....more to come
This open square of floorspace created by selling the 26 gal vertical air compressor. Have till fall to find a suitable horizontal one to go on a shelf up higher. If it wasn't for the $110 bucks a year it costs to blow out the sprinklers I could make a 5 or 10 gal one work just fine but will be looking for a 20 or so gal horizontal that doesn't weigh an absolute ton
Making the mobile base for the sander:
Somehow I had exactly 16 of the chosen fastener....will have to get more when I decide where the toe brake is going but for now it was spot on....maybe I should go buy a lottery ticket
And she's rolling
Raised the work surface approx 7", maybe a bit high but for it's sparing use it'll be just fine and having it mobile is far more valuable for me then the perfect work height
Next up is wiring stuff. I'll be going with the VFD approach as I already have the main components and variable speed for different materials sounds like a fun "nice to have"....more to come
Pulled the motor to check wiring...and of course it's wired up how I want it (low voltage)
Oh well, needed to happen and lets me knock some more **** out inside of the base. Will get some new wire labels on all the leads and then get a new cord from the motor to VFD hooked up and it can go back inside
Oh well, needed to happen and lets me knock some more **** out inside of the base. Will get some new wire labels on all the leads and then get a new cord from the motor to VFD hooked up and it can go back inside
Far too nice to spend the last 30 minutes of the 8-5 in the office....the time will get made up later but this was definitely what a former boss would call a "Top 10 Day" with 68, sunny and slight breeze on Feb 20th.....Mother Nature will make us pay I'm sure
But it gave a chance to blow out some dust a bit....love the cordless leaf blower.
After that it was a bit of time with the label maker to help the next poor fool who pulls this motor out....hopefully it's not me.
And ready to go back in the base once I get a cord on it and a new ground attached
But it gave a chance to blow out some dust a bit....love the cordless leaf blower.
After that it was a bit of time with the label maker to help the next poor fool who pulls this motor out....hopefully it's not me.
And ready to go back in the base once I get a cord on it and a new ground attached
Lumpy102
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Looks an awful lot like the Rockwell 12/48 sander I have (I don't know the model #) 12 inch disc, 48 X 6 inch belt.Need to get a little more serious about freeing up some space. Local auction for a fabrication business that consolidated locations was today and this is joining the garage next week or the week after depending on when I get it picked up:
Brand unknown(listing said Furnas brand off the electrical box) and name plate was pretty wore so will see if I can determine manufacturer after getting it cleaned up. Was being used for metal so it's dirty but shouldn't take to much effort to clean up. $250 after buyers fees, pickup is local so that's easy. After cleanup will need to get a mobile base made for it and any required electrical modifications
Seems I should read to the end before replying
Good eye as it's the same! Thanks for joining in here...if you've got a picture of yours would love to see it!
jar944
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The addition of varible speed from the vfd should be nice.
Lumpy102
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This one is the newer delta, and it’s complete, my other one is the Rockwell/Delta, quite a bit older and missing a few parts, amazing how similar the two are
Little bit of progress:
The original 12/4 power cord, unsure yet where the vfd will get mounted so leaving it long for now. Wanted to get it back in the base but ran out of time before we had to leave for a party
Anyone need a new dovetail jig? Cleaned up and ready to go...the next item to get downsized due to lack of use
The original 12/4 power cord, unsure yet where the vfd will get mounted so leaving it long for now. Wanted to get it back in the base but ran out of time before we had to leave for a party
Anyone need a new dovetail jig? Cleaned up and ready to go...the next item to get downsized due to lack of use
I love those kind of days! Though I don't get the afternoon sun.
Since I bring things home from time to time I call it 5s'ing my lab haha.
Space is looking great! You guys are convincing me I need a few more industrial esque items.
Since I bring things home from time to time I call it 5s'ing my lab haha.
Space is looking great! You guys are convincing me I need a few more industrial esque items.
And another slight distraction from current project but a step in right direction on one that's been in the works longer....
3hp Delta dust collector blower...it's actually a barrel top model but I've got the barrel lid already off. Was about 10 minutes away and $80 bucks....but the catch is it's 3 phase.
But it works out as the 2 HP blower I had wasn't really what I wanted or felt was going to work longer term and now that I have some other filters laying around I didn't need the big pleated dust collector cartridge filter upgrade so was looking for a way to upgrade the blower capacity and hopefully allow me to put the other collector back together and on the market to sell....
So....new plan in rough order:
"current" 2HP Jet DC gets put back together and sold...neighbor up the street is actually needing a bigger one and it's exactly what he's looking for so hoping that works out.
Existing 5hp VFD gets pulled off the Delta disc/belt sander and goes back to it's originally intended purpose of dust collection motor control....just for this motor while also working thru mounting and probably some 3D printing of some adapters for intake air on this blower. This project has been drug out way too long so hopefully this helps push me over the hump and removes the mental justification of procrastination as I wasn't happy with the dust collection components.
New smaller frame 3HP vfd gets bought for the Delta...this should allow a few more mounting options...likely ends up being an Automation Direct GS20
3hp Delta dust collector blower...it's actually a barrel top model but I've got the barrel lid already off. Was about 10 minutes away and $80 bucks....but the catch is it's 3 phase.
But it works out as the 2 HP blower I had wasn't really what I wanted or felt was going to work longer term and now that I have some other filters laying around I didn't need the big pleated dust collector cartridge filter upgrade so was looking for a way to upgrade the blower capacity and hopefully allow me to put the other collector back together and on the market to sell....
So....new plan in rough order:
"current" 2HP Jet DC gets put back together and sold...neighbor up the street is actually needing a bigger one and it's exactly what he's looking for so hoping that works out.
Existing 5hp VFD gets pulled off the Delta disc/belt sander and goes back to it's originally intended purpose of dust collection motor control....just for this motor while also working thru mounting and probably some 3D printing of some adapters for intake air on this blower. This project has been drug out way too long so hopefully this helps push me over the hump and removes the mental justification of procrastination as I wasn't happy with the dust collection components.
New smaller frame 3HP vfd gets bought for the Delta...this should allow a few more mounting options...likely ends up being an Automation Direct GS20
82355
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I assume there is no three phase near your house?
Martin
Martin
For a residential neighborhood here it's essentially unavailable. I can see it on the pole outside my window just outside of the neighborhood, but they won't connect for residential developments like this even if money was no issue. All utilities in my neighborhood are underground as well, which makes changes in service more fun
So that leaves with (3) options:
- Change motors to single phase
- Frequency convert at each motor via VFD when feasible
- Frequency convert via phase converter, then feed either (1) machine directly or feed a 3 phase panel to then run to individual machines
I've thought about a rotary converter and putting a 3 phase panel in, but for what I'm doing I think it'll be a headache. If anything ever came home that needed a rotary phase converter it likely is coming with a significant shuffle of the equipment and will probably get a dedicated phase converter.
82355
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We had a rotary converter for the pivot here where I live. It blew up about a week after the local utility finished upgrading to three phase going past our farm. Probably the most convenient timing of any failure I have ever dealt with!
We knew three phase was coming when we put up the pivot, so we had ran underground wires for it, Just needed everything hooked up.
Martin
We knew three phase was coming when we put up the pivot, so we had ran underground wires for it, Just needed everything hooked up.
Martin
That was great timing!
We are fortunate on the farm and have both 3 phase service as well as natural gas service as we're just outside of town. We've got (2) electric pivots and (2) with power units. The service charge on the electric units when not running them is annoying... but it's far more convenient and if we could more cost effectively convert the other (2) to electric we would. I think the last quote we got which was before covid was 100k per mile for new 3 phase service for a pivot....so they'll keep their diesel power units.
We are fortunate on the farm and have both 3 phase service as well as natural gas service as we're just outside of town. We've got (2) electric pivots and (2) with power units. The service charge on the electric units when not running them is annoying... but it's far more convenient and if we could more cost effectively convert the other (2) to electric we would. I think the last quote we got which was before covid was 100k per mile for new 3 phase service for a pivot....so they'll keep their diesel power units.
Quick measure last night of the new dust collector input,
Quick sketch of the initial profile to go to 6" PVC, revolve it around the centerline and add (4) holes gets this:
Then you get this after pushing print to the Bambu....a cheap PETG filament, 5 hour print. Astute eyes may ask "is that another one one the bench?"....yeah...that's what happens when you don't actually measure the OD of the pipe to match and trust the first google result...oops. So I got to print 2 as the OD was a bit oversized...not the end of the world.
And that difference in shingy/matte finish is due to a material/filament change as the original material ran out
Will caulk that flange to the metal housing and use nylock nuts to reduce the risk of it vibrating loose but have to decide how the complete motor/impeller assy gets mounted. I don't think I want it sitting directly on my shelving system for risk of vibrating other things so probably going to come up with some sort of wall mount and then "hang" it with some type of vibration isolating motor mount
Quick sketch of the initial profile to go to 6" PVC, revolve it around the centerline and add (4) holes gets this:
Then you get this after pushing print to the Bambu....a cheap PETG filament, 5 hour print. Astute eyes may ask "is that another one one the bench?"....yeah...that's what happens when you don't actually measure the OD of the pipe to match and trust the first google result...oops. So I got to print 2 as the OD was a bit oversized...not the end of the world.
And that difference in shingy/matte finish is due to a material/filament change as the original material ran out
Will caulk that flange to the metal housing and use nylock nuts to reduce the risk of it vibrating loose but have to decide how the complete motor/impeller assy gets mounted. I don't think I want it sitting directly on my shelving system for risk of vibrating other things so probably going to come up with some sort of wall mount and then "hang" it with some type of vibration isolating motor mount
82355
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The farm I live on has electric power to the pivot, but the well has an old 504 NA Case diesel power unit on it. It is kind of silly, but it is also kind of nice. With no generator on the power unit, we can run it at whatever RPM we want to, go get the water flow we like (old well, it is sucking air somewhere), and with no electric motor on the well, we don't ever get shut down for load control.
The old man use to have all of his pivots running off diesel, but over the past twenty years, he has been switching over to electric on some. He now has five pivots on electric (well and pivot), and three on diesel (with a generator for the pivot). He was split down the middle, but he switched one more this winter.
Martin
The old man use to have all of his pivots running off diesel, but over the past twenty years, he has been switching over to electric on some. He now has five pivots on electric (well and pivot), and three on diesel (with a generator for the pivot). He was split down the middle, but he switched one more this winter.
Martin