CBacres ex horse barn shop
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Chrisb62
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I see a few things that would just go into my trailer to "HELP" you make room. 
No, Shorty’s not here, I just thought I’d steal some of the limelight from him.
I swapped the two mills, the BP is now in its place. The casters were being cantankerous with the 2,400 lbs of mill when I asked them to change direction some, so out came the prybar. I was reaching under the table to coax the caster to swivel just a shade and the prybar slipped just a shade, redirecting the momentum of my arm into the bottom edge of the table and to add insult to injury, smashed my finger! I may torch these casters later!
All in all, it moved fairly easy other than that incident.
Look a path! My son comment how good it looked, I just told him it was where the dozer went through.
Group photo.
Nice thing about the mills is being able to adjust the tables to clear things to get by.
In its corner. I’ll need to tweak its position later on.
This is a great project to be almost over with.
mybigwarwagon
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You know, if you don't do that, you won't bleed.
harley jim
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If you are not bleeding, you ain't having fun. The mill looks good there.
Toolfool
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I don't get this Southern thing. Spend money on tools and machinery and then let them rust in an unconditioned shed. 
So this just happens in the South, not in other humid areas? I could of sworn I’ve read about guys fighting rust elsewhere in the country.I don't get this Southern thing. Spend money on tools and machinery and then let them rust in an unconditioned shed.
No John, not quite the way it goes. Your making the assumption that these were all rust free when bought. Can’t always find completely rust free old iron, I get the best I can for what $$$ I can spend. That goes for the pricey things like rotary tables and such, stuff that I would not spend $700 to have one, but jump on a rusty $100 one in an instant.
Yes, some have grown some rust since I’ve had, but the vast majority I keep coated to keep rust at bay.
Not everyone can do a conditioned shop, I’m guessing it’d probably take a minimum of $6K to seal, insulate and get decent A/C to make it work. A lot of the work I do with doors open and on the porch, mostly dirty steel and welding work, so a conditioned shop probably not really for me.
A conditioned room for the lathe and mill has been discussed, just not in the cards right now.
Thanks for stopping in.
harley jim
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I had way more problems with rusty tool when I was in chicago than I do now. I guess you just learn to take care of things.
I’m better at staying ahead now than in the past, generally, when new (new to me) tooling comes in, it gets sprayed down when CRC or similar.
I’ve been on the hunt for the coatings that actually dry. Found one and when I went to get more, the company was brought out by Zep. I didn’t get to order and moved offices and lost my notes. I’ll find out again and post up here.
As my thread title indicates, my shop is a former horse barn, still pretty open in areas. Will be working to close these up as the owls and birds must be telling of a good place to roost!
LutzTD
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totally agree, and same for me, I buy the best I can afford which is far from best, then I have to fix most things, I am somewhat handy as most on here probably are. I was lucky in that I built my shop and was able to make some provisions for air. i keep my air set at 80, in only one section where the machines are. which helps the temp swings that cause condensation as well as keeping the humidity down which tend to go up with temp. so the ac runs when its most humid. I also coat everything with boeshield wax.
Craptain
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I too am a great fan of Boeshield. I have used it and it works in the marine environment, so the workshop is relatively easy.
rmack898
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I too am fighting the rust battle since moving south. If I ever get finished with building my shop, it will take me at least a year or two to de-rust and preserve all of the tools that have rusted since the move.
Even with generous use of Boeshield on the front end, oxidation finds a way.
Even with generous use of Boeshield on the front end, oxidation finds a way.
Chrisb62
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I am blessed with being able to air condition my shop now , but in the past I was not as fortunate. And rust did creep in but it is not as much of a issue with metal working equipment as long as it is only surface rust. With wood working equipment it is a major issue as it will stain lumber or leave marks that must be sanded out. That is not to say that some people don’t address surface rust until it becomes a minefield of deep rust pockets. Cast iron that most machines are made of will have surface rust within 5 minutes of a change in temperature/ humidity.
harley jim
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I really dont have a rust problem here, I guess you guys get the salt air influence.
I have a window a/c unit in the back wall of the fab shop, its insulated and covered in ½" osb that I caulked heavily and painted about four coats of paint, just for the fire resistance, I didnt want sparks to be able to get in the cracks. Said all of that to say that this may be helping me with the rust, but I'm not sure, Its very rare that I turn on the a/c.
I hear a lot of guys wax there machines with auto past wax to keep rust down, dunno!
I have a window a/c unit in the back wall of the fab shop, its insulated and covered in ½" osb that I caulked heavily and painted about four coats of paint, just for the fire resistance, I didnt want sparks to be able to get in the cracks. Said all of that to say that this may be helping me with the rust, but I'm not sure, Its very rare that I turn on the a/c.
I hear a lot of guys wax there machines with auto past wax to keep rust down, dunno!
Jim, it’s just good old Florida moisture, I’m A good 20 miles from the Gulf. I think your igloo goes a long ways to helping with moisture control even without A/C. My shed annex is pretty tight compared to the shop and I don’t seem to have as much issue with rust in there.
Like Chris mentioned on surface rust, I’ve always have had to do the minor derust and coat the cast iron areas over the years.
I’m planning on blocking in the open spaces between the trusses on of the walls, mainly to control the birds/owls from using shop as the local bird inn and the occasional rat. I think this may also help with the open flow of moisture.
Meanwhile, a supply of corrosion spray and Boeshield will hold me over.
Like Chris mentioned on surface rust, I’ve always have had to do the minor derust and coat the cast iron areas over the years.
I’m planning on blocking in the open spaces between the trusses on of the walls, mainly to control the birds/owls from using shop as the local bird inn and the occasional rat. I think this may also help with the open flow of moisture.
Meanwhile, a supply of corrosion spray and Boeshield will hold me over.
Toolfool
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Craig, I'm not pointing a finger at you. Ever since I started to look for machines to replace the machines I sold in WA all I see are rusty equipment. There's a guy on FBMP right now with an ad asking for $60k for a bunch of Powermatic "brand new machines ( table saw, planer, band saw, lathe, etc.). ALL unboxed , no warranty, with rusted surfaces, and he's asking very close to new machine prices. I contacted him to point out these negatives and his only response was "These are BRAND NEW, NEVER USED and $500 less than store prices right now." For me, my time in the shop needs to be productive, not spent repairing and cleaning tools and machines to get to a productive point. Maybe because this was how I made a living. I've spent waaay too much on my new shop, but I wouldn't be satisfied with a shell and rusting tools.
LutzTD
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yeah that is BS, when you clean off the rust it is never the same finish as the original. there should be a much greater discount or let them sit on it. I would love to have mill tables and ways with the scraping intact, but that never survives the first good rust. but all of my stuff is tight and serviceable, but will never bring the value of one with fresh scraped ways
I agree with losing the original finish.
The BP mill I just bought still has very visible scrapings. The old guy I bought from was instructing me not to go overboard with degreaser to clean up and to keep coated with machine oil. I cleaned a lot of the painted surfaces, the bare parts are not really that bad. It’s had 2-3 spray downs with CRC 3-36 as it was sitting under a tarp on my shop porch.
harley jim
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I just wish I had a bridgeport. I could spend days on end milling just to watch the cutter, something so satisfying to see.
shortykorte
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I don’t have rust problems, I keep out all the hot air. 
Craptain
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Now it's all wrapped up, how are you going to get it on the trailer?
Chrisb62
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Probably just hook onto the plastic wrap.......stronger than steel nowadays.
He will check with Shorty for the proper method.....
He will check with Shorty for the proper method.....
mybigwarwagon
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Whenever someone asks how we are going to load something, I tell them Steph has pms and I just have to make her mad.
mybigwarwagon
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I wouldn't want her to damage your truck. She tends to throw things.
Craptain
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2 weeks and nothing from Craig?
What's happening in the horse barn?
What's happening in the horse barn?
Nothing exciting, new tires and serviced the horse trailer, drink beer, helped daughter change oil in her car so she can learn to do on her own, service our mower, drink beer.
Making a pile to go to auction, picturing other stuff to list.
Drink beer. It’s almost too hot to drink much beer!
Sifan
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Before Daughter got her dr license, my rule, she had to change a tire, and know basic car maintenance.
Fast forward a few years and she had worked up from part time teller at credit union to branch manager at the credit union. One morning she gets a call from a teller and his car battery is dead and can't make it into work. Daughter "Get ready, I have jumper cables and I'll be there in 15 minutes ... and your car battery better be dead when I get there"
She's now the Vice President of Operations at the same Credit Union, pretty proud of her
shortykorte
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Two new mills and nothing from the Captain’s quarters or the barn.
Craptain
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Craptain has been working on the paying job rather than the paying to do it job.Two new mills and nothing from the Captain’s quarters or the barn.
But now I'm going to the much cooler north for a couple of months. The Mill will, that is, better, be there when I get home again. Or I will be looking for Shorty.
I was in the neighborhood of my favorite scrap yard today and stopped in.
I spotted these and felt I needed to defend my reputation on caster procurement, so out came the ratchet.
I missed these green ones on the way in.
Came with mounting bolts with Loctite.
In the past when I bought casters here, it was $.30 per pound.
I guess inflation has hit everything, they priced them at $5 each, so about double what I was anticipating, but I had a lot of sweat invested at that point. I have a intended use for each, so I’m good with that pricing. There all US made, industrial casters.
I spotted these and felt I needed to defend my reputation on caster procurement, so out came the ratchet.
I missed these green ones on the way in.
Came with mounting bolts with Loctite.
In the past when I bought casters here, it was $.30 per pound.
I guess inflation has hit everything, they priced them at $5 each, so about double what I was anticipating, but I had a lot of sweat invested at that point. I have a intended use for each, so I’m good with that pricing. There all US made, industrial casters.
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shortykorte
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I actually looked at and asked about those casters. I believe they told me $5 a piece so I passed out then passed on them.
Those green ones would look good on the welding table.
Those green ones would look good on the welding table.
mybigwarwagon
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Space casters.