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Welds look great Steven! :thumbup: I gotta get me a MIG.....:sad:

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I’m so happy with the Millermatic 255. I have a lot to learn on the TIG side.

Dang nice bandsaw. You ****!
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AoH upgrade is on my list for my press, w/ foot pedal as you have done. Everything is looking so clean and tidy nice job.

The AoH worked out great. Time will tell on the durability of the Amazon foot valve. I ordered some pneumatic stuff from Automation Direct today and noticed the sell them. Their pneumatic stuff has been great quality and is definitely lasting where I’ve used it in the shop.
 
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Progress on the material rack. Welded all the end caps on. Started with TIG. I need a lot of practice. Switched to MIG after the first 4 or so. That dramatically sped up the process. Really loving the Millermatic 255.

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Drilled the holes with the mag drill. The mdf layout template makes it all so much faster and helps with getting good results.

Got one of the uprights welded up tonight. I think this is going to work out well.

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I’m no pro welder. Self taught. I dialed up the auto-set for 1/4” (thickness of the flat bar) and it really welded nice. Here are a few welds..

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A buddy told me about a good powder coat shop. I’m planning on taking this to them once I’m finished welding it together.
 

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Why are you not closing the welds on the corners?


I touched up the corners after the TIG photos were taken yesterday. When I switched to MIG, I started tacking all four corners and then welding into those corner tack welds. They are all welded around the corners now.
 

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SD: i've been gone for a while so i've got some catching up to do on your threads. still wanted to stop by and make a quick post and wish you a very happy 2021 and hope you keep up the good work on all your projects.

also I just saw your CADET "the hot one" on your wall and is it a 4 or 5000? how do you like it? i'm guessing it runs on 220 so any idea how costly and is it your only heat source or just a back up?

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Why are you not closing the welds on the corners?

My understanding is that welding the corners increases stress but does little for additional strength as there is already plenty of weld area (in this case). I only fully weld anything if I want to keep moisture out or for a specific look.

Plus when I screw up and realize I have to cut it apart it is much easier. Especially inside corners.
 

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"My understanding is that welding the corners increases stress but does little for additional strength".
Not welding the corners increases stress points as the weld are inconsistent.
 
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Clamped to the door to see how it will look on the wall.

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All welded up.

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Should be back from powder coat next week.

This is the before photo (the sticks behind the drill press).

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Ellis bandsaws are dry and they don’t recommend coolant. They offer an air blast setup, but it’s $300 + shipping and taxes. I decided to roll my own. All parts come from Automation Direct. Drilled and tapped one hole to mount the air nozzle and two to mount the solenoid valve. The saw has a receptacle for this purpose so the wiring was zero effort. The air line slipped behind things and is out of the way. The needle valve allows you to dial in air flow. About a 15 minute project. Works great! I had the 1/4” airline and supply fittings already on hand. Cost was about $65.

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SD: nice upgrade on your bandsaw with the air!!

congrats on getting married. WOW with all you do i didn't think you slept much less had time to get married too.

i've owned 5 honda CRV's (new 98 and 05) and bought a 98 manual for a fun car and a couple 2001's for my kids 12 years ago. they are great cars/suv's and I bet my family has a million miles on them. since your wife likes her 2004 i'm guessing she's pretty smart so hang on to that gal cause she's a keeper.

I just caught up on all your doings in your shop (well all that i can understand cause you've got a lot of new stuff I wouldn't have a clue how to use) and it looks better than most shops i've been to where there is 10-20 guys working there. is the plan to hire a crew some day to make better use of all this cool stuff or is this still just a shop for you to do what you like?

keep up the good work and here's to a great 2021
 

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Man, i really need to come up with some sort of metal storage like you. Shop looking good! Congrats on getting married!
 

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Ellis bandsaws are dry and they don’t recommend coolant. They offer an air blast setup, but it’s $300 + shipping and taxes. I decided to roll my own. All parts come from Automation Direct. Drilled and tapped one hole to mount the air nozzle and two to mount the solenoid valve. The saw has a receptacle for this purpose so the wiring was zero effort. The air line slipped behind things and is out of the way. The needle valve allows you to dial in air flow. About a 15 minute project. Works great! I had the 1/4” airline and supply fittings already on hand. Cost was about $65.

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That is a nice setup.... I don’t like running coolant on my HEM saw either. If you happen to have the parts you used handy and it’s not too much bother I would like to try and duplicate that system.... Thanks.


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They offer the nozzle base and air jet nozzle in a few lengths. I went with 1” base and 2” nozzle.

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I’m adding a blow gun to blow chips off the saw.
 

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They offer the nozzle base and air jet nozzle in a few lengths. I went with 1” base and 2” nozzle.

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Steven, that is awesome. Thank you very much for posting those items! I appreciate your help and for the inspiration.


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On my way home with this little 14x30 lathe.

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1953 American Tool Works Pacemaker 14 x 30. 15HP spindle, taper attachment, lube pump, 27 speed. About 5000 pounds. I am stoked to say the least!
 

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On my way home with this little 14x30 lathe.

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1953 American Tool Works Pacemaker 14 x 30. 15HP spindle, taper attachment, lube pump, 27 speed. About 5000 pounds. I am stoked to say the least!



Welcome to the Pacemaker club! I had been wanting either that lathe or a Monarch but after seeing Mack’s restoration thread on Hobby Machinist and then seeing ‘86’s thread on his restoration I bit the bullet and found a ‘47 16” x 56”. They are stout lathes and beautifully made. Nice Score!

That looks like an L1 mount which if it is I have some chucks and face plates that might be of use...

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Welcome to the Pacemaker club! I had been wanting either that lathe or a Monarch but after seeing Mack’s restoration thread on Hobby Machinist and then seeing ‘86’s thread on his restoration I bit the bullet and found a ‘47 16” x 56”. They are stout lathes and beautifully made. Nice Score!

That looks like an L1 mount which if it is I have some chucks and face plates that might be of use...

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Thank you! I’d like to find a 3 jaw. It is an L1. PM sent!
 

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On my way home with this little 14x30 lathe.

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1953 American Tool Works Pacemaker 14 x 30. 15HP spindle, taper attachment, lube pump, 27 speed. About 5000 pounds. I am stoked to say the least!
Doesn't look very rigid, better take light cuts when you use it lol.. That thing is a beast

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Nice lathe Steven and welcome to the club.

It looks to be in great condition and has a nice Newall DRO.
The first time you hear a 1/4" thick chip hit the chip pan you'll be guaranteed to have a huge smile on your face.

Enjoy.
 

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Thank you for sharing the part numbers for the Ellis Band Saw Chiller.

Enjoy your new lathe!
 

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Man that is a beauty. Well equipped, with a collet chuck, taper attachment, DRO, you're going to love that thing. These lathes are BEASTS. I've heard they'll take a 1/4" cut at 90 thou/rev with a mirror finish. Don't think I'D do that, but heard they can. Enjoy your new lathe!
 

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Dang, 15 HP on a 14x30 (!) Do you have electrical service for that? Or VFD to limit inrush?

Fantastic machine, I really like the C80, I have those in Mill and Lathe, I had one reader-head on a Microsyn 5 -Z axis go out after 6 years of ownership on a 5 year warranty, but got a good used one from ebay and I'm off to the races again. Like the simple robust display.

I ran Monumentally Large Pacer in Birmingham, AL as part of a shop visit once, it was 25HP and about an 8-groove sheave under the end cover, think we were told to take a 1/2" doc on a steel bar lol.
 
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Nice lathe Steven and welcome to the club.

It looks to be in great condition and has a nice Newall DRO.
The first time you hear a 1/4" thick chip hit the chip pan you'll be guaranteed to have a huge smile on your face.

Enjoy.

Thank you! This is my first lathe to speak of. I have had two prior, but one was a tiny Logan and the other was a project that was sold prior to my move. So, in effect, this is my first lathe. I can't see taking heavy cuts any time soon.
 
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Thank you for sharing the part numbers for the Ellis Band Saw Chiller.

Enjoy your new lathe!

I'm happy to see how many people are interested in this. Very cool. Sharing what we come up with is a big part of what we all come on here for. Thank you for the words of encouragement!
 
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Man that is a beauty. Well equipped, with a collet chuck, taper attachment, DRO, you're going to love that thing. These lathes are BEASTS. I've heard they'll take a 1/4" cut at 90 thou/rev with a mirror finish. Don't think I'D do that, but heard they can. Enjoy your new lathe!

Yeah, the heavy cuts are intimidating at this point. For now, I just want to get it set in place, powered up and some basic tooling so I can learn my way around. Thanks for your help yesterday. I appreciate it!
 
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Dang, 15 HP on a 14x30 (!) Do you have electrical service for that? Or VFD to limit inrush?

Fantastic machine, I really like the C80, I have those in Mill and Lathe, I had one reader-head on a Microsyn 5 -Z axis go out after 6 years of ownership on a 5 year warranty, but got a good used one from ebay and I'm off to the races again. Like the simple robust display.

I ran Monumentally Large Pacer in Birmingham, AL as part of a shop visit once, it was 25HP and about an 8-groove sheave under the end cover, think we were told to take a 1/2" doc on a steel bar lol.


Yes, 15HP!

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I have a 20HP phase converter that I plan to power it with. Looking at 3 phase panels this evening for the phase converter install. Phase converter nameplates:

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This phase converter was running a cnc lathe before I got it. Should do the job. The lathe will be starting unloaded which should help with inrush. I got a new, spare cross slide scale with the lathe and the DRO works. Really happy with the whole thing.
 

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If my memory serves me correctly this is one of the last big pieces of equipment for your shop. What left on the wish list?
I could see you doing added manufacturing or rapid prototyping in that killer shop you put together.
 

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Was going to comment that a good source of tech info for this beast would be the American Heavy Iron section on Practical Machinist....and I see you're already there! Enjoy the new addition to what has to be the best equipped upholstery shop on the Pacific NW

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that's a monster. biggest motor I have at work is 50HP (not a lathe), and it's a DOL start, because someone was cheap back when they installed it. I wish it was Y ∆, but at this point a VFD would cost the same (probably less) to install, and have better start characteristics.
 
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I still have a bit of a dream sheet for the shop. This was a great find and one of those last tools. This is the last manual lathe I’ll need.. Unless I found a deal on a 10EE. ;)

Well... I had planned on having a telehandler delivered to get the lathe off the trailer and into the shop. I was watching Pacemaker videos last night and came across a guy unloading a bigger one with his two post lift. My two buddies came over this morning and we went to work. I don’t have pictures because it weighs 5000 pounds and moving it is no joke.

Backed the trailer into the lift bay. It was a close fit, but it fit. Used some large aluminum bar that I had to go under the bed and tie each pair of lift arms together. Used big F clamps to keep all that in place. Test lift went well so we lifted it off the deck a few inches and drove the trailer out. Lowered it onto several chunks of 1/2 pipe. There was no moving it easily. Ended up using an old chain fall to drag it on the pipe with the machinery bar. It had to go about 5’, turn 90 and then over about 16’. All told took 2.5 hours. It’s in its final resting spot, safely on the floor.

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I’m waiting on a breaker to supply the phase converter. Once I have that, I’ll temporarily power it directly from the phase converter and see how it goes. Hopefully that works well. 15HP is a LOT of motor. Many had 7.5hp and I wish this one did. Nonetheless, if the phase converter works I’ll send its output to a 3 phase panel and a feeder from the panel to the lathe. If it doesn’t, I’ll be buying a vfd similar to what powers the mill and use it as a phase converter only.

Lathe needs some cleaning and a basic going over.

I am spent. Moving this thing was a chore.
 

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Steven, glad to see you got it unloaded and in it's new home but I think you're a little bit north of 5000*s, most likely closer to 7K.

I certainly don't want to insult you but since by your own admission this is your first real lathe, I feel the need to remind you to respect that 15HP spindle. It WILL eat you for lunch of you let your guard down. I knew a guy that lost his life in the spindle of a big lathe and it haunts many that knew him.

A 10EE is a nice compliment to a Pacemaker, trust me on that. An FP1 Deckle would make it a hat trick.

OK, I'm done stirring the pot for now.
 
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Steven, glad to see you got it unloaded and in it's new home but I think you're a little bit north of 5000*s, most likely closer to 7K.

I certainly don't want to insult you but since by your own admission this is your first real lathe, I feel the need to remind you to respect that 15HP spindle. It WILL eat you for lunch of you let your guard down. I knew a guy that lost his life in the spindle of a big lathe and it haunts many that knew him.

A 10EE is a nice compliment to a Pacemaker, trust me on that. An FP1 Deckle would make it a hat trick.

OK, I'm done stirring the pot for now.


Mac, thank you. My friends that helped me unload and place the machine are both very experienced machinists. They offered some great advice. I welcome these kinds of messages. Always. We don’t always know what we don’t know. Sincerely, thank you!

I’m the protection and controls foreman in the largest power house on the continent. I deal with very large electrical quantities daily. One of the ways I do my best to stay safe and keep my guys safe is to always keep the magnitudes in perspective. 15HP motor is nothing to risk tangling with. I plan to start simple and have no interest in deep cuts or finding the limits of the lathe. I’ll stick with my beginner limits ;)

I wouldn’t pass on a 10EE. But, I’m not too concerned about adding anything to the shop for a while.

Thanks again! I’m beyond excited to get it powered up and see it move.
 
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