Falcon's next shop - build thread

[Falcon67]

I'd seriously consider holding onto 1 or 2 of those bundles, in case you ever have to replace any shingles down the road.

Yep, I'll keep one. Too tired to put them in the truck last night anyway.

Drip edge is regular galvanized - it'll catch paint when I get to that point.

Not bad for an amateur. Hope it's stuck good. It was a balmy 90F yesterday, tomorrow the high is predicted at 45-50, rain, wind to 30MPH out of the north. Roofing is apparently a good workout, if you ask most of my leg, shoulder and back muscles. (View looking due west)

Before I totally crashed, I got up some Z flashing and got the end gables skinned with tech shield. Looks a little less like a picnic pavilion.

I scoped out some Kelly-Moore KM-15 floor paint on my lunch break. Could get walls by Sunday. I was going to put some treated 1x4 about the base for the siding but I think now I may just set some 5/16" Z flash and put up the Hardi. Papa likes the breeze but wants walls.

 

[Nighttrain]

Your going to want those walls this weekend when it gets cold. Be careful in the high winds

 

[NUTTSGT]

Galvanized, ok iy looked black in that picture. I guess I'm the only one that uses black drip edge.


The shingles came out looking nice and straight.

 

[Falcon67]

The shingles came out looking nice and straight.

LOL - looks that way in the picture and from the street anyway. In real life - plenty good enough. I was going to strike lines, measure off steps - brain said "screw it, mind the exposure and get yer *** to work".

 

[bighammer]

All looks good to me!!! When you gonna cover the walls??

 

[Falcon67]

I may go get the material on Saturday morning. Problem is that if we get the predicted rain, most of the perimeter will be too soggy to do much siding. Also depends on the lot dampness - 36 siding panels equals 2700 lbs. Then we fall off daylight savings time next weekend, and that puts a hurt on evening work time.

 

[bighammer]

your studs look to be on 24"oc instead of 16"oc why??

 

[NUTTSGT]

I'm sure I missed it somewhere, what are you using for side walls ?

 

[Rich H.]

If I had to take a guess, it sort of looks like 2x6 walls 24" oc, to cram more insulation in there?

Sure looks good so far. Have you done that kind of carpentry work in the past Chris? Looks like you've got alot of skill developed in that dept, and it could not have come easily....

 

[Falcon67]

your studs look to be on 24"oc instead of 16"oc why??

Just did it that way - it's all that is required for the siding. 2x4 studs on 24" for R13 wall insulation. I may go back and add a few studs because after reading the Hardi install manual they recommend a double stud at the joints for Sierra 8. However, I did not use a double on the last building and it worked out. But it would be easier to nail with doubles. I'm covering with HardiPanel Sierra 8 :

http://www.jameshardiecommercial.com/hardiepanel.shtml

For applications that call for vertical siding, HardiePanel® vertical siding is equal to our lap siding in value and long-lasting performance. Because of its structural strength, HardiePanel siding may be used as a shear panel. When combined with HardieTrim® planks, it can also help you achieve a board-and-batten look.

• Primed cement fiber siding
• Woodgrain textured finish w/ grooves 8" OC
• 5/16" thick x 4' width x 8' length
• 4 Pieces per square
• Use 100% acrylic paint
• Cut w/ shears, scoring knife or carbide tipped blade
• Pre-drilling not required
• 16" or 24" on center
• Use 6d galvanized nails or No. 8 screws
• Flame, rot, impact, termite, moisture resistant
• Will not engulf in flames!
• Contains portland, sand, cellulose fiber,additives
• Minimum 6" clearance of soil
• Qualifies as rock/brick on homeowners insurance by most companies

Skils - um, just not so afraid to try things. I read a lot too. Can't screw it up so bad that I can't pay someone to fix it. Or, figure out a way to hide it. Like the one soffit panel I cut 1" too narrow. (!@#$# - 7/16" underlayment plus 3/4 trim board = invisible mistake) I got some things rubbed off though I'm sure - my grandfather retired from the MK&T railroad and spent his "leisure" retirement years taking apart Pullman cars and recycling the lumber into fishing barges, cabins and whatnot around Lake Whitney. One of those guys that could cut a compound angle for a jack rafter with pencil, and eyeball and a hand crosscut saw. (not me LOL - but I still have the saw) My dad was a tech for IBM and did wood work as a hobby. He and grandad built a huge addition on our house, built a new 20x24 garage and other stuff while I was growing up. Dad did all the cabinets too, plumbing and wiring. I redid the garage at our first house, did some minor repair work on that one, rewired some of it. We had a couple of new houses, then the Merkel house which was a 1920s model. I had that house apart almost as much as the race car. Exterior walls gutted and repaired, windows replaced, wiring, two complete bath re-dos from tear out to finish - all that kind of stuff. Plus building the 20x24 shop from scratch. Too cheap to pay for some things and I just know if I keep on it I can make it look pretty decent. Most times. I'm just having fun. And if I screw it up, I just pry it off, go get some more and try again.

 

[Falcon67]

Nothing much to report. Got the windows in last week, that was about it. Low E, double pane 2-0x3-0.

Then we shared time with friends this weekend down on the coast. They married off the last son of three. We hung out some on Surfside, then spent Saturday on Bryan Beach south of Freeport. They rented a house right on the intercostal and we partied late. Breakfast in Surfside on Sunday, then we tried to beat all the Harley's heading home from the biker rally in Galveston. Perfect weekend in the mid 70's with an on shore breeze - the number I heard was around 400,000 people. Bikes eveyrwhere and we didn't even get within 50 miles of Galveston. In all that, we did a pit stop in the middle of Texas and ran into 4 sets of biker friends. Big state, small world. I beat the hell out of the Fiesta, running 75+ down and back and the average gas mileage went from 35.8 to 36.3. Love that pip squeak of a car. We miss all the "fun" - daughter texted Saturday night that she felt the OK earthquake back at home.

Nothing going to happen this week I think - we were supposed to get the weather that is in OK this evening, or I'd have gone and got some siding. Big Race at the track this weekend, so that's shot. Car's broke/sick/something so I'll just be there and help out. Grandma can run her Mustang, maybe win some Christmas cash.

 

[Falcon67]

I finally got a weekend to work. Saturday and Sunday were forecast to be nice - 70s and sunny. Saturday was just that, so I picked up 30 pieces of Hardi Sierra 8 siding, some flashing and the last bit of electrical conduit for the feed. We also had some family stuff, so it was later before I got to hammer on things. Most of Saturday was spent finishing the electric pull from the house to the shop. When I went to mount the panel, I discovered that I bought a 1 1/2" threaded adapter instead of a 2", so $3.50 worth of gas later I had the correct $1.03 adapter.

Sunday - well, the weather people blew it. I got out about 10 and it was 48F. By 2 it was all they way up to 46F and misting off and on. I was really wishing we'd had time to put siding on the north wall! I finished up the soffits and the double studs for hanging the siding and by late in the day we could start hanging. My wife came out, helped with a panel, then I'd cut a panel and she would go in and get more sweaters. We put up 6 panels and she had 5 layers on by the time we finished. We got a start on it anyway. I changed my mind about wrapping the whole building with tar paper. It's not continually conditioned, so I just put a layer around the base. I'll hang some around the windows to help keep any water penetration off the insulation. With the wind and trying to hang 75 lb panels, the 15 lb felt would have been shredded anyway.

Cold and rain today, so I'll try to run the rest of the power cable through the house attic and maybe get power out there and a couple of outlets hay-wired up by Thanksgiving. I cheated on the soffits - I was going to bore 4" holes for security light buckets on the four corners. After pricing a 4" hole saw that would be used only 4 times, I just punched some 2" holes where the lights will go and will screw the bases to the soffit. I can fish the wires to that, good enough.

 

[royalton10]

Chris -

Your garage is looking great. I have been following your build posts.

I am not an electrican. Not sure if you have an inspector. But an inspector might red tag you with a missing nut that goes on top of the pvc piece with threads that enters the box.

Always enjoy your posts. When does the Dayton G73 heater go in?

Doug

 

[Falcon67]

>When does the Dayton G73 heater go in?
When I get a few walls and some insulation LOL.

I have a nut/bushing that fits the top of the plastic but since the adapter was plastic and soft, I didn't think it was required. The insulation on the wire is a lot tougher than the plastic. I am due for an electrical/framing final once I get siding and rough electric. I have a propane heater to help in the space until the ceiling is in.

EDIT - If I had a chocolate chip cookie, I'd air freight it to you. I ran into our company electrician and he confirmed that the bushing is required.

 

[Falcon67]

More bites out of the elephant - We got the back siding up today. We have been sitting out in lawn chairs when the weather is nice, so it feels like we're closing in the sun porch.

Wife is going to start the Thanksgiving stuff early while I cut more siding, then see how much we can get done before dinner. Rain coming Friday so we're going to try and box it in. It rained a bit Monday, then was cool and cloudy all day Tuesday. Today it was 70 and nice but we have mud tracked everywhere.

Son-in-law had to work late, so grandma picked up the bitty grandkid and I worked on power after that. Takes two to handle those heavy panels. After a little more attic work I had the feed into the service panel off the meter.

Dinner, a lot of splicing under the eve and at 9:45PM the shop is running on it's own power.

 

[rickairmedic]

Awesome I say you put the tree up in the garage instead of the house this year for Christmas .

Rick

 

[onething]

Awesome I say you put the tree up in the garage instead of the house this year for Christmas .

Rick

Or at least 'a tree project'

 

[Vernmotor]

Yea a practice tree !!! LOL full size..with foot pedals...

 

[Falcon67]

She helped hang siding on Thanksgiving and I peeled potatoes. We managed to beat the change in the weather due in Friday and eat like kings too. We hung 64 linear feet of siding and fed the family all in one day. We're a great team, could not do a lot of this alone.

I did get the man door hung Sunday but not fully nailed in. I have to engineer something for the dead bolt because the way the door is mounted in the frame, it leaves the dead bolt strike hole about 1/2 out from the 2x4 framing for the door. I'll pick up some more odds and ends today and maybe get the big door hung. Last two days have been cold with a 15~25 MPH north wind and today - working of course - is the nicest day of the week. I bought exterior paint for the siding and trim and ordered the epoxy for the floor. I was hoping to hit the lower walls with paint but the next 7 days looks like **** weather - cold and rain on the weekend. I'll be using a Kelly-Moore premix barn red for the exterior with an off white trim color from their "Jazz" pallet. The barn red is very close to our house brick color. We're thinking to do the gables with a horizontal trim board just below the flashing and the gable siding painted the trim color. I need something across the ends to give a level line to set the siding on. I also think it'll break up the big ends with the color change and something to mark the transition. Cutting holes for the soffit vents, gable siding, paint, trim boards and exterior lighting is all that's left on the outside punch list. Everything that's up has been caulked already too.

>Yea a practice tree !!! LOL full size..with foot pedals...
We're both racers - that would end up in the living room next to the TV.

 

[Motown 454]

Nice progress, it looks great.

 

[1Garageman]

I love watching and learning the construction of a nice building, Great job Falcon!

 

[blatterjr]

Great build...

 

[buzz4041]

Just read the entire thread and you have done a great job Chris. Couple of questions for you if you don't mind sharing. Any idea the manhours you have put in till where you are now. Curious about your material cost up to now also including concrete. I am looking at a new addition next year and I have a 2 month vacation lined up before I head back overseas to next assignment. Thanks in advance.

 

[Falcon67]

I'm not tracking man hours - too many priority/family/weather/I wanna do sumpin' else interrupts. Example - bitty trim work on Sunday and setting the man door took about 4 hours - 30 minutes with the man door, the rest screwing with trying to cut odd angles in HardiTrim and not have it bust all to hell. Store on Monday for some trim but no time for install. Tuesday no work - grandkids, other obligations. Today I have to get the big door up and finish nail+outside trim the man door because the weather will turn nasty on Thursday evening and last through the weekend. Building should be water tight at that time. Bought paint - looks like that'll sit until at least next week because of rain and cold temps.

Figuring a good 10 hour work day - The framing took about five, joists one (two people), rafters two, decking one (two people), paper half, shingles about three, windows half because I had to cut out and drop all the sills one inch for clearance, siding two (two people). Most of that comes in spurts. Lots of time spent "um, before you do that what about..."

What is a big help is that I have a 2"-3/12" framing nailer, 15 gauge trim nailer, brad nailer, coil roofing nailer and a good 1 1/2HP 25 gallon belt drive air compressor. That helps because there is easy over 7000 fasteners in the building so far. Not counting 3" decking screws used in the odd place - about 10 lbs of those so far.

On budget - I have most of the receipts in the spreadsheet and we're right at $10,266. "Budget" finished target is $13,400 / $13.88 sq/ft. We don't have actually have that much $ in the kitty, so interior finish work may take some time. Drive now is to finish the exterior with paint and trim, then do interior work as money allows. Have to rough in the electric next to get the final inspection. Already have the wire, so maybe $100 in fittings and such will check that off the list.

 

[buzz4041]

Chris thanks for the reply. That will work nicely so as to give me a general idea.

 

[Falcon67]

I managed to get the big door stood up last night, even with a 15 mph south wind. It's just a big steel tapestry, held up with screws and some bracing. Clopay riveted the track brackets to the tracks, which I thought was handy. Not. I went to set the tracks and the brackets are set such that the door would be held 1/4~3/8" proud of the trim/door stops. A'ts'a no good, so I'll pick up some 1/4 carriage bolts and drill out the rivets so I can adjust the door.

Rain test and cold coming tomorrow per the weather girls. Once it's set right I'll go get some weather seals. Looks like I've about got all the big holes plugged up, finally!

 

[Falcon67]

Cold front is here. Got out my fancy propane space heating system.

I was a bit amazed - it was 45F outside with a stiff north wind. After about an hour inside, it was 68F. That's in a building with concrete walls, five 10" vent holes in the roof, no ceiling and zero insulation. The duals put out about 24K BTU or so.

Got the side tracks up on the big door and started hanging the horizontal track. I'll go get some door weather seal today because the final adjustment is going to leave the door a little off the stops. Barney called from Kelly-Moore - the epoxy floor paint is here.

 

[onething]

You should patent that design. Portable heating and cooling.

 

[Vernmotor]

Cold front !! LOL thats funny

 

[Falcon67]

Cold front !! LOL thats funny

Well - cold to us! I know, 38F, big woo.

 

[Falcon67]

So, I got your cold front now buddy. 68F Saturday and this morning WT hey?

I'll never get this thing painted. Got to trim the tree back a little I think.

I got the big door tracks up and the door operational Saturday afternoon. After being lazy Sunday built a rack to get the lumber up off the floor so I could start cleaning. It never got above 45F all day and the heater managed to keep the place around 63. Got the lumber put up and most of the scraps sorted or trashed. Finished nailing in the man door and foamed the gap, so it should be water tight. Momma made a big pot of chili for Sunday dinner and nothing but feeding the fire place and watching Holmes Inspection got done after that. It was 30 this AM and the shop was 43. We'll see how the bare shop temp holds up because night temps are to be in the mid 20s most of the week. I think it's holding heat a little because I haven't cut in the soffit vents yet. I'll save that until after I get a ceiling. See - procrastination does pay off sometimes.

 

[Vernmotor]

wow snows in TX but not here in ohio..

 

[Falcon67]

Also got an electrical plan done. Maybe this is the final solution - such as final goes LOL.

 

[onewaydave]

Just in the nick of time, closing all the big holes.

See - procrastination does pay off sometimes.

Procrastination is a strategic weapon!

Good build.

Dave.

 

[fergus]

Awesome progress Chris! You've pretty much convinced me that I can build my next shop whenver (if ever) that ever happens.

 

[Falcon67]

Always enjoy your posts. When does the Dayton G73 heater go in?
Doug

BrrrRRR - NOW!

I'm going to end up getting electrical final and painting the floor before the outside gets paint thanks to the weather. At least it's dry inside!

 

[Vernmotor]

Same heater I have

 

[onething]

BrrrRRR - NOW!

Good call. It is cold in the metromess. It has to be colder out there where there are no wind breaks.

 

[Nighttrain]

Wow I did not know you got that much snow up there. It was down to 28* here the other night. That is just not right for Texas. Well its warmed up today so I think we are safe. Glad to see you all closed in.

 

[Falcon67]

Anybody notice that the day I bought paint was the exact time the weather went to hell in Texas? Mid 60s next week - but rain. It was 48 out there this evening. I got the propane tank filled so between the two heaters I should be able to warm it up some.