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Apart from that really vast looking space I like your Carraro tractor, we‘ve been about to get one a decade ago or so but decided against it. Would have been handy a million times. Im really interested what went wrong with your one, I guess it hs something in common with being italien?
 
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Apart from that really vast looking space I like your Carraro tractor, we‘ve been about to get one a decade ago or so but decided against it. Would have been handy a million times. Im really interested what went wrong with your one, I guess it hs something in common with being italien?
Keeping it brief, the input shaft from engine to gearbox has one shaft inside another. Theres a needle roller between them. That failed. Major nightmare. A common failing it seems,
 

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5 acres? You're laughing now I'd say. Get the greenhouses in and start growing some food.? Pond with island...that's unusual, not the former site of a moated house is it? But I suppose if it was that would be known and recorded already - or would it?

As for those _______ geese, a .22 with a suppressor would take care of them, although goose eggs are said to be pretty good eating if you can get them away from the geese. Sorry, we don't love our geese here; they are not migratory enough. :LOL:

Still weasels and stoats can cross bridges so there's reason to hope the problem may solve itself!

Some pallet racking along the walls, a small fork lift and you can start collecting anything! :giggle:
 
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5 acres? You're laughing now I'd say. Get the greenhouses in and start growing some food.? Pond with island...that's unusual, not the former site of a moated house is it? But I suppose if it was that would be known and recorded already - or would it?

As for those _______ geese, a .22 with a suppressor would take care of them, although goose eggs are said to be pretty good eating if you can get them away from the geese. Sorry, we don't love our geese here; they are not migratory enough. :LOL:

Still weasels and stoats can cross bridges so there's reason to hope the problem may solve itself!

Some pallet racking along the walls, a small fork lift and you can start collecting anything! :giggle:

Poly tunnel is under construction :)

The pond was entirely man made by the previous owner, but that was over 20 years ago. Nothing but a field there before.

I think id be shot if i shot the geese. They have been coming for years apparantly, so it must be a resonable spot for them.

Yes, got the pallet racking. Sadly the forkloift is currently dead. No one can or will fix it. So there it sits :(
 
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Anyway, back to something resembling the timeline..................

Having obtained the keys, we took a week off week so had nine days here, so we could assess exactly what we had done, and let ourselves in for.

The back story to the previous owner, now deceased, was that after building the barn, and at some point which is not clear but at least 10 years ago, he decided to move into the accomadation in the barn, with the house being, effectively abandoned.

A period of ill health saw him in hospital, and his daughter decided that on his return that the house should be made habitable.

A good chunk of money was spent, primarily on new electrics, new oil fired heating system, disabled ramp access, wet room, bedroom downstairs etc.

Its fair to say, a lot of the more cosmetic work was woeful, and a fair bit of the work never completed, as he never returned.

And so it stayed that way until we bought it.

We still had our old house, so the plan, loosely was to tidy things up as best possible, finish the unfinished jobs and get it to a state we could move in. As we both work full time, this was to be done at weekends, "camping" in the barn. Its 4 hours each way from our old place, so that doesnt really leave a lot of time, even travelling down friday night, and back sunday afternoon.

Still, there were no other options, so it had to be that way.

Given this is garage jounal, is anyone interested in in mini house refurb? Or should i just get straight back to garage related stuff?

Shot of the back of the house as it was on day one,

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Anyway, back to something resembling the timeline..................

Having obtained the keys, we took a week off week so had nine days here, so we could assess exactly what we had done, and let ourselves in for.




Given this is garage jounal, is anyone interested in in mini house refurb? Or should i just get straight back to garage related stuff?
Yes!
More please . . .
 
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Ok, a small diversion in to the house.

Before we would move in, there was some work required. Although there are longer term plans, the work we wanted to do was to be enough to make it comfortable to live in for 3-4 years, until a more extensive refurb could take place.

The house itself, as can be seen has been extended at the rear. The front part, dates from circa 1850, we think, though there is no actual evidence available. This is solid stone wall construction as is traditional here. Circa 18 inches to 2 ft thick. The extension on the back was late 70's early eighties and conventional cavity wall construction.

The inside of most of it has been lined with plasterboard attached to timber stud work. A **** idea, especially in the old part, but we decided this would stay for now. There were a lot of damp patches on the east gable end. Turns out, that whilst unoccupied, a pipe bust in the loft and cascaded water down for who knows how long. This went behind the plasterboard.

Although it had been painted over, it was pretty obvious.

Also in the main room downstairs, the room had been divided up with a stad wall and a sliding door. This created a useless space, so we wanted to remove that.

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So this room, which was to be our living room, was the first part of our work.

It quickly became obvious that the plasterboard was stil damp on the gable end. It was also clear that there had been a fire place here. And there was a vent at floor level.

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So we removed a section to take peek. What we found was the original fireplace. Not in bad shape either. So, despite being on a tight timeline, we removed the plaster board to reveal the fireplace.

However, damp doesnt really cover it !!

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Also, the chimney had been lined with a lightweight concrete, but the more observant of you will see no external chimney. Although it had been removed externally, it terminated in the attic, still open.

However, it was blocked off. I removed the wood, and all sorts of **** fell down. That was wet too. Borrowed a sweep brush and cleared it all out. There was a resonable updraught so we left it open for now to dry out.

One of the issues with these old stone houses was that they were built with lime mortar, with no damp proof course. Water would wick up from the ground, then evaprate both inside and out. Sadly, then cement arrived on the scene. Just like many others, this has been re-pointed in cement. (which we knew prior to purchase) . The problem is, it traps the moisture within the wall, leaving it saturated. The solution is to remove the cement, allow to dry, and repoint in lime.

Whilst we know this will be necessary, i thought id use the now exposed fireplace as a test to see just what we were dealing with. So out came the chisels, and needle gun to remove the cement pointing. It was tough, and pretty deep. And it took a very long time! Not quite the quick tidy up we had planned.

The lime mortar behind, especially low down was in places so wet you could push your finger into it. The stones at the bottom, depending on stone type so cold due to being damp, that moisture would condense on them.

We set up a dehumidifier there and let it start. In the end, it fully dried out, the mortar went hard and all is well. I have yet to repoint it however.

And a pic as it was after id put in hearth, and we got carpet.

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More to follow.....
 
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If only. Sadly i had to do the actual work

Back to the living room. Ill keeo this short.

The wall dividing the living room into two was just timber stud work, plasterboard and finshed off with a sliding door. To slow me down there were some electrics in the wall too.

So we demolished it. Carefully.

If you look closely, you can see the original stonework behind the plasterboard. It would appear, unlike upstairs, that at no point has this room ever been anything other than bare stone. Given that the stone is a very dark grey, it must have been pretty depressing.

You will also see the exposed steel beam running directly above where the wall was.

During the early years of the previous owner occupation, it seems that, fireplace excepted, that all traces of original features were removed from the house, sadly. Im fairly certain that even the brick arch above the fireplace is a later addition. It would almost certainly have originally been a timber lintel there.

On the upside, all the timber in the house is from that era, including the entire roof. Amd its all in pretty good order. Usually these old welsh cottages have had minimal expenditure over the decades, and so repair work can get extensive.

The staircase arrangement is not ideal, and im not sure theres really any other options, but its a quality piece of joinery, albeit, in a 70's style!

The front door is a thermal disaster area. We didnt touch this as this wil be replaced, hopefully later this year.

Heres a few pics of the in progress situation

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Very interesting. Keep 'em coming. Those stairs do look well made but a bit hazardous at present.
Hazardous, yes.

Post the pictures, we have now fitted a handrail to the wall side, so all is well.

Mind you, same issue exsists in the barn with the stairs. No handrails. Though solid wall each side.
 
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Those are not the stairs I expected in that house!
Like everything else, the originals are long gone.

All part of the 70's update it had.

Not really sure where they would have been, bearin in mind that the living room was, originally the entire ground floor area.
 
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Like everything else, the originals are long gone.

All part of the 70's update it had.

Not really sure where they would have been, bearin in mind that the living room was, originally the entire ground floor area.
Probably a near vertical flight tucked in a corner, or a really tight winder somewhere.

In Monmouthshire it was common to have stone stairs against the fireplace, don’t know if it made it further west.
 
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Probably a near vertical flight tucked in a corner, or a really tight winder somewhere.

In Monmouthshire it was common to have stone stairs against the fireplace, don’t know if it made it further west.

When the proper refurb happens, and we strip all the plaster board out, we might find some clues. Going to have to wait for that though. Got a barn to finish! Priorities and all that :)
 

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When the proper refurb happens, and we strip all the plaster board out, we might find some clues. Going to have to wait for that though. Got a barn to finish! Priorities and all that :)

You’ve clearly got your priorities right!
 

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Good luck with the house renovation and barn to workshop development. What you have done already looks really smart! That amount of land will keep you busy during the growing season even with the Alpine tractor to lighten the load. Do you have any woodland on the property?

What are the immediate and long-term plans for the workshop space?
 
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Good luck with the house renovation and barn to workshop development. What you have done already looks really smart! That amount of land will keep you busy during the growing season even with the Alpine tractor to lighten the load. Do you have any woodland on the property?

What are the immediate and long-term plans for the workshop space?
No woodland sadly. the woods to 2 of the 3 boundaries are not mine, they belong to the government! Technically commercial forest, so run the risk of being felled, in particular the strip up behind the barn. That side also is where the prevailing wind comes from.

So im planning on planting trees on my side on both those boundaries to create a border, shelter belt, call it what you will. Hopefully they will get established before anyone cuts down the stuff the other side.

So yes, lots to do, and to make life a bit more difficult, its been wet, as im sure it has been where you are, plus being 900ft up, spring is 3-4 weeks later here so a shorter season. Grounds still to soft to take a tractor out there :(

As far as the barn goes, we are a bit further ahead than this thread, but it will soon catch up. Primarily its for cars. I do all my own work, and have a number of projects stacked up ready!

Will, hopefully be doing some woodwork longer term too. Biggest issue is theres only one entrance door and its on the end, which makes coming up with a space effective plan is really hard as you end up with a massive amount of wasted space.

If i was starting from scratch, id have a row of doors down the side. But im not, and i cant, have limited budget, so will work with what i have. Currently i cant get everything in!! First world problems and all that.

Stay tuned :)
 

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Pretty dumb of the P.O. to close off the fireplace as those provided continuous ventilation in the old days, unless there was a damper that could be closed. Air would of course be drawn into the house by the updraft, keeping the dampness under control to some extent. Not to mention the drying effect of a wood or coal fire. If I were you I'd get a nice wood stove or insert in there with a stainless flue liner and stainless exterior chimney to make up for the missing chimney above the roof line.

Pity about the removed features, but I guess you could add whatever you wanted in the way of "period" features and fittings?

What about some perimeter drains to to keep moisture from seeping into the walls or the ground under the floors? Or a french drain across any gradient which would direct moisture towards the house would be the minimal option perhaps?

Not sure what happens to old lime mortar when its dried out after being damp for decades; might be a question for an expert at the National Trust?
 
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Pretty dumb of the P.O. to close off the fireplace as those provided continuous ventilation in the old days, unless there was a damper that could be closed. Air would of course be drawn into the house by the updraft, keeping the dampness under control to some extent. Not to mention the drying effect of a wood or coal fire. If I were you I'd get a nice wood stove or insert in there with a stainless flue liner and stainless exterior chimney to make up for the missing chimney about the roof line.

Pity about the removed features, but I guess you could add whatever you wanted in the way of "period" features and fittings?

What about some perimeter drains to to keep moisture from seeping into the walls or the ground under the floors? Or a french drain across any gradient which would direct moisture towards the house would be the minimal option perhaps?

Not sure what happens to old lime mortar when its dried out after being damp for decades; might be a question for an expert at the National Trust?

I dont know for sure, but i reckon it was covered up when they did the work for him to move back in. So only very recently.

Yes, a wood stove would certainly keep the damp at bay, but, im not really a fan, and i certainly cant be bothered with the effort involved. Its all completely dry now. en through a whole winter, in fact, the wettest winter in living memory. We also put one of those sheeps wool plugs in the flue. So it allows some air flow, but not a gaping hole as it was.

When we eventually get round to doing the inside again, we will probably put up some fake beams, sort out the stairs. Going to replace the windows too, so will get something more traditional looking. On the updide, they are substantially bigger than the would have been when built, so let in a lot more light. Some of these old cottages can be pretty dark inside.

Previous owner covered the drainage side of things. Theres land drains all over the place. All round the house is stone, dont know how deep, as every time ive dug a hole, i just find more stone! Its one thing i certainly dont need to worry about. Serious money was spent.

Based on my experiment in the chimney, and previous experience, it just dries out and sets again.
 

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Get those trees planted as a priority, they’ll be growing whilst you’re working on other things, depending on what species you go for, you could see growth of up to 50cm a year. In my experience, whilst you can do it yourself, you’ll not match the speed and efficiency of a local with all the gear and know-how.

I have done it both ways in the past, but if you organise the tree saplings (easier at certain time of the year in my experience of nurseries than others) then getting them planted for you is a massive time saver. My mother’s place is at 850ft up in Denbighshire and those mountain winds can be fierce, so definitely worth getting a wind break planted should the forest get felled for timber.

Looking forwards to seeing your progress as time permits!

The highest mountain in Wales is 3,560ft
 
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Get those trees planted as a priority, they’ll be growing whilst you’re working on other things, depending on what species you go for, you could see growth of up to 50cm a year. In my experience, whilst you can do it yourself, you’ll not match the speed and efficiency of a local with all the gear and know-how.

I have done it both ways in the past, but if you organise the tree saplings (easier at certain time of the year in my experience of nurseries than others) then getting them planted for you is a massive time saver. My mother’s place is at 850ft up in Denbighshire and those mountain winds can be fierce, so definitely worth getting a wind break planted should the forest get felled for timber.

Looking forwards to seeing your progress as time permits!

The highest mountain in Wales is 3,560ft

You make a good point. I will have a look into getting it done.
 

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Looks like a great spot with lots of potential, following along if you don’t mind.
As for the geese get a dog or two, problem solved, no love for those dirty birds.
 
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On with the house.

Main bedroom upstairs, fortunately didnt need much apart from a good clean and painting. The 70's patio door out onto the flat roof, or in estate agent speak, "sun terrace" are, well, not good. A thermal disaster zone and need replacing. No time for that though.

So, some adjustments, and sealing shut one leaf managed to at least stop the draughts. However, they are still made of aluminium! Condensation here we come.

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The 2 front bedrooms were somewhat worse, though i have no photos after the work. The main issue was both dormers were leaking. This is due to incorrect lead being used, which has eroded away. No time for proper roof repairs, so these have been bodged for now. CT1 sealant to the rescue. It did mean though, i needed to buy a proper scaffold tower.

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Its clear i need to strip the dormers at some point and rectify properly.

With spring (2023) beckoning, it was time to go outside and sort out the handrails.

What handrails you say? These ones.

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I hate them. They make it look like the entrace to a doctors surgery. Horrble things, if rather useful when you are in a wheelchair. But niether of us are, so out came the 9 inch grinder and we zipped them down.

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After that, we got some granite chipping of one of the piles in the yard and tidied up around the back of the house.

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And for those more observant, yes, the render has squggles in it. Looks like the base coat was applied, but never the final coat on the gable end. And subsequently painted over prior to sale. Another future job.

The kitchen, required little, so we were nearly good to move in. There were multiple small jobs, most of which ive forgotton that just munched up time.

Heres another moody shot across the lake

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The next installement should see us moved in, and some progress on the barn, but progress was slow, as we were now having to go back to our old house to prepare that for sale! Every weekend.
 

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With the house more or less habitable, we decided it was now time to move in.

Given the amount of stuff we have, coming from a large 4 bed to a small 3, (but really 2) bed house, meant a fair bit had to go into the barn. No pics, but we paid to have everything moved for us. Having used the company before it all went pretty smoothly.

As it was now spring time, some attention needed to be paid to outside. The field, was completely overgrown having not been attended too for some years, with brambles and rushes being much in evidence.

Time for a new toy. I bought a flail. A 2 meter one. Which, with hindsight was probably a little on the large side. The tractor has the power to drive it, but its heavy, and the tractor is pretty compact.

Anyway, we got stuck in.

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After a lot of buggering around with attachements, top links and all that other stuff, we got cutting
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Surprisingly effective. Not done this before. Bit to hard and aggressive here

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With the many trips back and forth we started bringing some stuff back to the workshop.

Stepping back a bit in time, here was the barn when we first arrived

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And with a few bits moved in. Still looks like plenty of room at this stage!

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The major hinderance at this time was a lack of lighting. The lighting had been removed and the cabling dropped into the wall cavity. It was to be some months before this got sorted out.

With the house move out of the way, industrial gardening underway, and most of the cars shifted, it was time to start moving the workshop.

To make this possible, it was going to be necessary to take everything off the racking at the old workshop and palletise, then move the racking, and subsequently all the pallets.

Here the pallet racking going up.
 
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The observant amongst you might have noticed that the open eaves have now been sealed up with a foam filler strip. During the winter, with regular 90% plus humidity, things were much the same inside. The difference was very noticable. Yes, i still need to insulate the roof, but thats for another day.

The sheer scale of the roof meant this took a very long time to complete, all done from the scaffold or man basket on the forklift.
 

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With the house more or less habitable, we decided it was now time to move in.

Given the amount of stuff we have, coming from a large 4 bed to a small 3, (but really 2) bed house, meant a fair bit had to go into the barn. No pics, but we paid to have everything moved for us. Having used the company before it all went pretty smoothly.

As it was now spring time, some attention needed to be paid to outside. The field, was completely overgrown having not been attended too for some years, with brambles and rushes being much in evidence.

Time for a new toy. I bought a flail. A 2 meter one. Which, with hindsight was probably a little on the large side. The tractor has the power to drive it, but its heavy, and the tractor is pretty compact.

Anyway, we got stuck in.

Freshly delivered flail IMG_20230502_151026.jpg

After a lot of buggering around with attachements, top links and all that other stuff, we got cutting
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Surprisingly effective. Not done this before. Bit to hard and aggressive here

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With the many trips back and forth we started bringing some stuff back to the workshop.

Stepping back a bit in time, here was the barn when we first arrived

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And with a few bits moved in. Still looks like plenty of room at this stage!

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The major hinderance at this time was a lack of lighting. The lighting had been removed and the cabling dropped into the wall cavity. It was to be some months before this got sorted out.

With the house move out of the way, industrial gardening underway, and most of the cars shifted, it was time to start moving the workshop.

To make this possible, it was going to be necessary to take everything off the racking at the old workshop and palletise, then move the racking, and subsequently all the pallets.

Here the pallet racking going up.
This reads almost word for word like where we are right now! Flails, grass cutting, house condensing, movers, racking and workshop moving! You even have a static caravan on site! :D

I am still in the process of emptying the old racking and moving stuff over from the old workshop, and likely be doing so for a few months yet!
 
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This reads almost word for word like where we are right now! Flails, grass cutting, house condensing, movers, racking and workshop moving! You even have a static caravan on site! :D

I am still in the process of emptying the old racking and moving stuff over from the old workshop, and likely be doing so for a few months yet!

Moving the workshop wasnt quick!

And was 7 x 7.5 ton lorry loads in the end.

Static isnt mine. Thats the garden of the chapel next door. The good news is, its not there anymore.
 

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Great read so far - excited to see what you've done / are doing with the GAB v2! It's been quiet for a little bit, hopefully the geese didn't get you... :lol:
 
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Been a while so here i am. As well as work, being dry(er) outside means using every opportunity to get stuff outside done.

Being as it looks like summer is virually over, and its raining, time for an update.

Further up, there were some pics of the tractor flailing the field. All was well for a while. Then one day, i couldnt change gear. Felt like cluch not disngaging.

Rather inconvinent to say the least.

Nothing for it but to fix it. With half my stuff packed away or in the wrong location, it was a bit of a struggle.

So i split the engine away from the front axle. Sadly, the result was very much a case of nothing to see here. So i decided to lift the lid of the main gearbox. Which was no easy task with everything rusted solid after 10 years outside. Eventually got that done. Still nothing to see. So then i split the front axle away from the gearbox.

At last. As you can see from the pics, the input shaft has another shaft inside it for the PTO. Seperating the two at the output end is a needle roller bearing. This lives outside either the axkle or gearbox and is thus not lubricated by oil. Relying solely on the grease installed at time of assembly.

Clearly, during its period of inactivity, this has corroded. Subsequently pressing it in to use has caused the bearing to fail. I might have got away with cleaning the shaft, but given the work required to get to this stage, i decided a new shaft was in order.

Not cheap at £600, but, in fairness, during the work on this, its become clear that virtually everything is available despite its age. Thats a level of manufacturer support thats rare these days. Big thanks to Kirkland tractors for their help here.

And so the re-assembly commences along with a few minor repairs along the way.

The down side was it was out of action for a couple of months, giving the weeds etc time to re-establish. And in July, the rains came, and never really went away again, putting paid to getting out on the field again.

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