Hein Werner OS
- Thread starter Elroy
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Steve, Rest assured Elroy fully appreciates you procuring the kit on his behalf.
THANKS
Steve, Rest assured Elroy fully appreciates you procuring the kit on his behalf.
THANKS
No, thank you elroy. I have over 20 years in the hydraulic jack repair business and have always prided myself in providing a quality service at a affordable price and always willing to help a fellow garage junkie with free hydraulic jack knowledge and discounted rebuild kits whenever possible. Seeing you transform this jack from a quality tired tool to something that anyone would be proud to have sitting in there garage has got me feeling a bit anxious to start a full restoration of Older Snap on jack i have sitting in the corner of my shop. I am away from home currently working but fellow garage junkies Prepare to for a Full Resto thread within the week to start. I have some general questions that maybe some Snap on guys could help me with and After i start my thread i will be looking for some answers. 1) Correct Snap on Red paint color? I will document my teardown and rebuild similar to Elroys and Hopefully will inspire some of you to also rebuild.. Restore instead of Taking the easy route of Buying New. Congrats again Elroy it as been very enjoyable.
Steven
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Uncle Buck
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Elroy, as usual, you have outdone yourself! Great thread, and a job very well done. Thank you for taking the time it takes to document your rebuild and share it with everyone here.
Bolster
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I thoroughly enjoyed my vicarious view of this rebuild. Learned a few things along the way. Thank you for the education, Professor Elroy. 
billymade
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Hey, seein' you jack next to this newly restored one; makes me want to see you repaint your handle.... everything else on your jack looks perfect! Did you repaint the handle on your jack; when you went through it? That handle looks out of place now! 
Hey, seein' you jack next to this newly restored one; makes me want to see you repaint your handle.... everything else on your jack looks perfect! Did you repaint the handle on your jack; when you went through it? That handle looks out of place now!
Bill, at some point in time Elroy may go back and paint the "WS" handle. I left it alone so I could see just what kind of condition it was in after 30 years of service. It also documents the correct shade on the original paint.
Both of these jacks were painted with #1620 Chevrolet Orange engine enamel from a "rattle can". This paint sets up hard and it was generally a good color match for the factory HW paint.
For now, Elroy is going to leave the old handle as is. Everything on that OS jack was beat so it needed paint. As a matter of fact it needed EVERYTHING
bgott
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Well, I kind of wish you hadn't of done it. I was at an estate sale a couple of weeks ago and I ran into a dead WS for $25. It was in decent physical shape, it was just stuck all the way up and wouldn't come down. I thought I had dodged a bullet, I have been watching your thread and getting the urge to find one. Being the cheap ******* that I am, I passed and figured I was safe. A couple of weeks later they had a sale to get rid of the stuff inside the house and I went back. They were still trying to get rid of stuff inside the garage and that damm jack was still there. Different guy this time, $10 and it followed me home. I also bought a powered hacksaw for $30, they didn't even know what it was. I sold the saw for $40 on the way home so the jack was free. Now I have to get off my dead azz and clean up some bench space and pull the pump out of this thing. Being that I have gotten to enjoy soaking in my lethargy, I'm blaming you!
Actually, what'll be a PITA is fixing my camera or buying a new one 'cause I guess I'll have to at least post a picture of the jack.
Actually, what'll be a PITA is fixing my camera or buying a new one 'cause I guess I'll have to at least post a picture of the jack.billymade
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Hiball, just as a comparison; what would a typical rebuild of a jack of this type cost, if you ran it through your shop? I'm assuming you repair the major problems (rebuild cylinder, r/r any mechanical parts etc.) and "spray bomb" or maybe not even repaint the repaired jack.... how long does it take you, cost of labour and then parts? Just curios... I'm sure shops repair this type of older jacks all the time; especially the really large ones that can lift semi's etc; because, they can be repaired and are expensive enough to purchase, they are worth repairing!
I was also wondering how much these jacks would have cost originally; converting them into todays prices?
I was also wondering how much these jacks would have cost originally; converting them into todays prices?
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Every jack that comes into my shop has the unit completely torn down, Not the frame and every bolt as in Elroys restoration. Then the Valve seats are inspected along with Ram and pump condition, If everything passes i then install a complete Soft kit which includes everything to bring the jack back up to a working state. I dont charge a per hour rate, it normally is a set price that over the years i feel is both fair for both me and the customer. This price includes Inspection, Pressure cleaning, Installation of the New kit, Any minor Adjustments that need to be made on the wheels (loose, Missing roller bearings etc), Pressure testing and a Quick Rattle can paint job that looks pristine from accross the room and of course my personal 1 year Warranty for general use only. Which means basically if you try and lift 4+ tons with a 1 and a half ton jack and i discover the ram cup is destroyed we will have a little talk. Ive seen numerous fly by night jack rebuilders frequent my area and they only give a 90 day warranty. A monkey could stop a jack from leaking for 90 days with mininum use and i have kept my regulars and good name by standing behind my work for a year which is normally what you get on a new jack. My price for rebuilding a o-boy/os series runs $125 dollars and from start to finish with no hiccups i could have it completed in little over a hour. Some people might find that Extremely High but my price includes use of my specialty tools, organized work area, Any damage i might cause while teardown/installing the kit etc. Stuff happens!!! I really dont know what that jack cost new but i can gurantee that is was in the upper price bracket in its prime. Those big 10 or 20 ton floor jacks are extremely expensive $2500 bucks new for a quality one, Depending on model i get anywhere from $350 to $475 for my services so i would say it is well worth it to have it rebuilt.
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tcheat
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I have one of the Hiball rebuilt jacks and can attest to the quality of his work. He's a good guy, too.
Elroy spoke with "Jimmy" last night and informed him that his jack was functionally complete. Elroy made arrangements to deliver it this afternoon.
Was surprised to discover that Jim's mother was going to be in attendance as she wanted to see it.
Jan couldn't believe it was the same jack. You see that Hein-Werner OS belonged to her father. Discovered that Jan is a 1940 model, and that her father and Uncle opened their used car lot in Harrodsburg, Kentucky in the late 30's, just before she was born. She vividly remembered her father taking her and her older sister for "rides" on that jack when she was 8 or 9 years old.
Discussions by family members came to the conclusion that Hein-Werner was probably purchased no later than 1948.
Yep 61 years old !
That might just explain the excessive wheel wear and the funky "round plug" in the plunger bore.
1948 and it still worked. 100% fresh in 2009.
Jimmy was pleased and Elroy was paid:
Elroy made exactly 100% return on $200 of parts.
Jimmy: Enjoy buddy.
Was surprised to discover that Jim's mother was going to be in attendance as she wanted to see it.
Jan couldn't believe it was the same jack. You see that Hein-Werner OS belonged to her father. Discovered that Jan is a 1940 model, and that her father and Uncle opened their used car lot in Harrodsburg, Kentucky in the late 30's, just before she was born. She vividly remembered her father taking her and her older sister for "rides" on that jack when she was 8 or 9 years old.
Discussions by family members came to the conclusion that Hein-Werner was probably purchased no later than 1948.
Yep 61 years old !
That might just explain the excessive wheel wear and the funky "round plug" in the plunger bore.
1948 and it still worked. 100% fresh in 2009.
Jimmy was pleased and Elroy was paid:
Elroy made exactly 100% return on $200 of parts.
Jimmy: Enjoy buddy.
If you found the rebuild of this 1-1/4 ton Hein-Werner model OS floor jack of interest.
Please note that additional information on a 1-1/2 ton Model WS Hein Werner floor jack can be found here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18055
This was a nice shot of the OS and can't resist posting it again:
Please note that additional information on a 1-1/2 ton Model WS Hein Werner floor jack can be found here:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18055
This was a nice shot of the OS and can't resist posting it again:
jhn9840
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The restoration threads that are popping up on this board are really great.
Thank you Elroy for your time in documenting your work for all of us to see. Look forward to seeing Hiballs work in the future.
jhn9840
John
Thank you Elroy for your time in documenting your work for all of us to see. Look forward to seeing Hiballs work in the future.
jhn9840
John
billymade
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The background of this jack, the history, the fact that it is a "member of the family" and that grandma can remember riding it around the shop with her dad; makes the completed project, that much sweeter! Good job Elroy; I know I have really enjoyed seeing you take this jack from junk to jewel!
torqueman2002
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Here's a copy of the HW OS-O_BOY parts list/ exploded view.
This is a very timely thread, I have a 30+ year old O'Boy ready for a rebuild.
Thanks for the great write up.
PS - I tried to post a zip file of the HW OS-O_Boy parts sheet I have, but the 151k size is too big.
Let me know if there's another way to put it on the site for all to access, or I can send it to anyone who wants to send me their eMail.
Mike
This is a very timely thread, I have a 30+ year old O'Boy ready for a rebuild.
Thanks for the great write up.
PS - I tried to post a zip file of the HW OS-O_Boy parts sheet I have, but the 151k size is too big.
Let me know if there's another way to put it on the site for all to access, or I can send it to anyone who wants to send me their eMail.
Mike
arkangel06
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Awesome rebuild Elroy!
Mike, Would your O'Boy happen to have the aluminum ID tag still riveted to the main lifting arm casting where you can still see the "art work" on the HW O'Boy logo. If so, would you kindly post a few pictures of the tag.
As you can see, This one is useless for duplicating the tag;
Yep there is a tag on the main lift arm but after all these years it doesn't say much.
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AntsGarage
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Here is a quick picture of my OS and the tag. Sorry that the pictures are fuzzy; my camera is on loan to a friend so I used my cell phone camera. I can take and send a clearer picture to you next week if needed.
I have enjoyed both this and the WS thread...Thanks for providing all the detail on your rebuilds. While I am inspired to restore my OS, I think I will inquire with Hiball about hiring his services to rebuild the pump, using his experience, skill, specialized tools, repair kit, etc.
By the way, my HW OS was passed to me from my grandpa who purchased it in 40's. He used this jack through the 50's in his repair shop. And then in his home garage up until just a few years ago when it begain leaking too much. This is another HW jack that has delivered 60 years of service.
I have enjoyed both this and the WS thread...Thanks for providing all the detail on your rebuilds. While I am inspired to restore my OS, I think I will inquire with Hiball about hiring his services to rebuild the pump, using his experience, skill, specialized tools, repair kit, etc.
By the way, my HW OS was passed to me from my grandpa who purchased it in 40's. He used this jack through the 50's in his repair shop. And then in his home garage up until just a few years ago when it begain leaking too much. This is another HW jack that has delivered 60 years of service.
Attachments
I responded to your pm and forwarded a copy of the pdf in the email.
Most humbly please. We need the art work to duplicate so the larger and less distorted the better.
YEP. These are good jacks and when Hiball gets done with it you'll be good to go for another round.
torqueman2002
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brockstar
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Fantastic job, Elroy!
Threads like this make GJ great and are very inspirational. The used HW market just went up a bit, methinks
Threads like this make GJ great and are very inspirational. The used HW market just went up a bit, methinks
torqueman2002
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While performing some additional research on these old Hein-Werner jacks, Elroy came across this 1956 repair manual that covers parts for all the major manufactures
http://www.archive.org/details/Hyraulic_Jack_Repair_Manual
Down load the PDF with text.
Hiball should get a kick out of this. Very valuable information for those interested in such things
http://www.archive.org/details/Hyraulic_Jack_Repair_Manual
Down load the PDF with text.
Hiball should get a kick out of this. Very valuable information for those interested in such things
Elroy, I could literally show you just about every tool in that catalog. Im about 95% sure the original owner of that catalog was from Texas and for the life of me i cant remember his name but he was in the hydraulic business for along time and him and my grandfather was chums. Did you see the crimping die diagram? Remember me explaining it to you? I will find his name out tomorrow but he was legendary in getting people started in the hydraulic repair business by supplying specialty tools that you had to have if you was gonna work on jacks in the 50's and 60's. Also my main supplier is the one who bought him out when he retired. Thanks for that info it was very interesting seeing the Tools on paper.
Aw come on. Elroy thought that was just a line of Bull you pulled out of thin air.
You're damn right I remember it. Thought you might get a kick out of that scan. There is some good information in there.
Aw come on. Elroy thought that was just a line of Bull you pulled out of thin air.
You're damn right I remember it. Thought you might get a kick out of that scan. There is some good information in there.
Im sure my grandfather has that master spanner with different die's but it never did work like it was suppost to. Lol so we designed our own and it has never failed nor is it patented so we will keep that on the down low, Sorry guys but it is my money maker.
Uncle Buck
Banned
As recent as 1995 the company that printed that manual was still in business and selling instructional materials and different stuff that was supposed to teach a guy how to do hydraulic repair. As I recall the company was based in New York, Albany I think. Anyway, I have no idea if they are still in business or not, I cannot seem to find them on the web anymore.
As recent as 1995 the company that printed that manual was still in business and selling instructional materials and different stuff that was supposed to teach a guy how to do hydraulic repair. As I recall the company was based in New York, Albany I think. Anyway, I have no idea if they are still in business or not, I cannot seem to find them on the web anymore.
Tim from Accord, Ny. He is not the original owner of that catalog, I doubt he was even born in 56, but he did know the guy i was referencing from texas and my main supplier. He used to run a shop but i think he has all but closed up. I tried to orders some stuff from him about 4 years ago and never received any confirmation and my card was never charged. Kept getting the run around that he was moving and misplacing orders.. blah blah. He did sell the yellow sticker that was on the catalog but it wasnt original.
Uncle Buck
Banned
That is it alright Hiball, I recall talking to him now that you mention the name. The whole deal struck me as a bit odd at the time, like the business kind of got dropped in his lap from his dad or something and he really knew very little about it. In fact, if I could find it, I still have a promo pouch he mailed me with prices and such in it.
I have his catalog still but its the biggest piece of ****, No prices till you get to the back page and every item till you get there is numbered with letters and numbers ie: kves1234 and so on. It used to give me a headache trying to figure out how much stuff costs.