Pliers; How Many Is Too Many?

[Outlawmws]

They just seem to be multi-plying...

Stop bagging the males with the females

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Stop bagging the males with the females

Snerk. This humorous reproductive analogy would actually fit, technically, if we were talking about a drawer overflowing with drain plug wrenches or socket drive tools!

 

[LesserSon]

OH! I didn't know you had a collection! I think I may have one of those here somewhere.

Thanks for sending me a fifth pair! Still no dupes. Alloy Artifacts had one pair shown on their Globemaster entry. I checked their guess of Footprint or Gordon as the Sheffield manufacturer, but none of what I’ve seen matches a grip pattern, nor, I think, the model numbers.

 

[d42jeep]

Found these Blue Point pliers at a sale yesterday. They will be added to my user box plier drawer.
-Don

 

[Mintgrun]

The tips of the jaws are interesting on those. I was wondering if someone had ground one down, but an image search showed another pair with one fatter shorter tip. I wonder what the offset tips are for.

 

[GaryM909]

The tips of the jaws are interesting on those. I was wondering if someone had ground one down, but an image search showed another pair with one fatter shorter tip. I wonder what the offset tips are for.

I have Craftsman pliers from Japan. Same type of jaws

 

[Jgaz]

One old pair of hose clamp pliers on the right that my dad had from the early 50’s.
He repaired and installed automatic washing machines.

The pliers on the left are used for coiling the wire ends of heater and A/C blend doors.

I made a ton of money with these.
Customer comes in with a broken cable. I would remove the broken wire cable, cut new wire to length, leave the plastic outer casing in place, slide a new wire down the casing, and wind a new coil on both ends.

 

[four.cycle]

Thanks for sending me a fifth pair! Still no dupes. Alloy Artifacts had one pair shown on their Globemaster entry. I checked their guess of Footprint or Gordon as the Sheffield manufacturer, but none of what I’ve seen matches a grip pattern, nor, I think, the model numbers.

I very seriously doubt those were made by Gordon or Footprint. We've emailed back and forth on this one.
Looks like there's only one decent photo of any Gordon pliers HERE, and they appear to have smooth handles (although they are a completely different type of pliers than any of your examples.)

We know Globemaster was outsourcing stuff from Britain, and Sheffield would have been the go-to place for an importer.
Are there no examples of a Globemaster-branded specimen having the same handle pattern (other than the pair on AA's site?)Or did I miss something?
The "Globemaster" on AA's page has nothing to do with "Worldwide Tools" out of Sheffield, England. The original "Globemaster" has been defunct for decades, so the name was up for grabs, I guess.

 

[MisterEd]

HAPEWE Pliers, West Germany

 

[genog]

I know that I have too many pliers...

Then I buy something like these Chain Pliers.
Then again.....I might be able to use them

 

[JMP]

Duckbills

 

[d42jeep]

I found these US made snap ring pliers yesterday at an estate sale. I can’t find any brand markings even after cleaning.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

I cleaned up these pliers I found on Saturday. No indication of manufacturer, just a part number, HR-1107. I imagine that someone will recognize the handle pattern.
-Don

 

[cody1325]

I found these US made snap ring pliers yesterday at an estate sale. I can’t find any brand markings even after cleaning.
-Don

I have a pair of Blue Points that are somewhat similar. The brand markings are on the grips, thus prone to wear off. Gramps didn't use them much, and they only come out when I need to disassemble a ratchet that uses snap rings--thus they look pretty much new. Not so much these days, given my main go-tos are old Proto pear-heaads or the various Facom derivatives (mainly, SK Tuff-1).

 

[oldpliers1]

Found these yesterday circa 1995

 

[Mintgrun]

I pulled these pliers out of a scrap metal bin the other day. The top pair have the classic CeeTee checker-dot grips and I was surprised to see an unfamiliar brand when I cleaned the heavy rust off. ROYAL VALUE E 26. That brand isn't even on @four.cycle 's list! It sounds like an 'overseas' name, but they're marked MADE IN USA on the other side. By Crescent, I assume.

The <DIAMOND> K 36 pliers cleaned up well. They looked rusty, but it rubbed off with LAVA soap and a toothbrush. The upper pair took a swim in the electrolysis bucket.

 

[Lesserstore]

I cleaned up these pliers I found on Saturday. No indication of manufacturer, just a part number, HR-1107. I imagine that someone will recognize the handle pattern.
-Don

The part number is Western Auto, and the handle pattern is Pendleton Tool with a date code forged into the handle as well.

 

[d42jeep]

Can you post another example of the handle pattern? I looked at a large selection of Pendleton pliers and couldn’t find a match. The part number does seem like it could be Western Auto though.
-Don

 

[four.cycle]

ROYAL VALUE E 26. That brand isn't even on @four.cycle 's list!

I can add it... no problem.
I'd guess private-label brand for somebody... the question is "who?"

Royal Value Hardware Stores - 1963 Popular Mechanics

 

[Lesserstore]

Can you post another example of the handle pattern? I looked at a large selection of Pendleton pliers and couldn’t find a match. The part number does seem like it could be Western Auto though.
-Don

Yeah, I looked at mine and they don't have those two outer chevrons. And the jaws look wider on yours as well.
I did find them in a Western Auto catalog, but the style doesn't match.

 

[d42jeep]

Yeah, that is pretty much the same thing I came up with.
I found a few pliers at today’s estate sale. My wite spotted the Ford marked pliers.

Here are some Vlchek vise grips.
Wards Master vise grips
Xcelite pliers with what looks like the Crescent handle pattern.
Small Diamond pliers.
-Don

 

[Eric Brown]

Patented by Francis Stallings, Effingham Illinois, #1498488 (June 17, 1924) it has three jaws that all open/close at the same time. My pictures show both sides, open and closed. The two sides seem identical, lowering cost to make. This one has no markings. Works smoothly.

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[Private Lugnutz]

Very cool, Eric! DATAMP page entry on that unit linked here...

US Patent: 1,498,488 - Pliers

US patent 1,498,488 Pliers was issued to Francis J. Stallings of Effingham, IL. It was granted on 06/17/1924. Improvement on Stallings' Dec. 18, 1917 Pat. (no. {1,250,690}). The three jaws converge as the pliers are closed; the focus of this patent is a redesi

www.datamp.org

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Patented by Francis Stallings, Effingham Illinois, #1498488 (June 17, 1924) it has three jaws that all open/close at the same time. My pictures show both sides, open and closed. The two sides seem identical, lowering cost to make. This one has no markings. Works smoothly.

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Another very cool project. Don't get dirty going down the rabbit hole.

 

[Eric Brown]

Another very cool project. Don't get dirty going down the rabbit hole.

Way too late for that. Now that I'm retired I'm cleaning up and selling what I have.

 

[Eric Brown]

Here are a couple of buttonhole pliers. Top one is a Wiss, the bottom one is simply marked DRGM (Germany). Both seem well constructed, but the adjustments are different. Also shown are Heaton pliers for attaching the Heaton button. There were a handful of different patents for this type of plier, this one is the 1880 model. Strange, but have not found buttons for these pliers.

 

[Eric Brown]

Bernard parallel jaw plies for leather belting used on machinery. Looks like it cuts a 1/2" belt and then punches a hole in the end for splicing. This one is model 119-6. Also shown is a bronze pliers that seem similar to the Bernard but oddly it cuts a 1/4" slot lengthwise about 3/8" long. It also looks like it can crimp. Only marking is Pat Pend.

 

[d42jeep]

I cleaned up these pliers I found on Saturday. No indication of manufacturer, just a part number, HR-1107. I imagine that someone will recognize the handle pattern.
-Don

Sometimes I stumble on an answer to my own question. I was going through my box of offshore or missing COO tools sold by Sears and spotted a familiar handle pattern on these Companion brand 3072 Japan marked water pump pliers.

-Don

 

[Eric Brown]

Not sure about these. Marked "CCS Co". Have not seen another pair like them. They use a cam to close the jaws, giving them great power. The jaws are smooth and are 1/2" wide and 1/2" deep. When "closed", the jaws are still open and parallel, with about a .04" gap. So, were they used to crimp something or perhaps to pull sheet metal? Bend a tab?

 

[Outlawmws]

Maybe for pulling leather or upholstery?

 

[RTM]

Not sure about these. Marked "CCS Co". Have not seen another pair like them. They use a cam to close the jaws, giving them great power. The jaws are smooth and are 1/2" wide and 1/2" deep. When "closed", the jaws are still open and parallel, with about a .04" gap. So, were they used to crimp something or perhaps to pull sheet metal? Bend a tab?

Interesting, the internet reports two sizes, or someone can’t measure. At least one eBay listings at 5”, but Great Plains has them listed at 7”, item 115, and one other w a tape measure in pic is close.

 

[Eric Brown]

Interesting, the internet reports two sizes, or someone can’t measure. At least one eBay listings at 5”, but Great Plains has them listed at 7”, item 115, and one other w a tape measure in pic is close.

Thanks. Mine is a little different in that it doesn't have the extra eye on the handle. I looked closely and it doesn't look like it was cut off. One of them on E-Bay does look larger and has a number 2 on the side.

 

[Eric Brown]

Utica "Made to Order" no 269. Not sure if these cut, crimped, or maybe both. They look like a tool that was used in an industrial setting. Very smooth action.

 

[Eric Brown]

Another unusual pair of locking pliers. These are unmarked. Did not see in the Cope American Wrench Makers book or on this plier's thread.
Any thoughts?

 

[RTM]

Utica "Made to Order" no 269. Not sure if these cut, crimped, or maybe both. They look like a tool that was used in an industrial setting. Very smooth action.

Love that they say "Made to Order", no flipping thru catalogs trying to find them.

 

[Eric Brown]

Love that they say "Made to Order", no flipping thru catalogs trying to find them.

Just did a E-Bay search and found another pair similar. They have the same model number of 269 B but say "Custom made". They also have a different end, looking more like short needle nose. So probably the 269 was a basic starting point. I am trying to contact Utica, but don't have high hopes of a response. Most companies are concerned with new sales and not history.

 

[ararat]

Just did a E-Bay search and found another pair similar. They have the same model number of 269 B but say "Custom made". They also have a different end, looking more like short needle nose. So probably the 269 was a basic starting point. I am trying to contact Utica, but don't have high hopes of a response. Most companies are concerned with new sales and not history.

this site is calling them watchmakers pliers

 

[Eric Brown]

this site is calling them watchmakers pliers

I have found several that say that they are watchmaker tools but also found them described as typewriter pliers.

 

[ararat]

Maybe for pulling leather or upholstery?

Looks like it

 

[RTM]

When "closed", the jaws are still open and parallel, with about a .04" gap. So, were they used to crimp something or perhaps to pull sheet metal? Bend a tab?

Coming back to these, wondering about other pulling pliers like linesman for fish tapes, or for pulling the metal or plastic banding tape. 0.04 seems pretty thin, and don't have any linesman's here to check anyways


Also, what about holding a feeler gauge for inserting somewhere?

If you put a piece of a beverage of choice container in the jaws and squeeze, what happens. If smaller than the jaws it holds, if larger, I'm assuming no cutting or cramping too, but just thinking will my process is warming up here.