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[CRSINMICH]

Leonard & Ichabod Jewett White were brothers and fine edge tool makers. This is from one of their catalogs and while their coopers' shave isn't identical to Hynson's it is very similar.

 

[crguy]

Leonard & Ichabod Jewett White were brothers and fine edge tool makers. This is from one of their catalogs and while their coopers' shave isn't identical to Hynson's it is very similar.

Other companies also made shaves with wood handles. Barton and Cincinnati come to mind for starters.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Other companies also made shaves with wood handles. Barton and Cincinnati come to mind for starters.

I should have reposted the entire Hynson's shave snippet that RTM originally posted. Here's the other half. It mentioned DR Barton as well as L&IJ White both of whom made prized edge tools.

 

[Jim C.]

My Stanley Bedrock type 6 collection. Every model. OK, the 605-1/4 is not a type 6 since the 1/4 didn't exist in that era, and the 602 is a type 7 but I tried.

I didn’t want you to think your Bedrock collection went unnoticed. Nice job putting that set together. Are they all smooth sole? Do you use them?

Jim C.

 

[kenc184]

I didn’t want you to think your Bedrock collection went unnoticed. Nice job putting that set together. Are they all smooth sole? Do you use them?

Jim C.

Ha Ha, Thanks Jim. No, they are a mixture of corrugated and smooth soled. My interested moved on to other things, so I never ended up replacing the 602 Type 7 with a type 6, nor did I ever end up going all smooth or all corrugated. I imagine there's someone out there with a full set of both smooth and corrugated?
Just finished selling off my Bailey type 17 collection btw. It's time to downsize, I have too much cr@p.

 

[Jim C.]

Are you selling any of the Bedrocks?

 

[txlonghorn1989]

13 days out from my 2nd vaccine shot I saw an estate sale nearby worth hitting. Picked up the Stanley No 5 type 11. Appears to have a hardwood tote and a more modern replacement iron but otherwise looks original. Also, picked up two makers I didn't have in the shop until now. Miller Falls No. 85 rabbet plane. Looks to be missing the fence and the depth stop. Excited to add MF as I hear nothing but good stuff from people who use them. Not sure how to date it. The iron looks to be in great shape beyond the surface rust and some light pitting. Just noticed there's a 32nd size nick dead center on the iron. It say "Solid Tool Steel Miller Falls Made in USA" top face of the iron. Hopefully, I can find a fence and depth stop. The other new to me maker find was a Jas Swan Co USA 5/8" chisel. A fun day. Will get to see and hold the 20 mo old grandson this weekend which will be a far better day! Thanks for any insight on dating the Miller Falls plane and the Jas Swan chisel.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

LOL, Nobody that knows anything about planes wants one on the property.

So they are not very good planes? Surprising as I generally think of good tools when I think Pexto. ???

 

[RTM]

Miller Falls No. 85 rabbet plane. Looks to be missing the fence and the depth stop. Excited to add MF as I hear nothing but good stuff from people who use them. Not sure how to date it. .

Try here for a gross age. Most of the plane type studies are only for Bench Planes.

http://www.oldtoolheaven.com/blok/blok03.htm


Might be able to decipher Swan from here.

https://archive.org/details/internationaltoolcataloglibrary?query=Swan&sin=&sort=-date

This guy was trying, need to track the second link, he mived servers, but I gotta make dinner

https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/173318/thread/

This thread is slightly out of order. Mr Welch is quite into research those from his corner of the world.

https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/143879/thread/#143879

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Try here for a gross age. Most of the plane type studies are only for Bench Planes.

http://www.oldtoolheaven.com/blok/blok03.htm


Might be able to decipher Swan from here.

https://archive.org/details/internationaltoolcataloglibrary?query=Swan&sin=&sort=-date

This guy was trying, need to track the second link, he mived servers, but I gotta make dinner

https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/173318/thread/

Thanks RTM. No new news on the first MF link. I'd found a tiny bit more info here...

http://www.millersfallsplanes.com/millers-falls-number-85-rabbet-filletster-plane/

The 3rd Swan link was interesting. I'd think the logos with USA in them are going to be most recent. May have to try to find some of their catalogs from 40s-70s. Although I didn't find anything like any of the logos in the latest catalog in the 2nd link you provided. Hard to view and read for the old eyes and addled brain.

I MUCH appreciate your help and efforts! In the end, the age doesn't change anything but it adds to the enjoyment when you know you're using a tool that may be 100 or more years old.

 

[Old Radar]

A big one that got away!

I was 23 on the list this morning having called too late last night for the Estate Sale owner to pencil me in while she was still at the site.

Her company usually has a good feel for the worth of special tools so I wasn't too worried, but when I got in and asked her where it was she said it went first thing. I then asked her what she had it marked for and she said "Way too low." One of her staff was supposed to tag it for $125 but apparently it got a $45 tag instead.

She honored it and out the door it went.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

RTM

This site...

https://www.davistownmuseum.org/bioSwan.html

has some photo scans they say were taken in "the 1911 James Swan company catalog of "Premium Mechanics' Tools."". In these pics I see a clearer and fresher stamp of the one on my 5/8". However, looking at the 1911 Swan catalog of "Premium Mechanics Tools" posted on Internet Archive shows a catalog with drawings of chisels NOT photos. I did verify inside the 1911 catalog on IA that it IS dated 1911. Not sure I trust those scans from Davis Town Museum.

The 1951 catalog on IA also shows drawings not photos and the logos on those chisels are not like my chisel with "JAS SWAN CO USA". Interesting. I did find some very nice looking "THE JAMES SWAN CO" wooden handle screwdrivers! The #7565 with Swanloid handles! And the #7503 with an interesting handle. Sorry. This is what happens when I see something shiny!

Have to find more Swan catalog examples. And some of the Swan screwdrivers with Swanloid handles!!!

 

[Hammer_1]

Those look fantastic!

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Someone got a great deal on that No 45 OR. Shame you missed out!

 

[RTM]

The Davistown site has never impressed me with their thoroughness of research on things. I think the Lugzonian is miles ahead, going back to the sources, and using real research. .

I saw their pictures when I was looking for Swan references, and knew they weren’t catalog images, since I’d had that catalog open 2 minutes prior.

I’ve got the 1920 catalog on the shelf, if you want to try to close the gap between 1911 and 1951, holler if I can look something up for you

 

[txlonghorn1989]

The Davistown site has never impressed me with their thoroughness of research on things. I think the Lugzonian is miles ahead, going back to the sources, and using real research. .

I saw their pictures when I was looking for Swan references, and knew they weren’t catalog images, since I’d had that catalog open 2 minutes prior.

I’ve got the 1920 catalog on the shelf, if you want to try to close the gap between 1911 and 1951, holler if I can look something up for you

I'd be interested to know just in general if the logo(s) they are showing in that 1920 catalog for their socket chisels match mine with "JAS SWAN CO USA".

 

[RTM]

Quick glance says no. The images on the socket chisels show a few different logos, one with a swan to the right of three lines of text, one with it in an oval of text, one with a curved top and flat bottom text. I’ll toss some images here later today.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Quick glance says no. The images on the socket chisels show a few different logos, one with a swan to the right of three lines of text, one with it in an oval of text, one with a curved top and flat bottom text. I’ll toss some images here later today.

Those sound like the same images I've seen in the other catalogs.

 

[crguy]

So they are not very good planes? Surprising as I generally think of good tools when I think Pexto. ???

Pexto, or any other plane with a stamped steel frog, are considered to be at the very bottom of the list as far as quality goes.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Pexto, or any other plane with a stamped steel frog, are considered to be at the very bottom of the list as far as quality goes.

I didn't know their planes had a stamped steel frog. That's all I need to hear to know they're worthless. Thanks!

 

[RTM]

http://www.millersfallsplanes.com/millers-falls-number-85-rabbet-filletster-plane/

Digging into the ITCL, it looks like your plane was made somewhere between 1949 and 1971, if the illustrations in the catalog are used as a guide. Since even in the 1938 catalog, the lever adjuster and the grid on the grip are both present, it looks like the Made in USA is our driver. In the 1949 its not present, in the 1961, it is. And I can't find a 1971 to see if it changed again.

Bummer, it looks like your fence arm screw is broken off flush with the body. The good news, I think MF used a standard sized thread there, unlike Stanley.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Digging into the ITCL, it looks like your plane was made somewhere between 1949 and 1971, if the illustrations in the catalog are used as a guide. Since even in the 1938 catalog, the lever adjuster and the grid on the grip are both present, it looks like the Made in USA is our driver. In the 1949 its not present, in the 1961, it is. And I can't find a 1971 to see if it changed again.

Bummer, it looks like your fence arm screw is broken off flush with the body. The good news, I think MF used a standard sized thread there, unlike Stanley.

Thanks RTM on that date period. That was dirt in there. Probably a dirt dauber. I meant to search the big auction site for a fence, fence arm & screw plus whatever parts make up the depth stop but didn't get around to it yet.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Had the opportunity to pick a small collection of old hand planes and other various tools yesterday. The seller is a general contractor in his 70s who just picked these tools up as he came across them over his career. Decided he wants to downsize a bit. Lucky me. :0) I found some really nice keepers. Keen Kutter K7 jointer plane, Stanley 45 combo plane, Stanley No 0 & No 104 Sweetheart era cherry wood levels, 5 boxes of Stanley combo plane cutters plus one empty box, an early Stanley No 79 side rabbet plane (minus the fence), Stanley No 5-½ plane (Type 11, later lever cap), Stanley Bedrock 605-½ (Type 3), early Stanley No 71 router plane (Type 4), Stanley No 93 1" rabbet plane, Sargent 8" bevel gauge w/ Pat Oct 29 07, Bedrock 603 (Type 6), Bailey No 3 (Type 9), Bailey No 4 (Type 9), Miller Falls No 07B skew plane, Stanley No 64 spokeshave and an unknown model Bailey spokeshave (with a 1858 date?). Both spokeshaves have Sweetheart irons. In the box are parts for the combo plane plus a Stanley Rule & Level Co handbook for their combination planes (1975 reprint), box of Stanley 1-5/8" block plane irons a spare 1-3/8" block plane iron. The seller threw in free a brass No 1 Odd Jobs tool (think it's a remake, Garrett Wade?) and the Miller Falls No 07 skew plane. Not a bad day. Both of the Bedrock planes and the No 4 have been broken down and the rusty parts are soaking in Evaporust.

This is my first Keen Kutter tool. It appears these may have been made by Stanley based on their Bedrock line of planes. Can someone verify that? Also, I'm wondering if the unmarked lever cap would be original or if there was a Keen Kutter marked cap?

Any details on the Bailey spokeshave would be appreciated. I can definitely make out "58" on the underside of the left handle and "Bailey" on the underside of the right handle. There also appears to be more stampings but I cannot read them. Sorry I don't have individual pics of the spokeshaves and the irons are in Evaporust at the moment.

In the last two weeks I've now picked up my first two Miller Falls planes. Excited to have a skew plane. Any info on this skew plane would be appreciate as well. It appears to be missing a screw that keep the side in place.

I suspect the combination plane cutters maybe for a No 55 but I need to investigate. Okay, looks like almost complete boxes 1, 2 and 4 for a No 55. I guess the empty box I bought would have been box # for a No 55. Not sure about the two narrower boxes but they seem to have the same slot as the No 55 cutters. Anyone recognize these two boxes of cutters? Maybe some optional cutters that Stanley sold?

Thanks!

 

[RTM]

I think the K series of planes are the equal of Bedrocks, not the KK. These guys from the history books verify that.

https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/53555/thread/

The missing screw from the MF plane should be much easier than the equivalent from a Stanley, as MF was much better about standard thread sizes.

Randy's page will give you all the MF plane info you can handle. The 07 is a rabbet / rebate, the equivalent of the Stanley 140.

http://www.oldtoolheaven.com/bench/bench.htm

http://www.oldtoolheaven.com/blok/blok01.htm

I'll haul out The Spokeshave Book later, but 58 should be a fairly normal one.

I have a non-GW Odd Jobs remake, by SMTC, from the late 1990s (Simpson Machine Tool Co.). Find a manual here
https://archive.org/details/StanleysOddJobs1900

45 manual here
https://archive.org/details/stanleyplaneno45

55 manual here (supposedly "some of the fancy blades won't hit in a 45, but the others are interchangeable")
https://archive.org/details/stanley55planeandhowtouseit1914

More later on the spokeshaves

 

[crguy]

Had the opportunity to pick a small collection of old hand planes and other various tools yesterday. The seller is a general contractor in his 70s who just picked these tools up as he came across them over his career. Decided he wants to downsize a bit. Lucky me. :0) I found some really nice keepers. Keen Kutter K7 jointer plane, Stanley 45 combo plane, Stanley No 0 & No 104 Sweetheart era cherry wood levels, 5 boxes of Stanley combo plane cutters plus one empty box, an early Stanley No 79 side rabbet plane (minus the fence), Stanley No 5-½ plane (Type 11, later lever cap), Stanley Bedrock 605-½ (Type 3), early Stanley No 71 router plane (Type 4), Stanley No 93 1" rabbet plane, Sargent 8" bevel gauge w/ Pat Oct 29 07, Bedrock 603 (Type 6), Bailey No 3 (Type 9), Bailey No 4 (Type 9), Miller Falls No 07B skew plane, Stanley No 64 spokeshave and an unknown model Bailey spokeshave (with a 1858 date?). Both spokeshaves have Sweetheart irons. In the box are parts for the combo plane plus a Stanley Rule & Level Co handbook for their combination planes (1975 reprint), box of Stanley 1-5/8" block plane irons a spare 1-3/8" block plane iron. The seller threw in free a brass No 1 Odd Jobs tool (think it's a remake, Garrett Wade?) and the Miller Falls No 07 skew plane. Not a bad day. Both of the Bedrock planes and the No 4 have been broken down and the rusty parts are soaking in Evaporust.

This is my first Keen Kutter tool. It appears these may have been made by Stanley based on their Bedrock line of planes. Can someone verify that? Also, I'm wondering if the unmarked lever cap would be original or if there was a Keen Kutter marked cap?

Any details on the Bailey spokeshave would be appreciated. I can definitely make out "58" on the underside of the left handle and "Bailey" on the underside of the right handle. There also appears to be more stampings but I cannot read them. Sorry I don't have individual pics of the spokeshaves and the irons are in Evaporust at the moment.

In the last two weeks I've now picked up my first two Miller Falls planes. Excited to have a skew plane. Any info on this skew plane would be appreciate as well. It appears to be missing a screw that keep the side in place.

I suspect the combination plane cutters maybe for a No 55 but I need to investigate. Okay, looks like almost complete boxes 1, 2 and 4 for a No 55. I guess the empty box I bought would have been box # for a No 55. Not sure about the two narrower boxes but they seem to have the same slot as the No 55 cutters. Anyone recognize these two boxes of cutters? Maybe some optional cutters that Stanley sold?

Thanks!

If you're looking to preserve collectible value, I don't recommend Evaporust. It leaves an unnatural gray look to the metal.

 

[RTM]

Spokeshaves, from the Spokeshave Book by Tom Lamond

The top one, guessing the Stanley 64, lot of catalog cuts in the ITCL.

The bottom looks like a Bailey #1, with a 1858 patent date, but the later version (whatever that means). Should be similar to a Stanley 51, they just added 50 to his model numbers after the acquisition.

Bailey was in many companies over the years 1855 - 1905 (Leonard Bailey will be LB or just B in the following.) moved a lot between RI, MA CT. Supposedly no changes in the catalog cuts for over 40 years. (No tie to the Bailey Tool Co or Selden A Bailey, or Joseph R Bailey of Woonsocket RI. Even those two are not related to each other. very different lever caps, definitely not yours)

LB 1860 - 63
LB & Co 1864 - 65
LB 1866 - 70
B, Woods & Co 1867 - 68
B, Chany & Co 1868 - 69
LB 1870 - 75 (affiliated w Stanley R & L Co
L. Bailey & Co 1876 - 78
B Tool Co 1878 - 79
L. Bailey & Co 1879 - 85 (supposedly no WW tools after sale to Stanley in 1884





https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/spokeshave-book-thomas-lamond-1891666298

 

[txlonghorn1989]

If you're looking to preserve collectible value, I don't recommend Evaporust. It leaves an unnatural gray look to the metal.

Rust and metal don't go together well. My interest in the tools is as users.
Thanks for the heads up though.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

RTM The Odd Jobs tools does have STMC on it so that's who the maker was.

The MF 07 is actually stamped 07B on the side. Does that help with a made after date?

Here's a pic I didn't post of the box contents. I forgot that there still 3 parts I'm curious about...the screwdriver, the black japanned fence and the little cutter right of the fence. Do any of these look familiar?

And thanks for the links and all the helpful info!

 

[d42jeep]

Here are a couple of Wards planes I picked up recently. I guess the Wards Master one is much more valuable due to its nice layer of rust.
-Don

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Here are a couple of Wards planes I picked up recently. I guess the Wards Master one is much more valuable due to its nice layer of rust.
-Don

Haha! I wonder who made planes for Wards. Do you know Don?

 

[d42jeep]

I don’t have any idea. I only picked them up due to the Wards connection, plus they were extremely inexpensive. Planes really aren’t my thing although I have several.
-Don

 

[RTM]

The MF 07 is actually stamped 07B on the side. Does that help with a made after date?

Here's a pic I didn't post of the box contents. I forgot that there still 3 parts I'm curious about...the screwdriver, the black japanned fence and the little cutter right of the fence. Do any of these look familiar?

!

Let me look harder on the 07b, but most probably later

The fence belongs to a rabbet / rebate like a Stanley 78. There may be a number on it. The shaft should have a weird pitch, like 12-20 if it’s a Stanley. If not a
Odd, might fit another brand.

The blade goes on a wooden molding plane, possibly a small round.

Lugz has IDd that screwdriver I think.

 

[RTM]

Haha! I wonder who made planes for Wards. Do you know Don?

You might be able to look at my Craftsman Connection to see some characteristics of Sargent and Millers Falls, see if you see anything.

https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Craftsman-Connection/


Although, I want to think the Wards always looked cheaper than Craftsman, so maybe Pexto ( no facts, only a guess), or maybe they were Stanley Defiance Line, or the cheaper Millers Falls line (900?)

 

[RTM]

That 07b is post 1956, when they put the knob on with a visible screw, per old tool heaven.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

That 07b is post 1956, when they put the knob on with a visible screw, per old tool heaven.

That's right. NOW I recall reading that way back yesterday! The many joys of getting old. Thanks!

 

[RTM]

Just here to jog people’s memory, cuz that’s all the exercise I get the days.

 

[crguy]

RTM

the little cutter right of the fence.

That small cutter appears to be a "special" fluting cutter for a Stanley 45. The hole in the top engages the pin in the adjuster.

 

[RTM]

45 manual here
https://archive.org/details/stanleyplaneno45

That small cutter appears to be a "special" fluting cutter for a Stanley 45. The hole in the top engages the pin in the adjuster.

Geez, and it was even showing on the manual page I quoted. I didn't even see the hole in the top. Nice work.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

That small cutter appears to be a "special" fluting cutter for a Stanley 45. The hole in the top engages the pin in the adjuster.

Thanks crguy! I have another cutter shaped similarly but with the notch which I saw in Stanley 45 reprint I got. Made me think that little cutter might just be part of the 45 cutters.

 

[Joe Huld]

I just got plane lucky this weekend. Picked up these two at different places. The bench plane is a Standard Rule #4 size, Standard Rule made planes using Solon Rusts 1883 patent until bought by Stanley about 1891. The compass plane is a Stanley 113, very late, probably WWII vintage.