Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[Oldtuleguy]

Wow. That is confusing. If both were made by sk what was the point?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Consolidation was finalized 1/1/1938. It was begun in August of 1937.

Thanks for the qualification, Todd. Making the factory/facility designation even less likely.

 

[Reversepolarity]

Found this motor at the local flea market today. The guy let me plug it in. Runs like new. Quiet, and zero vibration. For $20 I couldn’t let it stay there.
Any suggestions on how to restore the old metal tag?








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[twertsy]

Wow. That is confusing. If both were made by sk what was the point?

Again, I theorize the codes represented individual contracts and not manufacturers. Why 2 contracts? I can't explain that one.........

 

[LesserSon]

Paid $2 for this utterly exhausted handsaw. I really think the nickel-plated brass screws (with steel nuts) are the only parts of any value. I may attempt to derust the blade, but I have very low expectations. The handle has multiple splits as it is, and I may have to destroy what’s left to get three of the nuts off.

 

[Outlawmws]

LS, it'l buff out!

Seriously, work carefully then glue, and give it an oil bath? (need an oil resistant glue...)

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Again, I theorize the codes represented individual contracts and not manufacturers. Why 2 contracts? I can't explain that one.........

That's as good an explanation as any. They vary in appearance as well so maybe that is a clue.

 

[Outlawmws]

I'm not sure the contracts holds water as the -V- and =V= series went for many many years each - surely for many contracts... The Gx series on the other hand.... but those were different makers IIR?

 

[Provincial]

I picked up a couple of Long-C wrenches Friday. A 1031 DOE 25/32x7/8 that has a "N" forged in the shank near the Craftsman name. It appears to have been originally just plain steel finish. I have another 1031 that has "Chrome Vanadium" forged into it, and is chrome plated.

There was also a No. 3 tappet wrench, 5/8x11/16. It has "CI" in a stamped in the shank.

In the lot was a pair of vise-grips with the geometric trademark. They are made differently from the Petersen version, and don't lock when completely closed. I wonder when they were made?

 

[d42jeep]

I had occasion yesterday to take pictures of my BE and Circle H tools yesterday. All except the speeder are long C.
-Don

 

[WarrenJ]

The 3 on left are Long "C'' I recently picked up. First one's I have found in the wild.

 

[LesserSon]

LS, it'l buff out!

Seriously, work carefully then glue, and give it an oil bath? (need an oil resistant glue...)

I elected to pursue the opposite course. The handle was spongy with rot, but while the blade was deeply rusted and pitted, I was too curious about the etch to abandon it. Wet sanding brought it up enough to make out, though the commentary in italics to the right is pretty faint. I can make out the words “Unconditional Guarantee” on the second line.

 

[LesserSon]

Weekend finds. The sockets are Bonney - I just didn’t crop them out.
The second pic shows unfinished (gullets haven’t been ground to size) DOEs. The seller was asking $20 and I had other uses for my money, so he got to keep them. He did give me permission to take the pic, though.

 

[Jazz1]

I only have one Long C tool. Got 3/8” spinner at Restore today

 

[paulm12]

got this a few weeks ago, clean blade, boring handle
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[LesserSon]

Paulm12,
If the medallion is original, that miter box saw looks to have been made by Disston. The Disstonian Institute website describes the once-graceful backsaw handles as having become “plain and somewhat ugly” by the late 1940s.

 

[d42jeep]

With the addition of two pairs of tappet wrenches I found at a garage sale this morning, I’m just missing one of the # fours.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Then you can start in on plated and un-plated?

 

[d42jeep]

If any flatheads come along needing a valve adjustment, I’m all set.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

I use those fairly often with Jam nuts...

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Found this motor at the local flea market today. The guy let me plug it in. Runs like new. Quiet, and zero vibration. For $20 I couldn’t let it stay there.
Any suggestions on how to restore the old metal tag?

That thing looks in pretty good shape. I think I'd stick to soap and water with a light touch for that tag. I've learned the hard way paint comes off those things pretty easy. Fantastic motor. I recently purchase a drill press powered by the reversible motor. Looking forward to going to pick it up.

 

[paulm12]

Paulm12,
If the medallion is original, that miter box saw looks to have been made by Disston. The Disstonian Institute website describes the once-graceful backsaw handles as having become “plain and somewhat ugly” by the late 1940s.

Thanks LS. Really the handle is not too bad, compared to more modern ones. Just not as elegant as the early 1900s

Thanks

 

[bmwrd0]

Found this motor at the local flea market today. The guy let me plug it in. Runs like new. Quiet, and zero vibration. For $20 I couldn’t let it stay there.
Any suggestions on how to restore the old metal tag?








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I have that same motor powering my long C lathe. Worked great until the cap started going. But I have a plane for that. Anyway, that tag looks good. I would just hit it with soap and then some light oil. You can knock the dent out from the inside if you decide to take it apart.

 

[Rileysan]

Again, I theorize the codes represented individual contracts and not manufacturers. Why 2 contracts? I can't explain that one.........

I don't understand why no one thinks in terms of manufacturing location. These pre-date the Interstate Highway System so the cost of shipping out West must have been very expensive. And while I have no doubt Sears had big contracts with transportation companies, you could still probably save money by having contracts with two manufacturers (or one manufacturer with multiple manufacturing plants).

Sears obviously did this with the Canadian market where they contracted with Beach to make tool boxes and branded English-made tools (Record vises and clamps, for one) with their own logo to save on import/export duties.

One clear example of this in the United States is the 1951-54 "Deluxe Roller Cabinet" 5-drawer rolling cabinet. Examples have been posted to our own forum of this cab made by both Advertising Metal Display, Co (Chicago, Ill) and Pressteel (Southern California). It makes perfect sense to have tools made in more than one location to save on costs.

Brian

 

[Outlawmws]

Contracts may have come into the picture in the later post -v- =v= =vv= years (G a GG and what not) for wenches and the like, but by contract in the decades earlier? The first tow V series and literally several decades, I cannot imagine /sear not going through contract negotiations and renegotiation in those decades.

Same deal for location really. These things went EVERYWHERE, and shipping was not a significant part of the deal. (gas at 10c a gallon?)

Same catalog everywhere in the lower 48. The Canadian deals were for beating tariffs and outright blocks on some goods to protect national industry.

I don't see any supporting data...

Brian I don't recall any of the 5 drawers units from Pressteel coming from AMD Co.? I've also not seen any explicit 3 digit Mfg numbers on boxes?

 

[Smokeshow69]

I don't understand why no one thinks in terms of manufacturing location. These pre-date the Interstate Highway System so the cost of shipping out West must have been very expensive. And while I have no doubt Sears had big contracts with transportation companies, you could still probably save money by having contracts with two manufacturers (or one manufacturer with multiple manufacturing plants).

Sears obviously did this with the Canadian market where they contracted with Beach to make tool boxes and branded English-made tools (Record vises and clamps, for one) with their own logo to save on import/export duties.

One clear example of this in the United States is the 1952-54 "Deluxe Roller Cabinet" 5-drawer rolling cabinet. Examples have been posted to our own forum of this cab made by both Advertising Metal Display, Co (Chicago, Ill) and Pressteel (Southern California). It makes perfect sense to have tools made in more than one location to save on costs.

Brian

Fantastic point! I can’t believe why no one has brought this up before!


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[Provincial]

At the local Flea Market today, I found a Plomb hinge handle with interesting markings. It is 9-1/2" long, so it should be a #5466, but that number appears nowhere on it. It should have a hole for a 1/2" diameter pin handle, but the hole is 3/8" diameter. The markings are " DMH vPLOMBv, LOS ANGELES 0E, PATENT NO. 1380643" The 0E should be a date code of May, 1940. I have no idea what DMH means.

Does anyone have any ideas on these markings?

 

[Provincial]

Oops! Posted in wrong place. I'll put it where it belongs. Ignore this one.

 

[Provincial]

I found a couple of Long-C wrenches Friday at a Senior Center Rummage Sale. #2 Tappet DOE 1/2x9/16
1033C DOE 15/16x1"

 

[Rileysan]

Contracts may have come into the picture in the later post -v- =v= =vv= years (G a GG and what not) for wenches and the like, but by contract in the decades earlier? The first tow V series and literally several decades, I cannot imagine /sear not going through contract negotiations and renegotiation in those decades.

Same deal for location really. These things went EVERYWHERE, and shipping was not a significant part of the deal. (gas at 10c a gallon?)

Same catalog everywhere in the lower 48. The Canadian deals were for beating tariffs and outright blocks on some goods to protect national industry.

I don't see any supporting data...

Brian I don't recall any of the 5 drawers units from Pressteel coming from AMD Co.? I've also not seen any explicit 3 digit Mfg numbers on boxes?

I'm having trouble finding the photo but there was an AMD made 5 drawer Deluxe Roller Cabinet found by a member of the FB Craftsman Tool collector group last year AND I'm quite certain I talked him into posting about it here in its own thread.

As for transportation costs being cheap - I'm no historian but I'm quite certain that during the 1930s there was a depression going on, followed by a World War, where gas & heating oil were rationed. That leaves about 7 years of production where shipping costs may have been negligible.

Sears is a massive corporation that sold and shipped an unimaginable amount of goods. Do you really believe they were content to rely on one manufacturer, in one location, to supply every store in the country?!? It doesn't make good business sense.

 

[Rileysan]

It took over and hour of searching through thousands of posts on the Craftsman tool collector's FB group but I found what I was looking for: AMD-made Craftsman 5 drawer Deluxe Roller Cabinet.

Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2014991771866165&set=g.314339225358433&type=1&ifg=1

-Brian

 

[Oldtuleguy]

With the addition of two pairs of tappet wrenches I found at a garage sale this morning, I’m just missing one of the # fours.
-Don

Nice wrenches don. I have managed to collect one set of craftsman vanadium tappets. Only includes 1 2 and 3s.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks to raider hillbilly for a nice c26 socket. I have been piecing this set together for a while now.

 

[AngryBeaver]

 

[Macduf]

Ok this will make the fifth Dremel but I had to get it on a second day half price sale.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Nice wrenches don. I have managed to collect one set of craftsman vanadium tappets. Only includes 1 2 and 3s.

I love that metal rack they sold the sets in!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Ok this will make the fifth Dremel but I had to get it on a second day half price sale.

Those are hard to pass up. I'm at a lowly 2 and counting. A remarkable number of them pop up around me and are always dirt cheap. Amazing at how many of those survived with all or most of the small accessories intact.

 

[Macduf]

Just need to fix cord, and clean it. Manual date it at 1939

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Added a 3/8 drive speed handle to the amber family. I believe my last missing piece is the 1/2 drive ratchet with the T-bar directional lever.

 

[drivesitfar]

JoCo: I've never seen one of those Amber handled Craftsman Long C tools in person. they look like wood handles, but i'm guessing it's plastic? do they have an odor like some of the other old plastic handled tools do?

ALL: Craftsman long C 105 vise. It was made by Reed vise company and it's 5 inch wide jaws and it weighs about 75 pounds. the big Reed 4c behind it weighs 178 pounds just so you know the Long C vise isn't a little guy.