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Looks good.Christmas!
Wera 136600 Limited Edition Christmas Advent Calendar 2019.
I like all the stubby stuff.
I assume KC Tool will have that over here soon.
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I like all the stubby stuff.
I assume KC Tool will have that over here soon.
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AviationTech
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Yeah I noticed that to. I liked the blue better personally. I picked up this red one. Apparently Japan gets different colors than everyone else, not sure why
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garfieldzzz
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Red is also neat, I prefere the blue too.
Dave455
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I think the old colours were silver for the conventional hammers and blue for the dead blow. I must admit I much prefer the red!
Yes, the PB Swiss dead blow hammers do feel different. But you have to remember that a British made Thorex hammer will do 98% of what a PB Swiss will do, for about 20% of the cost, and they offer a far greater range.
Personally, for heavy thumping I always prefer the Thorex hammers. Copper or nylon faced as appropriate, dead blow if you must, but there isn't a lot of rebound if you hit something with a three pound copper hammer!
The only time I prefer the PB is if I'm doing something where I need a smaller hammer, such as hitting a punch. The PB seems to be the tool for the job here, and pretty much my 'go to' for using with stamps or wad punches!
Kasal
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1. The cutest pliers I ever did see.
2. Why, only today after the few years that I've been using THE Knipex World-Famous pliers wrench, do I find out they make an offset handle?
This, my friends, is a great reason to have within reach the most recent version of catalogue from your favorite tool companies.
2. Why, only today after the few years that I've been using THE Knipex World-Famous pliers wrench, do I find out they make an offset handle?
This, my friends, is a great reason to have within reach the most recent version of catalogue from your favorite tool companies.
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HAHAHA!'My Knipex plier handles aren't bent but...'
Nice pliers and pics. [emoji106]
Every single person I've introduced to these things is converted instantly. I would classify the Knipex pliers wrench a "game changer". I carry the baby 125mm in my pocket at all times now.
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The baby PW is one of those things that you might think is kind of dumb and maybe buy it on a lark if it's on sale or you want to amortize shipping costs on an order...but then once it's actually in your hands you find you're using it all the time because it's such a useful little thing to have around.
New compound leverage cutters from Orbis. Does anyone know who actually makes these? I've seen the same style sold by Gedore and Hazet. It would seem most likely to me that they're either made by Orbis and licensed to Gedore and Hazet, or made by some other small specialty German tool maker and licensed out to all of them.
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Glad you said that, because that was exactly my first thought when I opened them, just based on the shape and feel of the handles. I didn't realize Maun had a pair that looked exactly like these though, thanks for the link.
The main reason I figured these weren't from Maun is because all the Maun pliers I've seen are made in England while the Orbis are made in Germany. I'm wondering if maybe Maun made then in England, and then Orbis dipped the handles in their factory and called it made in Germany.
Here are the Orbis cutters next to the Maun compound leverage cutters I have, and both of those along with the Knipex Twin Force, Irwin branded NWS Fantastico side and end cutters, VBW compound leverage end cutters, and Beta compound leverage side cutters. I don't use these much, but I really like comparing the different engineering approaches to increasing leverage for easier cuts.
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I found a couple of Belzer Super Block combination wrenches in a box of tools I bought this weekend. They are interesting in that the sizes are 7/16" and 5/8", meaning they were made for the USA market. They are marked "VANADIUM - EXTRA" "No 1952" (a crown trademark) "GERMANY". The 1952 number is the same on the two different size wrenches, so I assume that was the number for that pattern of combination wrench, rather than a model number relating to size.
Belzer promoted it's tools for having high percentages of Vanadium in the steel. They seem to have targeted the higher end of the quality market.
Research shows that Belzer was bought out and merged into larger tool makers well before Reunification. Post-WWII markings usually indicate "_____ Sector" for early production, "West Germany" after the civilian government reformed, and just "Germany" after Reunification. Probably just marked "Germany" for lack of room on the tool, and the full marking was on the packaging.
I feel that it is kind of special to encounter classic, high-quality German tools in the wild here in rural Oregon.
Belzer promoted it's tools for having high percentages of Vanadium in the steel. They seem to have targeted the higher end of the quality market.
Research shows that Belzer was bought out and merged into larger tool makers well before Reunification. Post-WWII markings usually indicate "_____ Sector" for early production, "West Germany" after the civilian government reformed, and just "Germany" after Reunification. Probably just marked "Germany" for lack of room on the tool, and the full marking was on the packaging.
I feel that it is kind of special to encounter classic, high-quality German tools in the wild here in rural Oregon.
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BattousaiX
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Im still newbie, From what country toptul made? Thanks
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Thanks sir
Very nice. I believe those are Monte's (thread starter) favourite wrenches.
Non of the Toptul tools that I have seen have had a country of origin (coo) marked on the packaging or the tools. As stated their sockets, spanners etc are made in Taiwan but I think they may also rebrand some of the tools. I was looking at their trim/push pin pliers recently and they look to be identical to the Chinese offerings rebranded by many companies. Not sure if they take the design and then make their own in Taiwan or rebrand from China.
Hazet 863 HP 1/4" 90 tooth ratchet.
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Dave455
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I noticed those new Hazet HiPer ratchets. They are on special offer at TBS Aachen if anyone is in the U.K. or Europe and fancies one. They have both the 1/4 drive and the long 1/2 drive.
I would be interested to see what they are like. My only observations are that Hazet already offer a fine tooth ratchet, (not quite as fine I will admit) and that the grips on their existing ratchets are one of the few "comfort" grips that are not so soft that they pick up grease and grit! I hope they haven't messed around with these too much.
Most of the Hazet aficionados I know just use the regular ratchets. They seem to be nice and smooth given the number of teeth, and there is a superb selection available!
I would be interested to see what they are like. My only observations are that Hazet already offer a fine tooth ratchet, (not quite as fine I will admit) and that the grips on their existing ratchets are one of the few "comfort" grips that are not so soft that they pick up grease and grit! I hope they haven't messed around with these too much.
Most of the Hazet aficionados I know just use the regular ratchets. They seem to be nice and smooth given the number of teeth, and there is a superb selection available!
Hazet 863 HP 1/4" 90 tooth ratchet.
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Interesting, but they’d need a locking flex with better locking mechanism design than Stahlwille’s to tempt me.
I have Hazet 72 tooth with recessed selector. It's got a great look to it that I find makes it stand out against the crowd of typical round-bar ratchets. It's great for situations where you really can't have the selector accidentally flipped.
But I recently purchased the 916HP (photo attached) and I put it to the test, using it exclusively on a recent Öhlins coilover suspension install. The 90 teeth came in surprisingly handy up in between swaybars and knuckles. The selector switch has a noticeable tactile 'click' when switched, unlike some other really expensive ratchets (SO).
Backdrag is pretty alright, on par with my Snappy and Stahlwille stuff, no surprises there. (nothing touches Gedore in my backdrag department tho)
I keep the Hazet 916HP with me full-time now, and even ordered another one to keep in my main box in case I lose one? (Lol) It''s definitely a gem. I want the long handle now, and the 1/4” version too. And whatever other version they come out with.
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garfieldzzz
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Maybe interesting as mentioned above, the new Hazet 863HP ratchet in real life.
Its a bit loud, pretty stiff, and has a smaller head than a SO. In general I like it, would prefer a all steel handle and a bit a different switch design.
Its a bit loud, pretty stiff, and has a smaller head than a SO. In general I like it, would prefer a all steel handle and a bit a different switch design.
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Nice to see that the new Hazet 1/4" is compact. Their other fine tooth 1/4" looks pretty chunky.
Noticed digital torque adapters are going for just over £20 on Amazon so gave one a try. Surprisingly easy to use. Covers 10-200Nm which is good enough for everything I will use it for. 10-40Nm is not guaranteed within the ±2% accuracy like the rest of the range. Hoping it will still give me an idea of what 25Nm feels like for plastic filter canisters as I worry that I will damage one.
Looks like I've been torquing my wheels to over 157Nm (should be 140)
Made in Taiwan and China.
Comes with a calibration certificate. Would love to know if these are all identical or if it really does show the individual results for my unit. I'm sure Patty is a very stringent tester.
Noticed digital torque adapters are going for just over £20 on Amazon so gave one a try. Surprisingly easy to use. Covers 10-200Nm which is good enough for everything I will use it for. 10-40Nm is not guaranteed within the ±2% accuracy like the rest of the range. Hoping it will still give me an idea of what 25Nm feels like for plastic filter canisters as I worry that I will damage one.
Looks like I've been torquing my wheels to over 157Nm (should be 140)
Made in Taiwan and China.
Comes with a calibration certificate. Would love to know if these are all identical or if it really does show the individual results for my unit. I'm sure Patty is a very stringent tester.
Dave455
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I have Hazet 72 tooth with recessed selector. It's got a great look to it that I find makes it stand out against the crowd of typical round-bar ratchets. It's great for situations where you really can't have the selector accidentally flipped.
But I recently purchased the 916HP (photo attached) and I put it to the test, using it exclusively on a recent Öhlins coilover suspension install. The 90 teeth came in surprisingly handy up in between swaybars and knuckles. The selector switch has a noticeable tactile 'click' when switched, unlike some other really expensive ratchets (SO).
Backdrag is pretty alright, on par with my Snappy and Stahlwille stuff, no surprises there. (nothing touches Gedore in my backdrag department tho)
I keep the Hazet 916HP with me full-time now, and even ordered another one to keep in my main box in case I lose one? (Lol) It''s definitely a gem. I want the long handle now, and the 1/4” version too. And whatever other version they come out with.
That's useful, thanks! I might have to add one of those.
I already have the fine tooth 8816 3/8 ratchet in my road box, along with the long handle flex head. Both decent tools!
Just lately I have been getting into the Hazet 1/4 drive. It locks together really solidly, and while the finish isn't as glossy as U.S. made tools, you can't seem to damage it in normal use!
Another Hazet vid. 916 HP and the new 916 HP L.
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New spinner handle from Matador with square & hex drive. 'Equally suitable for 6,3mm / 1/4“ bits and sockets.' Interesting design. Looks like you pull the knurled collar back to reveal a square drive.
Possibly does not hold bits as securely as a proper hex drive.
I assume this is not a new design but I haven't seen it before.
Possibly does not hold bits as securely as a proper hex drive.
I assume this is not a new design but I haven't seen it before.
I've been trying different 1/4" sockets and just got a couple from Hazet. I was set on Ko-ken due to the fit and finish but the Hazet sockets also fit with no rattling on the square end. Walls look to be thicker than Stahlwille but the fit on the square end on Stahlwille is all over the place. Deciding whether the extra cost of the Hazet is worth it for the awesome knurling.
Bogdan M.
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Found a good deal on 3 Facom ratchets. They are nice enough.
This Gedore ratchet is still my favorite.
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Love those Ochsenkopf Rotband axes. Are there any other manufacturers that use a Rotband metal collar below the axe head? I've seen some Bison axes and Stihl axes that look very similar.
I have that Gedore ratchet made out of aluminum for light weight, which makes it easier to work overhead. It's got probably the smoothest action and least back drag of any other ratchet I've tried.
Found a good deal on 3 Facom ratchets. They are nice enough.
This Gedore ratchet is still my favorite.
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Dave455
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Yes, I’m a KoKen user too. Unfortunately, while I love their 3/8 and 1/2 inch drive, I find their 1/4 drive a little on the light side. They are still very decent tools, but a lot lighter than the older British stuff we are probably all used to.
I bought a Hazet set on a deal over a year ago to keep on one of my vehicles, it has a mixture of 1/4 and 1/2 drive, and while the 1/2 drive was something I was used to, the 1/4 drive was a pleasant surprise - a really solid lockup between the parts and superb to use!
Since then I’ve been buying the odd part here and there so the collection is building. I use 1/4 drive more and more, and tend to find myself reaching for the Hazet first!
Dave455
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Looking at their logo, it looks as though Oschenkopf are part of the Gedore / Habero / etc group.
I suspect, therefore, that those are basically Habero tools. Habero make mostly hammers and punches , and as far as I can recall introduced the ‘Rotband’. Their tools certainly turn up under other names, Gedore for sure!
In the U.K. we would call that a “maul” or “splitting maul” - described by a friend, when sending his son to search for one, as “the love child of an axe and a sledgehammer!”
garfieldzzz
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Ochsenkopf (Ox head) is part of Gedore. Ochsenkopf is a axe forge and produces forestry equipment. They are also the OEM for some Stihl stuff. Probably the handle protecion is lent from the hammers.
The Ochsenkopf equipment is pretty much standard in Germany beside some Austrian stuff (Müller for example)
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Dave455
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Looks to be good stuff. I can live without the handle protection on an engineers hammer, but it’s really nice to have on an axe or maul!
superautobacs
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You're right that it's not a new design. It's a design concept that was developed by Deen in Japan a couple years ago for their sliding T-handle. It has evolved into a second version (no change in the drive adapter part from my understanding):
I never played around with it, but I'd also assume that a bit won't have that strong of a hold on it.